Merit system causes more SPAM not less - page 2.

xtraelv

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Activity: 1288

Merit: 1926

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Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

So here is my theory.

What do you guys think?

Now if this theory was accompanied by actual data to back it up then it could have some credibility.

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The comments from moderators indicates that it is reducing the spam.

It has caused a lot of posts from users that don't have merit complaining about the merit system with all sorts of reasons why it should be abandoned.

New features take a long time to be introduced on the forum. Unless the merit system causes the wheels to fall off - you can be assured that it is here to stay.

I've personally seen a reduction in spam posts on the patrol page. Not just due to the merit system but due to the good efforts of some of the spambusters and moderators on here.

Merit is not an instant fix. It is a long-term solution that along with nuking new spam accounts, banning repeat spammers, banning ranked accounts that spam and identifying account farming operations will eventually make it not worthwhile to spam.

Incentives to improve post quality also ensures that there is worthwhile reading material on here to keep attracting the good members to return to the forum so there isn't a brain drain that leaves the forum to the bounty zombies.

Thirdspace

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Activity: 1232

Merit: 738

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Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

Newbie comes onto the forum and starts snooping around because he heard about bounties. He wants to make some cash and he wants some cash right now. He starts trying to sign up and realizes he needs to be a jr member to participate. Here comes your first influx of SPAM.

most of them (spammers), if not all, will get nuked or banned before they get to Member rank
Jr Member maybe easily attainable because the lack of merit requirement,
but any manager wouldn't accept him in the signature campaign with near low quality posts (even if he manages not to get banned)

Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

A day later he realizes why he came here in the first place. He needs damn money. So the light bulb goes off. Well if a hero member gets 8 stake and a jr member gets 1 there is only one thing left to do if I'm to make it as a bounty hunter. Multiple accounts!

make sense... but bounty position is usually available in limited number
he would have to compete with other candidates to get selected

Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

We probably have hundreds of people spamming the hell out of this board with multiple accounts and the merit system does nothing to stop the spam and it may actually cause more of it.

I think merit does help reduce spams and account farmers to certain degrees
and it's no doubt there are users with multiple accounts,
but they who ranked up their accounts surely have good quality posts

MagicSmoker

full member

Activity: 420

Merit: 184

Quote from: Ultimist on September 16, 2018, 04:49:32 PM

Quote from: MagicSmoker on September 16, 2018, 04:38:46 PM

I generally don't give out merits to anyone who has a lot of bounty and airdrop reports in their history, but the OP seems to be making an effort to improve his post quality and people have been especially generous to me the last few days as I reached and crossed 100 merits so I'm spreading the love around.

However, if the OP goes back to his shameful, bounty-loving ways then you can bet I won't make the same mistake twice.

What's wrong with a man having a lot of bounty reports in history? If he writes some useful post that you like, you still won't let him merit because there are a lot of bounty reports in his message history?

I'm free to use my merits in any damn way I feel like... yougottaproblemwiththat?

priscadavids

newbie

Activity: 58

Merit: 0

Personally, I think the merit system is good and shouldn't be scrapped out. Spamming can cause a whole lot to a good system and bounty managers should know how to engage the rules in signature campaign so as not to get users to spam.

The Sceptical Chymist

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Activity: 3528

Merit: 7005

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This is certainly a plausible scenario, and I'm sure some people are doing exactly what OP described--but I'm more inclined to think that these spammers are more likely to find a high-ranked account for sale than to do all that extra work. That's my feeling; I have no hard data to support it. I would certainly recognize that the spam problem hasn't exactly abated since the merit system's inception, but I'm not sure it's really gotten worse. Bitcointalk has been pretty bad quality-wise since I've been a member here, which has been about 3.5 years now.

But because the alt account spamming IS happening, that's why there needs to be a merit requirement for the Newbie-->Jr. Member transition. That will introduce its own set of abuses, of course (like merit selling), but at least it would be a small barrier to prevent these idiots from getting into bounties so quickly. This is not a new idea, and hilariousandco has been throwing it out there for at least a couple of months. Ultimately Theymos has to make the call on whether to do it, and I don't think he's leaning towards it.

gracejohnsonstar

newbie

Activity: 38

Merit: 0

Quote from: hotforblockchain on September 16, 2018, 01:15:11 PM

Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

This is nothing new and have been discussed several times.
This fact will not make merits go away, it would most likely make other changes to be made.
Several high ranking members have already discussed some ideas in META, whihc in my mind would be a HUGE plus for forum:

Disable signatures for all Jr.Members who have no merit at all.
Or disable them for good.

I feel this your opinion speaks selfishness. That you have the merits to attain the member position doesn't mean you have more quality threads or replies than other people who are still in the junior member rank. Allow everyone to benefit from what you are benefiting... don't block the road for others just because u have something they don't have.

