Topic: Merit source and top merit earners - page 3. (Read 1035 times)

The only applause he's going to get is from the same group of people who thinks that highranks are being selfish with merits; and they'll all not-receive merits happily altogether because complaining ain't going to do crap.

 I would say the op is looking for a certain form of applause. It would have been gotten if he had provided at least a little proof to back his accusations. Although he has a point, but laying it out there like he's got some kind of grudge against the merit sources, (probably because they must have sidelined his main account) makes it look like he's talking gibberish.
 What amazes me is how a newbie with zero activities and this is his first post is able to notice these things if he's not a coward who can't use his main account to call the merit sources out.

My guess is that, following the OP's statements, merit sources should have at least 36 hours per day.
Giving merits to numerous users and at the same time developing your own alternative accounts and participating in signature companies—don't you think it's a huge job? Given that you can keep track of all regularly merited accounts that may be with your version of alternative accounts, their posts should also be of appropriate quality. Have you thought about it?
Giving an unfounded accusation without evidence from a new account is an indicator of cowardice and self-doubt.
Shame on you, OP!

Creating a new account just to post this? Oh gosh! That shows how fearful you are for not posting with your main account. Those who stand for the truth don't disguise speaking out. This issue of merits circulation among high-ranking members has been addressed before (can't find the thread now) with many convincing reasons that are very obvious but only if you pay attention and observe. The merit sources are carefully selected having met up some requirements specify to qualify one to be a merit source. If you observe, you will notice that these high-rank members offer reasonable and informative contributions to conversations, and with this, they are likely to receive more merits.

Talking about the milking signature campaign is absolutely off point driven by jealousy. Some of these high rank members failed to reach the weekly post quota which is a prove that they're not chasing the money while some are not in the campaign but post beyond the weekly post quota required in a signature campaign. The majority of the signature campaign is more interested in gambling posts which majority of posts there are not merit-worthy but you will see these high ranks moving from one board to another offering the best idea that they can. Let's be fair enough and stop criticizing them. They deserve the merit they're earning.

Do away with this mindset and start improving your post and see merits flooding your profile. Take a look at this profile https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/powerglove-3486361 and tell me what you see. Within one year and a month with over 2k merits, What does that tell you? You can be like that also if you can do better other than criticism. I challenge you to bring out a post from your main account that's merit worthy but not merited and I will contribute my quota to show you that there's no bias in merit sharing. We also have numerous thread reviewing posts that are merit worthy but you pretend not to see those threads because you don't have any. Cmon mate!

Phill forgot this is outside of WO, and multiple posts in a row are not allowed here 
Never mind.

It's obvious that OP is frustrated with the merit sources because his main account didn't get attention from merit sources where he can get some merits. @OP, I believe you have an account that did not get the attention of merit sources, and maybe you have written many posts that deserve merits. FYI, a few merit sources review users' posts based on their application, and if their posts are worth merit, they are getting merits. Why don't you submit your good posts to them for review instead of complaining about shit?

If he has any real proofs, he'll get many merits for sharing them. Doesn't matter from this account of from any other account will he publish any proofs. But he doesn't have any, only frustration about not getting merits.

I'm not following all merit sources, but those several ones I see spend merits widely and for really many different people. So if there were any proofs, I'm sure they'd give merits for good investigation about possible abuser. There is no risk if to have proof. But he has no.

Merit sources are chosen after an application where they have to meet some criteria.


The application is not a formality and I know plenty of good forum contributors which applied for this position without receiving it. So those which are merit sources have to do a really good job in order to be elected.

Furthermore, merit spending is not moderated. Each user may send his merits to whoever he wants and in whatever amount he wants (being limited by the 50 merits / month to a unique user limit and by the limit of the amount of his sMerits). So far I only witnessed one case where a merit source was accused of abusing his powers and that user was demoted from merit source position. So actions are taken in case of abuses.

OP, if you can point the finger to someone directly, do it so and bring proof for your statement.

Other than that, since it was only one case of a merit source demoted for abusing his power, I am certain that merit sources are doing their job just fine. (There were other cases of demoted merit sources, but not for abuses. This happened when the user became inactive or did not use the sMerits received for being a merit source.)

There is a merit source in every local board i think (i know not in every board but i must say most of the local boards have there own merit source). And that merit source, give merits to anyone he/she wanted. Because its his there right. And if you really think merit abusing is happening and you have observed it then you should provide some proves because i at least understand that this is not your main account.

You have made another account just to start this topic. So, if the account is new then why do you afraid to share the proofs too. I think you afraid if you would made this account from your real id then those merit source might not give you merits if they are giving you few. Well, i am not accusing but if you have solid proof then you can share those even from your main id nothing to afraid of. Merits are not everything.

People with a lot of sMerits care about merit monopolization A LOT more than you think — heck I don't even spend a single braincell in thinking about it. Don't excuse lack of post quality for "mEriT mOnOpOLiZaTiOn".

Seriously, stop it with this crap.

