Merit & new rank requirements - page 258.

suchmoon

legendary

Activity: 3654

Merit: 8909

https://bpip.org

Quote from: mithrim on January 26, 2018, 06:42:26 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 26, 2018, 06:11:36 PM

I disagree that this new system widens the gap between cheaters and honest users. It appears to make it harder for shitposters to rank up. So in the long run quality posters should benefit by having fewer competing cheaters.

Ok, simple question: Can you guarantee that people who (subjectively) deserve merit will get it and can you hinder people from buying/trading merits?
That's what I meant by people who don't exploit vs. cheater. I'd think that there are more people who don't try to exploit than people who cheat but any way you look at it, you punish those who make a few valuable posts every time nobody recognizes them. Those who buy just buy >> gap gets wider.

I can't guaranteed anything. And I don't think anyone can guarantee what you're asking for, on this forum or on any other forum. There are no absolutes here, it's all about probabilities and possibilities. I think this new system restricts some of the shitposting incentives, and I think that's a good thing.

If you have specific scenarios how this can be exploited - please share. Farming and buying isn't really new, it is rampant already.

rhamzter

sr. member

Activity: 420

Merit: 282

Quote from: InvoKing on January 26, 2018, 07:18:27 PM

Quote from: exus on January 26, 2018, 07:11:49 PM

Is it possibile to do something like this? (image)

It is nice to see people thinking about adding additional features to the Merit system. +1 even if i think it isn't a necessary feature since it removes only 1 step (2 clicks)

Edit : sorry Ecua, we typed it at the same time but you was faster

That's good to avoid abusing merit, because if giving merit have no limitation there's a possibility that in the future all merit we gain we're not because our post have good quality. Instead because we have a lot of friends in bitcoin community, that sounds was not good to hear.

Its better if we gain a lot of merit because our post is very knowledgeable to others, it is helpful and interesting. I'm I right?

hashcoinusa

member

Activity: 342

Merit: 10

Founder member who proposed the merit based system must have come with the proposed roadmap. Do we know about it?

InvoKing

legendary

Activity: 2142

Merit: 1065

✋(▀Ĺ̯ ▀-͠ )

Quote from: exus on January 26, 2018, 07:11:49 PM

Is it possibile to do something like this? (image)

It is nice to see people thinking about adding additional features to the Merit system. +1 even if i think it isn't a necessary feature since it removes only 1 step (2 clicks)

Edit : sorry Ecua, we typed it at the same time but you was faster

EcuaMobi

legendary

Activity: 1876

Merit: 1475

Quote from: exus on January 26, 2018, 07:11:49 PM

Is it possibile to do something like this? (image)

+1

Very similar to what I asked.
Making it easier/faster to use would be very helpful.

(Merited for the effort of the idea and the image)

thaayb

full member

Activity: 218

Merit: 104

🥇🥉🎖

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 26, 2018, 07:05:49 PM

I'm sure that's the case for most people: they're here for money.
But, to be fair, this is the most popular bitcoin forum by far. Going to another forum (or worst, creating a new one as suggested by others) is impractical because there would be to few people there. We could say BTT has the monopoly.

(Do not take this as I'm supporting the spammers, I'm just saying what I just posted)

Quote from: thaayb on January 26, 2018, 06:50:55 PM

Quote from: Deena on January 26, 2018, 06:46:41 PM

Quote from: thaayb on January 26, 2018, 06:28:16 PM

You are free to leave and create an own forum to prove you can do better.

Basically nothing has changed, there are no posting restrictions at all, so stop complaining!

If there were an alternative most of us would be gone already probably. At present however Bitcointalk has a monopoly position. And the crypto scene shouldn't belong to only a few, but to all of us.

If this is your opinion, why don't you create your own alternative, where most of you can go to?

I feel like my you got my post wrong. I did not suggest to create a new forum, I just got fed up by his whining. If he does not like the new rules he should leave and/or prove he can do better. I mean there are now post restrictions for members with lower ranks. He is just pissed, because the cannot earn that much anymore.

EcuaMobi

legendary

Activity: 1876

Merit: 1475

Quote from: Vod on January 26, 2018, 07:09:56 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 26, 2018, 06:58:32 PM

I've said before it's harsh for Hero members with over 775 activity to get only 500 merits, and your case is the worst I think!

