Topic: Merit Source Message - page 2. (Read 1014 times)

Which is actually odd. You would think that the Economics section in particular would be a great place for in depth analysis, and discussion relating to that. I believe Bitcoin Discussion is one of the most merited areas of the forum from memory. However, I can't be sure about the Economics section. New members will always have their facts skewed, and some of their knowledge mixed up. That's natural, and we've all been through it. But, we should also be looking for members who start great discussion. Of course, it needs to somewhat constructive, and not just a simple question that triggers the discussion. 

Oh I'm sure there a lot of doubt.  I have no control over who gives me merits, though.  Foxpup in particular seems to have a hard-on for my posts, but I didn't ask for them, I don't know him, and I don't think I've had so much as a single PM from him.

I wasn't trying to do that, but I'm exercising my own right to not merit OP's post and I'm just giving my opinion.  I'm opinionated for sure, but OP is free to do as he pleases with his sMerits and I couldn't stop him if I wanted to.  I tried to get across that I have no beef with him, but obviously I'm not communicating it well.

I have said almost the exact same thing recently, that I do my best to favor the lower-ranked members who 'need' the merit to rank up, and if you look at my merit-giving history you ought to be able to see that I try to spread the love around as far and wide as I can.  I don't think what you'll see is me constantly meriting the same members over and over.  There's nothing I'd like more than to have a bunch of great posts by Newbie to Sr. Member accounts, but those are scarce in the sections I frequent.  

When I try to find good posts in sections like Bitcoin Discussion or Economics, it's really tough.  The sad fact is that most people just write one line responses to the thread's title, usually in terrible English, and often it's the more senior members who write the thoughtful posts--I see it again and again.  But hey, glad you came by to voice your opinion which I considered thoughtful and thus (in my eyes) worthy of some merit.  Everyone has their own standards.

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Sometimes it is, which is why I read a lot of threads there.  Hydrogen starts quite a few threads with interesting news article quotes and sparks the discussion with his input on the article.  Sometimes I give him merits (he's a Hero member, BTW), sometimes not, but I'm always looking for relative newcomers who make good posts in threads like his--and those are kind of rare.  The Economics section is one of the ones where a lot of garbage posters go to unload their one liners for whatever bounty they're in, just like BD but not quite as bad.

What can I say, I'm picky when it comes to giving out merits but I think I should be.  That was the whole point behind the inception of the merit system.  I'm pretty sure Theymos didn't create it just for shits & giggles.

Excuse me and sorry for having NO sendable merit left

Your way when out of MERIT.... +5WO merits


Many sources just filling up each other, I also always think not everybody “as myself” can always talk high tech quality Posts.....

But many do their very very best expressing theirselfs in english, not the mother language, and just have the best intentions and longterm perspectives for BTC, that with Some politenes and good humor ..... isn’t that Nice for the BTC community as well?

Again good night me out

This is where me, and you disagree completely. I don't care who I send merits too, as long as their post is deserving. I don't factor in trust or any other outside factors other than the post that I'm looking at. Does this user normally make good posts? If so I might go, and look at some of their others, and merit them individually. But, I won't let that stop me meriting a user 1, 2 or 10 times in a row. I don't care about the 1% mentality, but I do appreciate those that take the time to look for unrecognized posters among the community. The fact is there are some exceptional posters within this forum, and they deserve as much recognition as others. What I don't agree with is rewarding members for being polite. That's ridiculous from my point of view. However, I do agree that's nice to merit those who don't get merit often, but I'll only do that if their post is up to standard. I think it's true that a lot of the merit is recycled between the same members, but you know why? Because they're constantly putting out good content that deserves merit. I don't have a problem with that. However, having said that what other users do with their merit is up to them. They don't need to look for verification or approval. They can come up with their own guidelines, and use their own initiative when giving it out. I also don't have a problem with that.

Globbo's motive might be generous, and admirable. However, that doesn't mean anyone else has to agree. If he is a merit source then he can wait for his merit to replenish like the rest of us merit sources. However, asking for merit to distribute themselves when its not even to good quality posts isn't something I'd expect from anyone. Sure, good quality posts are subjective, but I think most would agree that some of the posts are low quality content at best.

