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hosseinimr93

legendary

Activity: 2380

Merit: 5213

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on March 05, 2020, 02:46:48 AM

But seeing your OP now (I didn't know about its existence before), it would be interesting to see a new metric, based on Merits vs. Activity ratio.

Quote from: LoyceV on March 05, 2020, 03:52:14 AM

Even better: correct it for Merit per post instead of Merit per Activity. I made a topic for that a long time ago.

I don't agree with adding merit per post/activity.
Assume that someone asks a simple question. Almost no one will answer that question. Because answering such question doesn't deserve merit and it decreases merit/post (merit/activity).

LFC_Bitcoin

legendary

Activity: 3556

Merit: 9709

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I figure that anybody with a higher Merit to Activity ratio must be a pretty good poster. Having less Merit than Activity once you’ve been posting regularly & registered for 6 months or more hints towards being a little bit of a shit poster.

Anybody agree?

Sonu_titu

member

Activity: 136

Merit: 39

Quote from: fillippone on June 27, 2018, 05:58:12 PM

I accidentally bumped in a user with over 1k posts and almost the same merit.
Is there a way to have a ranking of best user sorted with high ratio?
Time is even scarcer than bitcoin, so I want to effectively use my time to learn from user that posted quality stuff using effectively their time!

If a account holder like you with 1:4::Activity:Merit ratio is looking up to make the contribution efficient then, I need to work harder to be effective. I am ashamed of my way of using time after reading this.

Hats off.

DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2338

Merit: 10802

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain

Quote from: LoyceV on March 05, 2020, 03:52:14 AM

<...>Even better: correct it for Merit per post instead of Merit per Activity<...>

Infact, I did that a couple of days ago, for all profiles (with a few restrictions) although I diluted it into somebody else’s thread, as it was an answer to @DooMAD’s question on the matter. I did delimit the window frame to the last running year, to get a recent reading of the ratio merit/post (see: re: I received 1 merit for exactly 10 posts on average). @fillippone complemented the information with a nice chart on that same thread (see: re: I received 1 merit for exactly 10 posts on average).

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

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Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on March 05, 2020, 02:46:48 AM

It is hard to believe there would be many users with this ratio bigger than 5

There are a few users with low Activity (and only a few posts) and more than 5 Merit per Activity. Some of them deserved, some because they deleted all posts, and some because of Merit abuse (or mistakes).
My ratio is limited by the airdropped Merit and Activity I had already at that point.

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on March 05, 2020, 03:14:00 AM

On the note of Merit/Activity ratio, in order to be fair, it would need a delimited timeframe to cut out or reduce the effect produced by activity generated before the Merit System kicked-off.

Even better: correct it for Merit per post instead of Merit per Activity. I made a topic for that a long time ago.

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on March 05, 2020, 02:46:48 AM

Edit: oh and about nullius, as I saw his name in this topic also - he is above and beyond this system

nullius has not just a Merit vs. Activity ratio > 1; he has a Merits vs. Posts ratio >1

I am at .78 right now. Working on improving this figure!

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on March 05, 2020, 03:14:00 AM

Quote from: fillippone on March 04, 2020, 05:56:00 PM

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You got me here, reviving this thread … I read it a couple of hour ago (still in the crack of dawn) and I didn’t check the date/time in the OP (nor on the answers). At first, I thought you were playing the irony card, alongside a show of (fake) ingenuity to lead others into some kind of plotted trap. As I kept on reading, it seemed pretty weird that people were playing along, and it wasn´t until I was half way through the thread that I spotted the dates …

Nah, I am a simple person. I like lateral humor, but I don't (usually) like planning traps to fellow forum members.

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on March 05, 2020, 03:14:00 AM

On the note of Merit/Activity ratio, in order to be fair, it would need a delimited timeframe to cut out or reduce the effect produced by activity generated before the Merit System kicked-off.

IF there's someone able to achiveve this result, that person is you, Sir.

DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2338

Merit: 10802

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. MTwain

Quote from: fillippone on March 04, 2020, 05:56:00 PM

<…>

You got me here, reviving this thread … I read it a couple of hour ago (still in the crack of dawn) and I didn’t check the date/time in the OP (nor on the answers). At first, I thought you were playing the irony card, alongside a show of (fake) ingenuity to lead others into some kind of plotted trap. As I kept on reading, it seemed pretty weird that people were playing along, and it wasn´t until I was half way through the thread that I spotted the dates …

On the note of Merit/Activity ratio, in order to be fair, it would need a delimited timeframe to cut out or reduce the effect produced by activity generated before the Merit System kicked-off.

Side note: It could be inconsequential but entertaining to have a thread on "Best Noob comments from when I was a Newbie" (i.e. <= Member). I will refrain though.

GazetaBitcoin

legendary

Activity: 1680

Merit: 6524

Fully-fledged Merit Cycler|Spambuster'23|Pie Baker

Congrats fillippone! That's impressive!

Now imagine what ratio you could achieve if you were accepted officially in the Merit Cycling Club =))) Just kidding.

