Topic: Merit source and top merit earners - page 2. (Read 1035 times)

I am also more than certain that, even in such cases (which I also heard of), theymos made a thorough analysis for each such user. I have no doubts that theymos would choose a merit source based on nothing. So, most likely, each such user had a good history of meriting posts from various boards, spotting quality posts and good forum contributors. theymos is a rational person, as far as I observed, and does nothing on a rush or not by analyzing thoroughly his decision and potentially outcomes.

So I believe that those selected to be merit sources without a formal application also fully deserve their position.

some are that way. but many of us never applied and just logged in one day and were informed we were now merit sources.

I would be okay even if the OP would be active inside his own thread. So far, it seems that he only started the topic to create some drama and abandoned it. I also don't like those hiding behind alternative accounts but, since this is allowed, there is nothing that can be done here. However, if you have some guts, you should come up, at least, to support your ideas, bring some arguments to the discussion, try to prove your statements -- or anything similar. There is no point in making an accusation, throw some bad words and disappear. Even the effort for doing this (I mean the effort needed to create that new account) is useless.

Furthermore, as far as I see, absolutely nobody supported OP's ideas. What does this mean for him? That all which wrote here are hand in hand with merit sources?

In any case, let's wait a bit more. Perhaps OP will decide to come here and be present inside his own thread.

To increase his motivation, it may be necessary to tell him about how many merit have been circulating since the merit system was introduced. DdmrDdmr has updated the latest data on 21/07/2023, it is as quoted below:


There are 46,234 users who have received merit, maybe one of them is the alt account from him. So I don't think the OP has anything to complain about, it won't change anything about what he thinks is right.

I would have appreciated if OP didn't hide behind a brand-new account and had the courage to post from his main account. That way it would be easier to see what is going on, and what could be the reason behind the creation of this thread. All we can do now is guess, but no one really cares, and the thread will soon be forgotten and added to the countless other baseless accusation threads.   

If OP has the quality to post properly but somehow isn't receiving merits, post in the Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source thread and someone will take a look.

i couldn't agree more, i have seen few cases like these and its obvious the frustration of OP making him do such acts. I hope he will get patience once his anger will cool down but i suggest to op that you and everyone should not decide or make decisions when you are in frustration.

And decisions based on frustration, has no place in crypto sphere. Because if you are someone having good experience (huge) in crypto then you must know that patience is the key. If someone is abusing merits then they will be caught and will be dealt but making such lame excuses will only hurt you.

I hope the OP will take this advise because complaining doesn't do him any good. He should be focusing on improving his post quality and he's start receiving merits like others do then he won't have time to complain of merit sources favoring others over him because from what I see that's the main reason behind this posts but the OP forgets merits aren't been awarded to low quality posts because the merit sources know they can be questioned and their integrity been doubted. People didn't get to top merited position because they faked their way there, immediately you start receiving lots of merits you can't hide so if you're a sock puppet account, you'll be discovered.

You can't get to top merited position by just been average or posting rubbish and receiving support from merit sources. If you're receiving merits it means you're doing something right. Quality contributions doesn't hide and if you want to receive merit you have to start contributing constructively to the forum. There's a lot of merit in the forum but there's not much quality contents to attract the merits. Most posts people call quality today won't have received any merit when the forum was more strict and we have to crack our brains to be exceptional.

Now that I think about it: Last Friday, I had sent 42770 out of 1560799 sMerits. That's 2.74%.
LoyceMobile has received 548 Merit. Chances are, if it wouldn't have been my own account, I would have sent it 2.74% more Merit too. So one could argue LoyceMobile received 15 Merit less, just because it's my alt account!
Being my alt account is the worst for receiving Merit.

LOL - that's why I asked him instead of complaining about merit and some merit source. Had he said that some spammers sig had rewarded their own alt with merit - then it would have been much more appreciated, but with some proof.

But to be honest - I have no idea what his motives were. Merit has made many users fall in love if they really wanted to get it just to be able to join the signature campaign. We've noticed this madness time and time again - they go to great lengths to get as much merit as possible even with the quality of posts that even beginners can make.

If only you'd spend this much time writing something useful about Bitcoin, you wouldn't have to worry about Merit.

OP must have discovered the countless Merits I've sent to my alt account

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Serious answer: I applied to be a Merit source years ago, so that I can reward good posts in a positive way, instead of only reporting bad posts. I do both to improve the forum. If OP doesn't appreciate that, that's on him (and I couldn't care less).

Have you discovered that most campaign managers are not merit sources, they also got employed by organizations to work for them because they've got a good profile a punt like you could never achieve.

Someone like you will not be so bold enough to use your main account to post this garbage, this alone shows you're a crab awaiting to be roasted if you dare, maybe you've been kicked out of a signature campaign due to your low quality efforts in making posts, you're busy beating around the bush instead of developing yourself for learning.


When siting such silly idea of yours next time, always have some examples to present as evidence and stop being envious of what you can't achieve.


Why not try apply for merit source if you really think a change is needed and make the difference, someone like you will be the least to be given such opportunity on the forum because your orientation is not well properly positioned.

Another day and another accusation of merit sources being scummy douchebags who have destroyed the world (of Bitcointalk), and abuse the system to the maximum. Here is something you might be interested in knowing. Many didn't ask to become merit sources; the admin choose them. They were and are obviously doing something right. Or maybe the admin is also a damn abuser? Hmm, it's a pickle.

