Merit & new rank requirements - page 268.

soniclord

legendary

Activity: 1134

Merit: 1002

Quote from: flekkelek on January 26, 2018, 07:10:39 AM

Quote from: soniclord on January 26, 2018, 07:07:08 AM

Friends, faced a global problem - yesterday began to delve into the innovation, just to test these merits, well, I sent 50 to one person (random) in the morning wake up I was painted. For what?? I just tested - the novelty is on the forum, I want to touch my hands. I've been building my account since I was 15, and in one move they killed it all! It is right? You can not immediately execute

I guess you should write it to that person who gave you red, he was obviously too triggerhappy.

I wrote, but he is silent Embarrassed

flekkelek

sr. member

Activity: 644

Merit: 274

Quote from: soniclord on January 26, 2018, 07:07:08 AM

Friends, faced a global problem - yesterday began to delve into the innovation, just to test these merits, well, I sent 50 to one person (random) in the morning wake up I was painted. For what?? I just tested - the novelty is on the forum, I want to touch my hands. I've been building my account since I was 15, and in one move they killed it all! It is right? You can not immediately execute

I guess you should write it to that person who gave you red, he was obviously too triggerhappy.

soniclord

legendary

Activity: 1134

Merit: 1002

Friends, faced a global problem - yesterday began to delve into the innovation, just to test these merits, well, I sent 50 to one person (random) in the morning wake up I was painted. For what?? I just tested - the novelty is on the forum, I want to touch my hands. I've been building my account since I was 15, and in one move they killed it all! It is right? You can not immediately execute

TheQuin

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 883

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Quote from: Sexy_Sees on January 26, 2018, 06:58:31 AM

OK. So now I’m on the right track! Grin

You'll be on the right track when you start reading before posting. Most of those questions are covered in the OP and the rest have all been covered extensively.

Quote from: Sexy_Sees on January 26, 2018, 06:58:31 AM

But I will check out the whole thread now too!

You're doing it the wrong way round.

Neerajkumar

newbie

Activity: 140

Merit: 0

The merit is newly addtion made to improve the quality of the posts and to observe that it is based on the proper topic and should not be copied and pasted from someone else post.Its introduced to maintain a quality post and it's based upon the rank requirements.Its actually done by the other i.e.the other person who normally posts in the thread one merit can be added by each person who normally posts in the thread.

iqlimasyadiqa

legendary

Activity: 1596

Merit: 1011

Quote from: TMAN on January 26, 2018, 06:25:41 AM

Quote from: Cryptosymphony on January 26, 2018, 06:23:47 AM

I don't understand too much, but anyway I need to learn the basic of crypto, so I don't think I could give any kind of contribution.
For the moment, I just read.

Decent questions are a good contribution to the community, as good questions generally have good answers - if people see you are willing to learn you will be rewarded

Everyone who contributes to this forum is entitled to rewards, but not all get warranties because sometimes they stay quiet and they do not want to show themselves like by following a signcamp. merit is a solution when someone is properly focused and wants to advance crypto with sincerity without any hope to gain profit. These people are actually worthy of being regarded as the best contributor.

Sexy_Sees

member

Activity: 128

Merit: 22

Life is like a box of chocolates :)

OK. So now I’m on the right track! Grin

Wanted to learn about this new ‘merit’ feature and what it will mean for all of us. I’m pretty new to the cryptoworld and have BTT as my main platform for information about existing projects and ICO’s. I look to research at my own pace and find (for example) Telegram to be too much spam, gifs and shouts about nothing.
Even on BTT you have to read through the lines to gather real underbuilt info, but I like it more. So in my perspective of things, it is a good new feature. But it’s new, so I don’t know a lot of it and wanting to ask some questions, if I may.

How will merits be generated? Where does it come from? Do you collect it on a weekly/monthly basis yourself? Does it mean Sr Members and up have all the merits to give out?
Friend of mine is on BTT a while longer and have Merit:100 and said he only had 4 sMerit. What is the quotum to have/get these, besides posting well set up replies?
Hopefully someone can clarify these things. But I will check out the whole thread now too!

If I have any other questions about this I will come back on this post!

pawel7777

legendary

Activity: 2436

Merit: 1561

Quote from: Samarkand on January 26, 2018, 05:57:54 AM

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The problem is not only due to people giving away their initial sMerit balance. One
of the links I posted shows an example of blatant plagiarism where a newbie
copy&pasted posts by theymos and SM23031997 and received praise and merits
for this. These rewards were not coming from random accounts with nefarious intentions,
they were made by Hero members, who have already earned merits for their own posts.
They mistook a blatant plagiarism for a genuine high-quality post. Would the user in question
have made this plagiarism without the new merit system? I´d guess probably not, because
in order to rank up he could have made a random short post anywhere over Bitcointalk. But now
he is incentivized to at least create the impression that his posts are high-quality.
This opens up a whole new angle where we potentially will see a lot of plagiarized posts
in attempts to get easy merits.
...