I dont come out of the hole'n the Wall much..  I don"t care for the endless ad campaigns, trolls and the "I know better than you because I am screaming louder" mentality that I find prevalent in many posts out "here". Imho the merit system is obviously flawed despite theymos and the "meta" crew's best intentions. It's either a semi-functional beta at best or a self perpetuating circle jerk at worst.

I do tend to be of the mind set that something is better than nothing however and do appreciate the hard work involved for some. That being said, I am having a issue with this thread for some reason. When people start telling other people how to think my censorship hackles rise and the warning bells start clamoring.

Here is a example. These two have made such a impression on me with some of their thoughtful and insightful post's over the years that I ended up putting them on my DT list. I have had no trades with them or any other interactions but I still feel as though they are "trustful". I haven't searched through ever single post nor will I, but I do wonder however if they feel they have earned the 2300+ merits that the community has bestowed upon them. I suspect there might be some doubt.



My point is here are two well respected members telling other people how to think and act..   I am not sure it could be more of an anti-thesis of what bitcoin is all about if it tried. The merit system has to be more than just rewarding the same 1% of people who make quality post's. This is a subjective proposition that has to be intuited at the users discretion. It has to be a way to engage and draw new participation or we will end up in a very small echo chamber. It's to the point that I almost refuse to merit legendary members at all unless it is truly profound or cutting edge. I try and bestow what little merit I gain to newbies trying to gain a foothold so as to entice more participation as a whole or to member who I feel are close to ranking up a level.

I think Globbo's point was to reward and encourage decency and politeness...plain and simple. That seems admirable and a good use case for merits if I have ever heard one.

Just my two sats.
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nicely said bitserve, understand the pharmaman as well ..... (he gets it, but not wanna get in the mix, nothing wrong with that, little pity but understandable)

hope someone give him some merit out of camaraderie

hey good night in here 

#support Globb0 a bit THX

just as money or BTC, isn't anything as well to give out for free, sometimes shit happens, and sometimes those things create good vibes and closer community...... the scammers and spammers are always caught fast so no problem there, and most people that have gained those merit of Globb0 are almost all minimum full member till legendary's.... as many post go's unmerit where they should been merit, yeah now they have one the other way around and being compensated for some merit missing
I guess some poster as those on that list don't deserve merits... most of them very establish members, and many higher ranked that have to work with the merit system to rank up, if they are good quality posters then why be botherd, I forgot some but those I know have many good quality posts and BEST intention toward the forum, so why would YOU say to denied them ??
 
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Phil_S
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Did forgot Some as well.....

Well in my particular case, I would not have merited those posts, so I don't feel the need to give my sMerits to OP.  He either needs to wait for his source supply to get replenished or ask Theymos for some more, like I did.  Know what I'm saying?  As I said, I'm not yelling at OP for meriting shitposts--but I'm also not going to offer help in this case other than with my words.

My thoughts exactly, but I'm sure OP still wants Theymos to see this.  I think.

It is interesting what you say there. We can theorize about it. I would say that if certain positive (for the community) acts would be RANDOMLY rewarded, the outcome would be an overall increase of those positive acts. I mean, if good manners or a particular positive behaviour would be known to be randomly rewarded the end result would be those good manners or particular behaviour would be seen most often no matter if that particular post gets rewarded or not.

Of course if it got rewarded every time or if all sources shared the same inclination to reward those very same posts, shitposters would try to trick the system and take advantage of that knowledge.

One could even argue that, even in that case, we would at least have a more polite and well mannered community even if for the probability/certainty of obtaining a reward.

In the end, it is just balance what counts and different merit sources having different (and dynamically changing) criteria is what builds that diversified balance.

... Can we just move on FFS?

yeah thats true he has been MADE a source so that must count for something...., just strange to not seeing some other sources helping out a companion of the JOB "meritwork" , I think most sources are doing a great job, and I absolutely understand that its normal for one given sometimes a generous boost toward another source or GUY that " some source could like"  etc

but when a fellow SOURCE member has a moment of being generous "even not toward spammers etc" then I just cannot follow why he don't get any support from fellow MERITSOURCES ..... (its all the same team you guys)

@pharmacist, I know you do a great work around here, nothing wrong to say about that!
but some did react kind of STUPID on what Globb0 asked and did..... (still see the members that have been rewarded where all "older members")
no new guys, or beggars,  Globb0 wouldn't give them a chance....

Merits were officially meant to help this forum with spam and shit-posting so that users would actually have to WORK to rank up.,

Giving random merits to shit posters like this is exactly the opposite of what they were meant for IMO, but hey, you are the source, not me...  