What about Legendary members who now have the same Merit as those who have 1,000+ less activity than they do? Wink

The system is not perfect, but nothing stops Theymos from tweaking it later.

Haha I was going to take it personally but you have only 952 more activity than me, so I'm sure you don't mean me Tongue

But seriously, we can't rank up so it affects us far less than unholycactus. Maybe a change should be made if another rank is created soon at 2,000+ activity and 2,000+ mertis or so

exus

full member

Activity: 146

Merit: 111

Is it possibile to do something like this? (image)

minifrij

legendary

Activity: 2352

Merit: 1268

In Memory of Zepher

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 26, 2018, 07:05:49 PM

But, to be fair, this is the most popular bitcoin forum by far. Going to another forum (or worst, creating a new one as suggested by others) is impractical because there would be to few people there.

It may be the case that this forum is the most popular, however that doesn't necessarily mean that there would be too few people on others. Other than perhaps bitco.in/forum, each of the sources I posted there has hundreds/thousands of users that you can converse with about whatever subject takes your mind. I would certainly say that that is more than enough people to have a decent back and forth, and I personally have had extremely good times on forums with much less of an active population.

Vod

legendary

Activity: 3668

Merit: 3010

Licking my boob since 1970

Quote from: EcuaMobi on January 26, 2018, 06:58:32 PM

I've said before it's harsh for Hero members with over 775 activity to get only 500 merits, and your case is the worst I think!

What about Legendary members who now have the same Merit as those who have 1,000+ less activity than they do? Wink

The system is not perfect, but nothing stops Theymos from tweaking it later.

EcuaMobi

legendary

Activity: 1876

Merit: 1475

Quote from: minifrij on January 26, 2018, 07:00:31 PM

The truth is that the majority of people are on this forum because you can't earn money from any of those alternatives. I absolutely welcome the idea of those people, those only here for money, fucking off and moving to another forum to spread their shit. I sincerely hope that the merit system is a step towards this.

I'm sure that's the case for most people: they're here for money.
But, to be fair, this is the most popular bitcoin forum by far. Going to another forum (or worst, creating a new one as suggested by others) is impractical because there would be to few people there. We could say BTT has the monopoly.

(Do not take this as I'm supporting the spammers, I'm just saying what I just posted)

minifrij

legendary

Activity: 2352

Merit: 1268

In Memory of Zepher

Quote from: ?? on ??

Thanks for links to different forums. However, if I leave Bitcointalk forum, I have to start from zero at another. So sad to imagine the scenario like this.

And please, pray tell, does it matter about where you start from if you are going to a forum for good conversation? Granted there may be some restrictions in place, but I can't imagine that these are anything worse than what you went through to start posting here. So why did you go through it here?

Oh wait, I know. Because your rank was directly monetized, and that is something that you can't get on other forums. So why bother, right?

aleksej996

sr. member

Activity: 490

Merit: 389

Do not trust the government

I like this new system, as I prefer quality over quantity.
It just seems like there are no merits in my local thread yet Undecided

I guess there aren't a lot of high ranking members there that are regular
There they would be extra useful as those posts generally don't count for signature campaigns even if they are high quality. This way there would be some reward for posting high quality posts in local threads.

I am not sure if I would be eligible to be a "source" of merit points that I can bring to my local thread as I have only been here for few months and I don't want to be greedy.

minifrij

legendary

Activity: 2352

Merit: 1268

In Memory of Zepher

Quote from: Deena on January 26, 2018, 06:46:41 PM

If there were an alternative most of us would be gone already probably.

There are multiple alternatives to Bitcointalk. Here are a few examples:
bitco.in/forum,
forum.bitcoin.com,

r/Bitcoin,
r/btc,
And the very many other Bitcoin/Crypto related subreddits.

Hell, there's even the many Git repos of Bitcoin related projects or the dev mailing lists or Slack/IRC channels if you want to be technical.

You even mentioned wanting to fork Bitcointalk a few days ago, well here's the software. Or maybe you'd prefer this one.

The truth is that the majority of people are on this forum because you can't earn money from any of those alternatives. I absolutely welcome the idea of those people, those only here for money, fucking off and moving to another forum to spread their shit. I sincerely hope that the merit system is a step towards this.