Ultimist

full member

Activity: 812

Merit: 102

Quote from: MagicSmoker on September 16, 2018, 04:38:46 PM

Quote from: TBboys on September 16, 2018, 01:31:53 PM

Are you sure you read all of his posting history?
Look at this page, all the proof of joining airdrops and bounties：https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/camster-1041404
Of course, I also admit that the quality of his post has gradually improved, so I think that as long as he insists on doing so, he can still improve the rank.

I generally don't give out merits to anyone who has a lot of bounty and airdrop reports in their history, but the OP seems to be making an effort to improve his post quality and people have been especially generous to me the last few days as I reached and crossed 100 merits so I'm spreading the love around.

However, if the OP goes back to his shameful, bounty-loving ways then you can bet I won't make the same mistake twice.

What's wrong with a man having a lot of bounty reports in history? If he writes some useful post that you like, you still won't let him merit because there are a lot of bounty reports in his message history?

BigBrother

member

Activity: 439

Merit: 10

I think the merit system is up to the task. Those people who cant write anything useful do yourself a few accounts Junior members and participate in the bounty. Some try to collect merit and to upgrade your rank. It's everyone's business which way to choose.

MagicSmoker

full member

Activity: 420

Merit: 184

Quote from: TBboys on September 16, 2018, 01:31:53 PM

Are you sure you read all of his posting history?
Look at this page, all the proof of joining airdrops and bounties：https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/camster-1041404
Of course, I also admit that the quality of his post has gradually improved, so I think that as long as he insists on doing so, he can still improve the rank.

I generally don't give out merits to anyone who has a lot of bounty and airdrop reports in their history, but the OP seems to be making an effort to improve his post quality and people have been especially generous to me the last few days as I reached and crossed 100 merits so I'm spreading the love around.

However, if the OP goes back to his shameful, bounty-loving ways then you can bet I won't make the same mistake twice.

Awoben

jr. member

Activity: 236

Merit: 3

The merit systems did a wonderful job in sanitizing the forum of anyhow post. We all know it's difficult to have a perfect system, I believe an improvement can be made to reduce multiple creation of accounts and to monitor the upgrade of exiting accounts

Quote from: TBboys on September 16, 2018, 01:31:53 PM

Quote from: Bessta on September 16, 2018, 01:23:06 PM

Quote from: TBboys on September 16, 2018, 01:10:39 PM

If don't have merit system, you should be a Full member now,but now you are just a Jr.member, which is a good proof that the Merit system is valid.
Check out your posting history. Many of the posts you posted in the early days are spams, and I believe there are millions of accounts like you in the Bounty section.
Very good, the Merit system has successfully blocked most members like you.

I also checked his posts and it seems he is posting really well and there is a sense in his posts. I also think there is still a fault in this merit system but for me there is also a good side in it.

Are you sure you read all of his posting history?
Look at this page, all the proof of joining airdrops and bounties：https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/camster-1041404
Of course, I also admit that the quality of his post has gradually improved, so I think that as long as he insists on doing so, he can still improve the rank.

I did check out his post too It's quite good

CryptoToxicAvenger

full member

Activity: 644

Merit: 111

I can't say how effective the merit system works, but the whole idea is good. I believe that those who really want to achieve a high rank will be able to do it. In the end, there are topics where they give out merit how a certain task or something. So there are enough ways to get merit.

Crypdon

member

Activity: 616

Merit: 11

I think the Merit system is good, but the amount of merit needed to rank up needs to be adjusted. Going from a junior to a member is manageable and certainly the right number, but anything after that is virtually impossible.

Ramtapsbtc

member

Activity: 364

Merit: 10

Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

A day later he realizes why he came here in the first place. He needs damn money. So the light bulb goes off. Well if a hero member gets 8 stake and a jr member gets 1 there is only one thing left to do if I'm to make it as a bounty hunter. Multiple accounts!

You have a point but even if you are a hero member you can still think of making an alt account because greed will always prevail to humans, sad to say but this is true in my opinion.

hubballi

sr. member

Activity: 882

Merit: 297

Merit system have seriously decreased the account trading as now the account farmers cannot create the new accounts and just post one or two message in between the activity period and like this they are creating potential accounts to sell in good price. Now this is stopped as each account have to get a minimum merit to reach that account rank and this merit are given by the high rank users who have been in this community from long and they give merit to only good post and not the spammers.

r1s2g3

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Activity: 742

Merit: 395

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Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

So here is my theory.
Here comes your first influx of SPAM.
Now the SPAM really starts flying.

Somebody started with spam, think of more spam for ranking up. Will continue spam even after ranking up.

Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

A day later he realizes why he came here in the first place. He needs damn money. So the light bulb goes off. Well if a hero member gets 8 stake and a jr member gets 1 there is only one thing left to do if I'm to make it as a bounty hunter. Multiple accounts!

After becoming Hero Member, he realized , how much money he will get if he has multiple hero member , so he started farming more accounts.

Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

We probably have hundreds of people spamming the hell out of this board with multiple accounts and the merit system does nothing to stop the spam and it may actually cause more of it.

Unintended consequences?

What do you guys think?

In turn it made sure that spammer do not rank up and for some it become motivation to stop spamming and try to rank up.

qtronix

member

Activity: 596

Merit: 10

It is possible and correct that the merit system was introduced, but there is one big problem. Due to the fact that many do not want their work to achieve merit, they just buy it. Therefore, the higher the members of this forum are not willing to share them, because why would they give away merit for free, if it can be sold.

pawel7777

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Activity: 2436

Merit: 1561

Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

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A day later he realizes why he came here in the first place. He needs damn money. So the light bulb goes off. Well if a hero member gets 8 stake and a jr member gets 1 there is only one thing left to do if I'm to make it as a bounty hunter. Multiple accounts!
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1 - When you need to make 50x more posts with multiple junior account to earn the same money as you would with 1 Hero account - that should motivate any reasonable person to focus on quality, earn merits, rank up and make it easier for yourself. Unless you're intellectually incapable of quality posting.

2 - If someone's here only to maximise his profits, he would spam more if there was no Merit system, knowing that all his multiple accounts will rank-up eventually, disregard of post quality.

3 - Assuming there's a limited number of spots in signature campaigns for junior members, market soon will get saturated and most junior accounts would end up idle.

ps. I've noticed increased number of "smart post" - low rank members spamming with copy/paste of smart sounding content (usually from press articles/blogs) in attempt to get some merit points (unsuccessfully). You could say Merit system is responsible for this particular kind of spam, but it also suggests the system works.

ps2 - Move to "Meta"

BTCreward

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Activity: 574

Merit: 100

In theory, the merit system should encourage people to write better comments and create useful posts. It seems to me that the idea was not quite successful, but nevertheless it was able to make people think that they write.

megusen

jr. member

Activity: 308

Merit: 1

Quote from: Camster on September 16, 2018, 01:00:41 PM

So here is my theory.

Newbie comes onto the forum and starts snooping around because he heard about bounties. He wants to make some cash and he wants some cash right now. He starts trying to sign up and realizes he needs to be a jr member to participate. Here comes your first influx of SPAM.

We are now a jr member. Things are looking good. You sign up for your first signature campaign. Earning time is right around the corner. A few weeks in you realize the Hero members are getting massive stakes and by the end of the campaign they will get all the rewards. You think to hell with this I'm gonna rank up. Now the SPAM really starts flying.

About a day or two into this the new user starts to realize something isn't correct. Why am I not ranking up. This is where he learns about the merit system. The new user has a bad day as he realizes he has been locked out of this game. The game has been centralized by the upper members.

The new user quits. He says fuck this noise I'm out.

A day later he realizes why he came here in the first place. He needs damn money. So the light bulb goes off. Well if a hero member gets 8 stake and a jr member gets 1 there is only one thing left to do if I'm to make it as a bounty hunter. Multiple accounts!

We probably have hundreds of people spamming the hell out of this board with multiple accounts and the merit system does nothing to stop the spam and it may actually cause more of it.

Unintended consequences?

What do you guys think?

I agree with the merit system. Not only reduces spammers. But also making the quality of a new token means the price. For the spammers leave it alone, because they will be confused with their work system. Not that having a lot of accounts will get a lot of money. But this confuses itself. Having only one account but an account and continuing to work will make it more meaningful. Because the results will not betray the process. I have an account with a post of more than 800 and more than 200 activities but I still have Jr.Member. The beginning I was sad. But this is a new challenge to make useful posts for the crypto lover community

TBboys

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Quote from: Bessta on September 16, 2018, 01:23:06 PM

Quote from: TBboys on September 16, 2018, 01:10:39 PM

If don't have merit system, you should be a Full member now,but now you are just a Jr.member, which is a good proof that the Merit system is valid.
Check out your posting history. Many of the posts you posted in the early days are spams, and I believe there are millions of accounts like you in the Bounty section.
Very good, the Merit system has successfully blocked most members like you.

I also checked his posts and it seems he is posting really well and there is a sense in his posts. I also think there is still a fault in this merit system but for me there is also a good side in it.

Are you sure you read all of his posting history?
Look at this page, all the proof of joining airdrops and bounties：https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/camster-1041404
Of course, I also admit that the quality of his post has gradually improved, so I think that as long as he insists on doing so, he can still improve the rank.

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