In my opinion I don't think merits should be generously handed out, as it has nothing to do with a "free will gift",it's a "gift" that should be earned,giving out merits freely just for the sake of generosity shouldn't be acceptable as in no time we'll end up ranking up users who shouldn't in anyway rank up
So users would use "sir","ma" etc Indiscriminately all in the name of being polite could rank up huh,without actually doing anything?,hell no!

last 1 send out

not stupid for sure, but all have had there moment of generosity, he divide it under more members, instead of giving 50 to a random post as happened as well, if it is toward polite people and somewhat "true forum members" then why would it be so wrong?

If I had to guess I would say it is something Globb0 decided to do as a once time. It is obvious that if he did it routinely all shitposters would pile around him to get something.

Globb0 may be a kind person, but he is not stupid. At all.

^
but they will not get it .... the sources in speculation are all good post rewarders..... so don't mind that

You don't have to be a genius thinker or even that good at writing to be rewarded merit. Yet what Globb0 has done is give merit for a lot of low content posts. I'm not sure if I agree with the way he is rewarding people with merit which should be hard to get and only for those which are good at posting. The speculation  board is a shitfest at the best of times but now that this is public information and has been exposed on a board such as meta which is far more frequently visited a lot of people will be going to post on the speculation board thinking that they can earn merit for shit posts because that's what Globb0 has been rewarding. Thank you posts with a prediction should never be given merit but I'm not a merit source for a reason I guess. I like to reward those that put time and effort into their posts.

I agree with you, but there's limits.  If we have a merit source who's giving merits to shitposts, then the system becomes a little more useless.  If all merit sources did this, the system would be completely useless.  The whole reason we have the merit system is to suppress shitposters from ranking up, so if sources just give them out with no consideration to how good the post is....what's the point?

Maybe that's the reason.  I haven't looked at his meriting history, but he got selected to be a merit source and therefore I have to assume he earned that position and doesn't make this a habit.  Hopefully.

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It's not unless it's a pattern of rewarding shitposters, which I don't see here.  If I thought OP was abusing the merit system, my posts would be quite different.  In my mind I picture him as a hooka pipe-smoking hippie spreading free love around as if it were the 1960s.  As I said, if he got made a merit source in the first place he's probably not a serial merit mis-user.  True, we've had a couple of those but Theymos picks them pretty well.

^
I also think it like how bitserve is saying it, for all the rest IMO Globb0 never sended merits to scammers, or people with bad intentions (as so far we can see.....)
all to dedicated people, a merit source as Globb0 even gives MERIT to people that are not the most genius thinkers and people that can express BTC, and how it works as many different smart guys on the forum, but he's also a guy that sees some proper good humor, good character in people, people that are in the forum with the best intentions toward BTC, and are just here to learn and get in the mix how they can, BTC-community is build on very smart people, but not all are andreas kind of thinkers or not every body has the computer skills to create amazing shit on the forum.... cause also MANY MANY MANY merit are being shared for yet another "look what I create to follow merit movements, or statistics or who's catching who etc", as there are also being send very much other pointless merits around, I think if Globb0 send a few MERIT to mostly people of the forum "cause it takes a minimum of 10 merit to participate @games...to exclude NEWBIE's etc)
so I can follow if he shared merit for a reason of politeness .... and getting dried up NOW just sucks cause his work isn't finished
I also understand i am not the always 100% best poster, but toward BTC and people of the community my actions or willings or just someway of trying to contribute something to the forum as well

again THX Globb0 for showing people that being polite is an important manner of being on a forum, and that those things can get rewarded from time to time (think I also read that in another thread down her somewhere..... be polite toward other members etc)

hope you get some generosity as well
I haven't more left anymore

I understand what you did there even if it may be questionable for some. Thanks for your act of kindness and generosity on Mic's thread!

P.S.: For whoever that doesn't get it... I would guess he was somehow moved by the generosity of Mic (which he has repeteadly demonstrated) and decided to contribute to the positivity in the way he could. Without expecting absolutely anything in return.

I have remember,  LoyceV was mentioned on reputation and I had pointed on his giveaway thread. In a result I was hardly attacked by his fan. Never mind if merit sources spend his merit before end of time fram. But it doesn't mean they should spend on shitpost as well there is lot of good post.