I think that people who say this say it because it's convenient. You have a million and one other options for conversation, if that's what you really want - but it's so much easier to complain about moderation, or the systems in place on one than actually try to be a part of the other. Right?

EcuaMobi

legendary

Activity: 1876

Merit: 1475

Quote from: unholycactus on January 26, 2018, 06:50:33 PM

Does this mean I won't get legendary until I get 1000 merit?
I was going over 1030 activity next week (still hero at 1022 before the merit system).

I've said before it's harsh for Hero members with over 775 activity to get only 500 merits, and your case is the worst I think!

Yes, you'll need 500 more merit points to be Legendary. I'll go through your posts and grant some merits if deserved.

thaayb

full member

Activity: 218

Merit: 104

🥇🥉🎖

Quote from: Deena on January 26, 2018, 06:46:41 PM

Quote from: thaayb on January 26, 2018, 06:28:16 PM

You are free to leave and create an own forum to prove you can do better.

Basically nothing has changed, there are no posting restrictions at all, so stop complaining!

If there were an alternative most of us would be gone already probably. At present however Bitcointalk has a monopoly position. And the crypto scene shouldn't belong to only a few, but to all of us.

If this is your opinion, why don't you create your own alternative, where most of you can go to?

unholycactus

legendary

Activity: 1078

Merit: 1024

Does this mean I won't get legendary until I get 1000 merit?
I was going over 1030 activity next week (still hero at 1022 before the merit system).

Deena

member

Activity: 238

Merit: 49

Quote from: thaayb on January 26, 2018, 06:28:16 PM

You are free to leave and create an own forum to prove you can do better.

Basically nothing has changed, there are no posting restrictions at all, so stop complaining!

If there were an alternative most of us would be gone already probably. At present however Bitcointalk has a monopoly position. And the crypto scene shouldn't belong to only a few, but to all of us.

bill gator

legendary

Activity: 1372

Merit: 1123

Quote from: Lutpin on January 26, 2018, 06:35:04 PM

Quote from: StelioKontos on January 26, 2018, 06:18:55 PM

It is a problem indeed.
In the same way (1) you found those three useless posts from that guy which rightly didn't receive any merits, (2) you can find, if you're willing, three or more excellent posts made by some other guy which didn't receive any merits either even if he deserved.

Find them, point me to them, I'll merit them (or you can merit them yourself, you know?).
There already are several threads by people that are looking to be pointed towards good posts so they can give merit as rewards.

Lutpin is talking about people like me, go to my thread and submit them; there are multiple people watching my thread and meriting posts within it. Good posts will not go unnoticed with very minimal effort.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/smerit-post-review-2819141

There you can submit your posts, another's posts if you feel they are undervalued and we will merit them accordingly; I will even go back through and provide extra merit to posts I feel I have enough merit to give them their due.

lobcmt2

full member

Activity: 462

Merit: 155

Quote from: NakiRR on January 26, 2018, 06:25:12 PM

i'm walking around btt, reading, watching and can say that this merit system changed this forum forever, and not at the good side. today it is absolutely another place, not that was yesterday. Today it is a forum of one little group Hero's/Legendary's and their 'sixes'. Very bad... If i would be Satoshi i will never more enter this place. it is really disgusting to watch that what was happened in last days... And i don't care if you some hero fanatic will give me "red trust" for this post. Coz i'm writing now from thousands of people, who are scared by this little group of 'nobodies' which means themselves like "gods...

We are all PEOPLE, do not forget THIS

Not totally agree with your ideas. The forum have been spammed recently with tons of shitposts by farming accounts. Therefore, it should be cleaned somehow, and Theymos did it. Personally, I don't think the current solution with recent released merit system is a perfect one, but it is truly a good one. This one will inspire users to post high-qualited threads. However, I also think that there should be two sides, which users can depend upons them in order to ranked up their levels.
(1) Increasing their merit points by their own activities, such as one or two merit point for each week will be automatically allocated to each account by the forum.
(2) Getting gifted merit points from others for their good-qualitied posts. That's is the current aproach of merit system.

Please give me merit if the thread is meaningful and contributive one. ^^

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