As I suggested in the other thread, the solution is rather easy, but not perfect. Just allow mods to reverse sent sMerits if content turns out to be plagiarised.
Just click 'report to moderator' say that you want to reverse your 'tip' due to copy/paste post and include source of original.

The difficult part is when "author" already spent his unfairly earned sMerits, but at very least they could bring down his Merit score.

aoihs00

sr. member

Activity: 700

Merit: 300

This is major upgrade in the forum I believe. A good system to follow but I do see many drawbacks here if you guys believe it or not. I mean how in the first people will be happy to give away the sMerits, as long as they don't have enough and on top of that they are not the legends?

I mean this system is being created because we think that the quality of the posts is not up to the mark, if thats the case then who exactly is going to give the merits? The people who already don't have the quality posts?

I understand that there are people with some excellent posting qualities but I'm sure that they are not enough to go through everyone's post and start meriting them. This way we will end up with a war of giving the merits to anyone as they are anyway going to be wasted in the first place if not used.

Im sure that we will have some light over here and my thinking might be wrong at some point here but we do need answers to few puzzling facts!

B4RF

hero member

Activity: 813

Merit: 507

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 26, 2018, 05:11:29 AM

Quote from: B4RF on January 26, 2018, 04:50:44 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on January 26, 2018, 04:41:09 AM

That's ridiculous. Do you even believe your own bullshit?

Go ahead. If you really meant what you asked, then make the argument for why everyone should start at 0 merit without totally creating some new-ass fantastical system that makes no sense at all?

Dude I just asked a question Cheesy

keep calm.

As long as there are trusted accounts which generate Merit it should be easy for high level accounts to collect Merit faster then Newbies since they already get higher attention I would think.
Therefore eceryone starting at 0 Merit would be an option to create a system which benefits no one in particular and doesnt make it ridiculous hard for new accounts to lvl up.

I dont want the Merrit system to be that way but I simply showed the option since there was no proportional Merit progress within ranks what so ever. Starting at 0 wouldnt benefit some individuals

In other words, what you are saying makes no sense, unless you happen to have nothing invested.

It sounds like some of those arguments that say, let's just blow everything up and start over.

And, such a blowing everything up approach only makes sense if you don't have anything invested, and frequently a very short-sighted approach.

And, by the way, there is nothing not "calm" about my previous post, except your perception that it might not be "calm enough" for me to assert that your idea to be ridiculous.

If thats the attitude of a Legendary Member then I am actually thinking that a Merit of 0 for everyone to start with is the best to encourage a more civilized communication.

TheQuin

hero member

Activity: 2576

Merit: 883

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Quote from: Samarkand on January 26, 2018, 05:57:54 AM

The problem is not only due to people giving away their initial sMerit balance. One
of the links I posted shows an example of blatant plagiarism where a newbie
copy&pasted posts by theymos and SM23031997 and received praise and merits
for this.

The punishment for plagiarism is an instant permaban so I hope you used the report to moderator link.
It is a bit disappointing to see experienced members being fooled so easily.

Quote from: Samarkand on January 26, 2018, 05:57:54 AM

Besides, a highly-active high quality poster like you has only earned 7 merits so far
while countless of shitposters have earned a multiple of that. Is this the way that
the new merit system was intended? Genuine, high-quality posts in Technology & Development
are seeing 0 merits while random ICO thread bumps are rewarded with dozens of merits.

As of now this system is completely broken and I can only hope that the situation will
get better once the initial sMerits balances are gone. However, due to the issuance mechanism
for every sMerit that gets donated to a random ICO thread bump, the person, who received
the merits now has also new sMerits to spend.

I really do think it will. I can't think of many alternatives to the airdrop approach. They'll all be gone really quickly the way people are spending them. I would hope the sources will only give them out to people who used the airdrop sMerit wisely.

Mr.Spider703

member

Activity: 392

Merit: 27

http://radio.r41.ru

You all are discussing new rules here, but no one thought about those who were blocked, and their applications hang for a very long time in META, I looked through a few pages - horror, someone even paid for the unlock, but it still remains blocked, I thought that here people help each other, but it turns out that at all I do not give a damn about the fact that there are problems. "If the problem is not visible - then it does not exist"
Forum problems must be solved and not postponed until it is unknown

TMAN

legendary

Activity: 1414

Merit: 1808

Exchange Bitcoin quickly-https://blockchain.com.do

Quote from: Cryptosymphony on January 26, 2018, 06:23:47 AM

I don't understand too much, but anyway I need to learn the basic of crypto, so I don't think I could give any kind of contribution.
For the moment, I just read.