Then try to be a merit source too or try to be one of the top merit earners. I am saying you should try to post like them and become like them.

You can also bring proof that you know what you are saying. Without prrof you are saying rubbish.

Having alt is not against on this forum. If you like you can have alts too but have quality posts and rank on if you post something quality.

Merit source are focusing on the accounts that post good.

I believe this is your alt, but you account is not posting anything good is the reason you have this believe.

Don't use a broad brush. I don't do it. Only some do it.

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Well I have seen a lot of 3500 merit plus people feeding accounts.

So yeah the op is part right. If you do a statistical breakdown you can see it is happening with new members getting  a lot of merits to make rank pretty quickly.

Members under a year and say 300 posts with 100 or 200 merits would be the sock puppets.  I see at least 3 or 4 in the wo thread.

Of course he is a newbie and not an OG. wink wink

I mean, merit sources are chosen by theymos and he know every users' IP addresses, I don't think he never check the connection between the merit sources and the top accounts merited by them. AFAIK there were alt accounts tried to ruin DT system by using all the accounts to trust each other, so they met the requirements to be included become DT1 members and theymos was the one who catch it.

Moreover there are some detective in this forum used to catch cheater or scammer, so I don't think you need to worry too much. Yet, you can beat them by improving your post as we have so many merit sources.

this would probably be taken a lot more seriously if you could provide detailed evidence supporting the claim you are making against merit sources and top merit earners.

so you are mad because newly created accounts are getting more attention than you by contributing and creating discussions happening in the forum? also, a newly created account does not mean that the person using it is completely clueless about this forum.

You're wrong about merit sources and I recommend you to not promote any lies because the merit sources in our forum are performing their duty very well, and they also know very well that which user deserves a merit and which doesn't. The merits are often given to those users who make well informative posts, and they posts somehow reflect their helpful nature, and if a user doesn't gets a merit then that means the user isn't trying to help others but is only after grabbing merits, and we call such users as "merit fishers," because they try their best to get merits even though they do not deserve to get any of merit because of their poor positing habits.

And, when it comes to new accounts getting merits then you must have to look their post history because a useful post from a newbie is more appreciated by our merit sources because they want such newbies to rank faster. They only give merits to those newbies because they know that such users can be helpful for the forum, and they can produce more constructive and reading worthy posts after they are appreciated with merits.
Instead of blaming our merits sources you should better try to make good and helpful posts, and I'm quite sure that you'll see that merits will flow toward your good posts like to the ones that you have seen on this forum.

I don't see what the problem is with the OP using an alt account to say this. Alts are explicitly allowed on this forum and originally the idea was that you could use them to say controversial things that you don't want to say with your main account, so I think it's fine for the OP to create an alt.

I don't agree with what he says though. The merit system is not perfect but it is very good and it improved the forum a lot compared to the ranking system when I registered in summer 2017. With it, if you are a good poster you will get merits, and if you don't get merits then your contribution to the forum is not good enough.


Your assumption is incorrect, and I don't deny that there may be some isolated cases, but as things stand, it is better for them to concentrate on a single account that will end up paying them a lot, in some cases with custom deals, than to have several, because the time they have is limited and the quality inevitably suffers if you have several accounts.

Look at the requirements to enter the Green Zone of the campaigns managed by Royse777 for example.


So, it's not just about merits, it's much more than that.

Just as I see you, obviously you are not new to this forum talking about merit, it seems your guts are very weak friend.

If you want to point out the problems you find with merit sources in this forum, you can show the evidence and use your real account, that will make your opinion more weighty and not look like nonsense.

I think that your original account seems difficult to get merit from other users in this forum, which makes you jealous of those who get merit from their contributions in the forum.
 
Show your real self. LOL

Complaining about Merit sources and also the one that earn much of them , but dont having the Balls to write that with your real Account !
Come again with your real Account but i guess you are afraid maybe that this will be not going well out for you.
Contribute good and maybe with some quality posts to the Forum and help others and you also getting maybe some Merits.
But please dont be lazy and just complain about it.

I guess you are one of those users, who after gets frustrated with no merit just decided to speak up.
 Now my question is why you have decided to create a new account and not using you real account.maybe we would have seen at least a reason why you haven't received merits from merit sources.

I do hope you have good prove about this, if not I think you should lock this thread and try learning how to create good post just so you earn merits. As far as I'm concerned, merit sources, gives merits to quality posting and most of the senior members on this forum show more of such post than lower ranked member.

 If you had time to read some post made by junior members then You would see how good they are and why they should be awarded merits. I suggest you start learning and stop complaining about the merit system mate.

When making such a big accusation or complaint, it would be great if you showed us examples/proof where merit sources have flooded their "sockpuppet" accounts with merits, and they are now milking the hell out of signature campaigns.

As far as I recall, at the beginning of the merit system, there were a couple of merit sources that abused the positions and got removed.

What I am seeing right now is just an assumption with no single proof.
Becoming a hero or Legendary member is not so hard. Even when you don't try so hard. Just be an active and helpful member in the community, you will get there.