Topic: Merit system for newbies (benefits) (Read 630 times)

Newbies will send merit to hero/legendary memeber(s)
Hero/Legendary will send merit back to newbie/junior member/full member over and over again.

So you disagree just to disagree?

Okay then. If, by pure chance, you don't, then tell me exactly why you think my system is going to contribute to account farming. Don't be shy, tell me your reasons and I will listen carefully to them. As of yet I don't see how it could make matters worse. It doesn't in the least contribute to account farming since the benefits that I suggest to introduce can't rank up a newbie on their own. They are to give Legendary members (the ones sitting on most s-merits) incentive to promote really constructive posters to higher ranks. What's wrong with that?

Or are you actually quite happy that the new users will be stuck forever in their current status? What is your stance here, really?

Do you know why merit was introduced in first place, why recaptcha has been implemented, why this forum has rule "joined type posts are not allowed"?
It is because of newbies who thought it would be good idea to farm hundreds account to sell them and because of newbies who thought it would be even greater idea to abuse campaigns with 50+ accounts writing nonsense all over the forum.
So here you go, 1 more reason why I don't agree with you. System is good there is no need to change anything.

As I explained in one of my previous posts, actually exactly in my previous post just above yours (I advise everyone to read at least my posts here)

Is this system creating an incentive for users to give merits to other users? Even if it does, I don Because I think this is the problem that encompasses all other problems.

In an ideal world established members "should" give merits to newbies who are making  high quality posts, but is there any incentive other than goodwill? Are they penalized if they don't give merits? No, because this would be ridiculous and impossible to implement. Do they have a direct impact on their experience in the forum as a user (similar to how reddit actively rearranges posts based on upvotes)? A no to that as well.

In my opinion, if we can't address that, we will never get the merit system running as it was intended.

That's what I'm also thinking. Old members are not going to be giving newbies their merits. Newbies will be posting every day and never grow up in range no matter the quality of their posts. Making it more difficult than now to find a decent post on the forum.

Why not just ban the maker of low-quality posts?

Let's say a certain amount of users report a post that is not relevant to this forum, or low in quality, the maker of it gets banned for a certain period of time, let's say a week. If he restarts and that he gets banned again he will be banned for a longer period of time and so on, once he is banned for a certain amount of times the account would be permanently banned.

And to get rid of users with higher ranks that also make low-quality posts, -which are the one to blame for mods taking this measures-,  they could lose their ranks once they get banned a certain amount of times until they are back to 'newbie' and after that, they would also lose access to their account.

Because the only ones who are getting punished with this measures are those with lower ranks, we will never receive the needed merits to grow up in rank no matter the quality of our posts because no one is going to give their merit to us, but those with higher ranks can still keep posting crapy posts and nothing happens to them.

*What I mean by that is, like we all know, no one likes to be giving something away (even if it has no value, people like higher numbers and don't like newbies), but they have no problems with reporting something they don't like. So, instead of 'giving' merits for the quality of the post, taking something away that one already own for low-quality posts will have a way bigger impact on the quality of the posts. And so everybody, and not just those with lower ranks, are going to think twice before posting any crap...

Honestly, these are my thoughts exactly

And I have to tell you that I don't feel like giving out rewards, so this is an apparent flaw, deficiency, or imperfection in this system. And making s-merits burn after some time is not going to change anything, at least as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather let them burn than give them to posters which I don't find worthy enough. And this is the gist of the matter. Old-timers here have become very pesky and meticulous about the quality and constructiveness (or lack thereof, huh) of the posts of other users, especially novice members. And this is where the benefit system could kick in and make the old-timers less reluctant. To sum it up, in addition to merits we also need a system that would incentivize higher ranks to share their s-merits with newbies

It is very bad idea. Newbie can help newbie. Lots of newbies can help newbies and probably they will just abuse it. On 1 honest newbie I am pretty sure there are 100 abusers

Vod gave kmdr 3 merits for constructive post and look what happened after it

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Think there could be a Nmerit (Newbie merit),yes
it could be distributed among all  the new members during the registration,maybe all the current accounts up to the Jr.member rank,included -100 Nmerit each
the Nmerits can only be given to hero and legendary members,who recieve half a sMerit for each Nmerit they get,
also maybe introduce some badges people love so much aka top newbie helper or something equally shiny
in ideal world this should get higher ranked members out of their ivory towers more often to help newbies
although I'm not sure if it is possible technically or solves problems with multiaccounting
but it should be much easier to trace connections between such,for sure and we are here to brainstorm and suggest ideas-it's only those who do nothing that make no mistakes