Decent questions are a good contribution to the community, as good questions generally have good answers - if people see you are willing to learn you will be rewarded

sergienkoe

member

Activity: 350

Merit: 11

Quote from: TMAN on January 26, 2018, 05:56:26 AM

Quote from: sergienkoe on January 26, 2018, 05:53:43 AM

Quote from: TMAN on January 26, 2018, 05:30:00 AM

Quote from: sergienkoe on January 26, 2018, 05:22:13 AM

Quote from: curcumurus on January 26, 2018, 04:31:11 AM

I dig this new merit systems, cause it brings new dynamics to Bitcointalk. I don't like people who post low quality posts and rank up for that. A Newbie or Jr Member account with genuine merit is much more valuable than a hero shitposter to me

The problem is that a hero shitposter already with a rank. So the rank is not a guarantee that the user does something useful for the forum. This is an indication that he may have started to do his shitposts a year earlier than the others.

In this case, why not to zero the rank of absolutely all forum participants. Leave activity and give the chance to earn a Merit on an equal footing with everyone?
If the changes for the quality of content on the forum, it would be fair and correct.

For now, this will make it difficult for new participants to grow on the one hand and
High ranks by manipulating the merit available to them, they will grow their friends disproportionately fast

Perhaps there should be an indicator of the quality of the participant's messages?
Like - Position: Jr. Member etc

so you are saying having 5 years plus experience in bitcoin isn't a head start on someone like you? making and losing fortunes on Alts and securities scams, going through multiple "bitcoin crashes" all of that is worth nothing as you cant level up quick enough ??

Where did I say that?

I just want to say that with such an incredible, rich experience as you have, it will not be a problem to get a required 500 merit in short term to become a Hero Member again. Much easier than to learn to respect other users of the forum, regardless of their rank and point of view.

Why should I have to? that is the question....

The same question, why should I?
Just because I joined two months ago?
I understand you. You dont want to start growing your account again.
But you also have to understand me, and others like me. To go your way we will need incomparably more time and effort. I'm only talking about justice.

Objectively speaking, a large number of members share my opinion. Why does no one send me Merit? Because it is a valuable resource. It will not be sent to strangers. The system in this form will not work correctly.

Quote from: TMAN on January 26, 2018, 05:56:26 AM

this isnt about respect for newbies as I have been making it rain on noobs who have the correct attitude about the system. I want the forum how it was back in 2013..

I want the birds to become dinosaurs again.

Quote from: TMAN on January 26, 2018, 05:56:26 AM

this forum would be great if it was all like the collectibles section, relevant - no shit posts and a good positive community !

I also want the forum with collectibles section, relevant - no shit posts and a good positive community ! But Merit system isnt a solution of this problem.

Moreover, we all know the solution to make our dream come true:
1 Ban all bounties
2 Brew tea
3 Listen to music

Cryptosymphony

newbie

Activity: 22

Merit: 0

I don't understand too much, but anyway I need to learn the basic of crypto, so I don't think I could give any kind of contribution.
For the moment, I just read.

Deena

member

Activity: 238

Merit: 49

Quote from: Makkara on January 26, 2018, 06:05:00 AM

Quote from: Jonashe on January 26, 2018, 06:01:43 AM

We need a little bit of use to spend this merit. If very few people send merit, new members will be stuck for a pretty long time on their rank...

i think this is exactly what is going to happen, but let's see what is going to be the outcome Roll Eyes

I even think this was intended so by the leading clique of this forum. It simply means more stakes and pay for them with their high rankings in signature campaigns. And should competition arise they still have the trust system to abuse. Roll Eyes

Deena

member

Activity: 238

Merit: 49

Quote from: StelioKontos on January 26, 2018, 05:55:05 AM

To make this system fair as it should be its primary pourpose, we all should start from scratch, with no rank whatsoever.

At present time, it mixes old ranks farmed with old rules with new shiny merit rules.

It's a system that promotes fairness, born in the most unfair way, putting low ranks in an HUGE disadvantage.

Thank you for your fair words!

Makkara

full member

Activity: 1064

Merit: 166

Quote from: Jonashe on January 26, 2018, 06:01:43 AM

We need a little bit of use to spend this merit. If very few people send merit, new members will be stuck for a pretty long time on their rank...

i think this is exactly what is going to happen, but let's see what is going to be the outcome Roll Eyes

coinminter22

jr. member

Activity: 30

Merit: 26

Quote from: gecelerinyargici on January 26, 2018, 05:55:24 AM

what is the purpose of merit system ? its very hard to get rank up in this system , to be rank up why i need someone's initiative ?

I agree, it will be extremely hard for people to rank up now since I believe everyone just thinks for themselves.... The old system was better.

StelioKontos

sr. member

Activity: 840

Merit: 267

Chad Hodler since 2013

Quote from: Samarkand on January 26, 2018, 05:57:54 AM

If they could only print sMerit like Tether can print USDT...
I´m just kidding Grin

I thought the same thing this morning while I was on the toilet.

If a "sMerit printer" does exist in the hands of few individuals and if there are no explicit rules to forbid the sale of sMerits, everyone can do 1+1 and see where this is gonna go sooner or later. sMerits, the new Tethers.

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