Those that deserve merits, get them. It's that simple. It's difficult for quality posters to remain under the spotlight for long periods of time because someone will eventually notice them and merits will start going their way. Unless, of course, you are posting in the worst subs and discussions of Bitcointalk where no one with any self-respect goes.

So, if you are lacking merits, improve your posting habits and do the same what those who earn them do. If you can't do that or don't want to, that's probably the reason you aren't getting any or in the amounts you think you should.

My mind is too clear to have such suspicions so far - but something is always possible especially since you are never banned from having alt. You are only prohibited from cheating campaign with your alt - you are also prohibited from sending merit to your alt, but you are free to have any alt to join different campaign regardless of whether you are the merit source or anyone else.

I think you have a good argument here - but unfortunately you don't really have the guts to talk to your main account. Next time try to be bold even if you talk about something a bit controversial.

As long as you have good knowledge and don't cheat the campaign - then what's the problem with having alt?

I found some good merit source like LoyceV and some other highly reputable users have alt and join different campaign, it doesn't matter to me because they don't cheat anyone with their alt including at campaign. But has it bothered you - or perhaps has taken away your chances of joining the campaign? Honestly - I'd want to know why.

If you do not have evidence towards a specific member, then it is likely that you will get some replies, then people will continue to post, some may put you in them ignore list, and your chances of obtaining merits will decrease.


I have been a merit source Member since 2018. 

I am aware of these tools. A post does not have to be long to be written by AI. Some users use AI for every post they write. For example, check this user. He is using AI to write short responses as well. It's not about detecting AI posts only. These days people do copy-paste in some creative way. Let's say someone finds a good article in Chinese, translates it to English and then posts it. Sometimes new users do not know about the rules. Sometimes they do it even knowing the rules. Someone can't check every post they are meriting if it was AI-generated or is a copy-paste, so If someone says that this does not look good, I don't want to spend my time checking it. You have nothing to say. Meriting posts is everyone's personal thing. You have to convince them to merit your post. Now the question is how can I convince them? Well, you don't have to ask them. You have to spend time on the forum, engage with everyone, and show effort. That's what I was talking about in my previous post.

I guess not only you and me, but every user had to spend time to earn merits at the beginning. There might be some extraordinary people like PowerGlove, n0nce and some others who are skilled in technology and can help members with their skills. It's not hard for them to earn a good number of merits in a single day. But when it comes to an average Joe, you must prove yourself, buddy.

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Yeap, it was really hard at the beginning. I now looked at the history and see that it took 17 days to get my first merit. Next was three months after the first one. And I thought I will never get not only legendary rank but was not sure if I ever get a member rank with 10 merits. And it took 6 months to become a member. And I knew very few about sources at that time...

And even if main part of merits I got were from merit sources there is a big enough amount got from users who have smerits only earned for their own merits. Share smerits you get with others and there will be up to 1 additional merit for each given by source. I'm not a source and was very surprised to see my name in the list of 50 Most generous recent merit senders for 30 days. It's what we all can do.

I am not a high-rank member. But I have enough merits for the next rank. I participate in my local language thread, and I want to share what I feel when I am there. I am a full member, and even a Full member rank is a high-rank account in a small thread where many newbie accounts are chilling. I used to give merits to good posts, whether a newbie account or a legendary one. But since the ChatGPT craze started, you never know if the content is original. So, before I merit a post from a newbie rank account, I wait and want to see his motive. If I see a couple of good posts from the same person that seems original, I can consider myself dumping a single merit. For a new person, you must somewhat prove yourself by spending time and showing effort. I believe most people think this way.

If you are a new member and want to get merit for your first good posts, that will not happen. You have to spend time and be familiar with the forum and engage with them. If people can recognize you by seeing your name and you write good content, you will start getting merits. I had to spend five months to earn my first ten merits. I earned another 100 merits in the next 45 days. I have earned another 150 merits in the next 90 days. My post quality dropped for the last 90 days because I joined the signature campaign and focused on the post count. Most recognized legendary members earn more than 50 merits each 30 days, even if they don't write extraordinary things. Because they are well known and recognized by the community, and they are unlikely to copy-paste and use AI to write.

In comparison, a newbie did not prove himself yet. He might copy-paste, or he might use AI to write contests. He may get banned for violating forum rules. Most banned accounts are newbies because they are unfamiliar with the forum and know less about the forum rules. No one wants to merit someone who might get banned. So, if you are a newbie and think the community ignores you, it's not like that. People keep watching your posts, which will be evaluated at some point. Spend your time and show some effort that you are here to stay and that you write good content.

Most Importantly - "Learn Bitcoin"

I still don't know if what you're saying is true, from what I understood from all you saying OP is that merit sources do have alt account that they're flourishing their other accounts with merits, and they're leaving their job on this Forum to server other members but to serve themselves... That's one hell of an accusation you know OP?
And with this accusation of yours (that's what I'll call it) when you have a rank that will qualify you to join a campaign do you think they'd accept you in any campaign after falsely accused campaign managers? I doubt you have a chance. OP I feel grudges are written all over this post... That's no way to go about business.

In my honest opinion, and please note that this is just my personal perspective, I find these claims to be total BS, without any substantial evidence to back them up. Can you show at least one example where you think this happened?

Moreover, there are several topics where you have the option to report posts that you believe haven't received sufficient attention or haven't been appropriately recognized with merits. You can even report them here, and I'm sure that at least some merit sources will take a look and evaluate them.