I thought it over and I think there is a solution

This problem can be tackled in the following way. For example, when a user registers here, the new account will be credited with 100 benefits. But they would be useless as such. Users could only give them to a higher-ranked member (those who help them), and only Legendary members will have them converted to s-merits (they can receive only benefits while newbies only merits). The advantage of such system is twofold. First, there will be an organic source of new s-merits, i.e. no more s-merits printed out of thin air (while benefits should be converted to the same number of s-merits), and, second, forum "keyboard warriors" could easily trace the flow of benefits from lower to higher ranks as well as flow of merits in the opposite direction. What is your opinion, guys? I think this could work out

Not a bad idea but should you consider those account farmers who will actually benefit by this? they will get more opportunity to give merits on their other accounts might as well they only create new bitcointalk account just to collect those merits. With this issue I don't merit system will serve it's purpose properly and will only tolerate farming of accounts.

The idea consists in giving new members a certain amount of points (let's call them benefits for simplicity), which they can use to reward users helping them here. It is sort of reflection of the merit system working in reverse order. The purpose of the proposed system would be twofold. First, it is drawing the attention of the long-standing members to the problems of the new user, and second, likely making the latter more constructive by providing a feedback mechanism. So this system would run in tandem with the merit system. You're welcome to discuss my proposal here. Just in case, this is not my idea, it was suggested by user PhuketSunset in this local Russian topic. I only formulated it and brought it here

A quick and dirty fix would be forbidding Legendary members to grant merits to other Legendary members (it is a waste of merits)

Is this system creating an incentive for users to give merits to other users? Even if it does, I don Because I think this is the problem that encompasses all other problems.

In an ideal world established members "should" give merits to newbies who are making  high quality posts, but is there any incentive other than goodwill? Are they penalized if they don't give merits? No, because this would be ridiculous and impossible to implement. Do they have a direct impact on their experience in the forum as a user (similar to how reddit actively rearranges posts based on upvotes)? A no to that as well.

In my opinion, if we can't address that, we will never get the merit system running as it was intended.

Is this system creating an incentive for users to give merits to other users? Even if it does, I don Because I think this is the problem that encompasses all other problems.

In an ideal world established members "should" give merits to newbies who are making  high quality posts, but is there any incentive other than goodwill? Are they penalized if they don't give merits? No, because this would be ridiculous and impossible to implement. Do they have a direct impact on their experience in the forum as a user (similar to how reddit actively rearranges posts based on upvotes)? A no to that as well.

In my opinion, if we can't address that, we will never get the merit system running as it was intended.

you forget  that every 1 Merit recieved gives you 0.5 sMerit,so a Legendary member that grants merit to another Legenadary member gives him half a sMerit to distribute and is not a "profane" waste of merits ,as merits is not a finite resource or a badge of honour or a means to help the members to rank up the main idea of it is to try and  imrove the overall quality of the forum
if I find that a Legendary member's post is of substance and is informative and helpful to the said newbies,do I have to clench my teeth and skip it?

There is matter and there is antimatter

And this is how nature made it. On an even more serious note though, people don't seem very inclined to give their merits, especially to newbies. Someone has given you 5 merits for this post (he has the right, ain't my business), but how many merits have you given to novice members yourself? I see the same names in your sent merits list which I have seen here for years. And even those which I don't know are almost all Hero and Legendary members. Yes, I did run a quick check through the list, and I have found only two Junior members in your list of sent merits (this dude and this one) and not a single Newbie. Now tell me more about how this system is gonna work out. Higher ranks need to be motivated toward meriting novice members somehow. What about disallowing to grant merits to Legendary members by other Legendary members? To me, this is an obvious, heedless, needless, and even profane waste of merits (if we expect this system to be of any merit)

So if Merit is a non-commodity, would that make your idea an alt-non-commodity? 

I'd like to request a new ANC (or nANC) - members get points every time a post gets a "nod from Vod".

Seriously though, no more complication is necessary.  If you see someone providing exceptional help to a newbie, give them merit.