But seeing your OP now (I didn't know about its existence before), it would be interesting to see a new metric, based on Merits vs. Activity ratio. Eventually, it could be something (no matter its name - let's call it just "New Metric") based on certain intervals. I imagine something like this:

- Rank 0: [0 ... 0.25] ratio (remember, this is for Merits vs. Activity, not for Activity vs. Merits)
- Rank 1: [0.26 ... 0.75]
- Rank 2: [0.76 ... 0.175]
- Rank 3: [0.176 ... 3]
- Rank 4: [3.01 ... 5]
- Rank 5: >5.

It is hard to believe there would be many users with this ratio bigger than 5, thus I stopped there the interval. I imagined the interval bigeer from a rank to a superior one, similar to the difficulty of the merits / activity system, which requires way more merits / activity for upper ranks (example: for becoming Junior you need 1 merit, but for becoming Member you need 10, which means 1000% more merits; for Full Member you need 100, which also means 1000% more than the requirement for Member and so on).

And, of course, it would be even more accurate if such a metric would count just the earned merits, not the airdropped ones.

Edit: oh and about nullius, as I saw his name in this topic also - he is above and beyond this system

nullius has not just a Merit vs. Activity ratio > 1; he has a Merits vs. Posts ratio >1

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

Quote from: fillippone on June 28, 2018, 12:21:18 AM

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 27, 2018, 11:02:15 PM

This is a useless metric IMO because there's so much subjectivity in getting merits, and the fact that you can receive up to 50 per member per post. Yes, in some cases it's useful in demonstrating who's a good writer (like nullius), but there are just too many nonsense variables to even pay attention to. I think probably a lot of people feel that way, since I've seen this mentioned before and no one seems to think merit:activity is significant.

I appreciate the intellectual honesty, from the first person I see having this ratio >1.
Yes, I am newbie and you are the second experienced user telling me this is a shitty metric: yet I have to find a relevant one.

F1

Me from the past: surprised to see someone with merit/activity>1.
Me from the present:merit/activity>4

coin5haker

member

Activity: 350

Merit: 16

~bitcoin enthusiast~

The interesting tool you building here. I bet nullius will be on top. But for majority of users here (sadly including me) ratio would be close to 0. I think only 20 users or so can score ratio above 1. This doesn't mean merit system failed, just we need to try harder.

shilpyh

copper member

Activity: 210

Merit: 7

There is no such a option called merit and activity ratio. One single post can get 100 merits but you can get 14 activity by 14 posts and activity will update after 14 days.

mdayonliner

copper member

Activity: 630

Merit: 420

We are Bitcoin!

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 27, 2018, 11:02:15 PM

...the fact that you can receive up to 50 per member per post...

Safe to say - per 30 days. Hope you don't mind point the correct one?

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177

Is there a limit on how many merits I can send?

Yes. You can give a max of 50 merit to a user every 30 days.

TheUltraElite

legendary

Activity: 2898

Merit: 1253

So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

Quote from: fillippone on June 27, 2018, 05:58:12 PM

I am quite new to this board, so I am trying to provide the best post I could as I find the merit system a good way to raise the signal/noise ratio.

err what? Why do you even bother about the merit system? Start posting meaningful content in the forum and soon merit will come after you. Then you wont have to chase after merits. Cheesy

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I accidentally bumped in a user with over 1k posts and almost the same merit.

There were default merits to every user at the time of introduction of merit system. So a Legenedary member here on introduction of merit system receives 1000 Merits. So I guess that was what you saw.

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Is there a way to have a ranking of best user sorted with high ratio?

No idea. But what is the need?

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Time is even scarcer than bitcoin, so I want to effectively use my time to learn from user that posted quality stuff using effectively their time!

If it was from the default merit distribution at the start of merit system - then that person may have been a shitposter. Tongue

Jet Cash

legendary

Activity: 2814

Merit: 2472

https://JetCash.com

I'm nearly at 1000/1000, but as has been pointed out, that'a a pretty useless ratio for analysis. I had a lot of activity when the merit system started, and I received an initial reward of 500 as a hero. If you want to check my merit history, then LoyceV created a list for me -
http://talkmerit.com/projects/merit-history.html

Please don't create a stupid, useless infographic about it, I put people on ignore for cluttering up threads with stuff like that.

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021

Quote from: fillippone on June 27, 2018, 05:58:12 PM

Is there a way to have a ranking of best user sorted with high ratio?

Top-merited users, all-time
Top-merited users, recent merit
All users who received 1 or more Merit (this shows only earned Merit, excluding the initial "airdrop".

Quote from: fillippone on June 28, 2018, 12:21:18 AM

I appreciate the intellectual honesty, from the first person I see having this ratio >1.

Forget about this ratio, it's heavily biased by the airdrop. "Merit earned" is what you're looking for.

fillippone

legendary

Activity: 2268

Merit: 16328

Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on June 27, 2018, 11:02:15 PM

This is a useless metric IMO because there's so much subjectivity in getting merits, and the fact that you can receive up to 50 per member per post. Yes, in some cases it's useful in demonstrating who's a good writer (like nullius), but there are just too many nonsense variables to even pay attention to. I think probably a lot of people feel that way, since I've seen this mentioned before and no one seems to think merit:activity is significant.

I appreciate the intellectual honesty, from the first person I see having this ratio >1.
Yes, I am newbie and you are the second experienced user telling me this is a shitty metric: yet I have to find a relevant one.

F1

The Sceptical Chymist

legendary

Activity: 3500

Merit: 6981

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This is a useless metric IMO because there's so much subjectivity in getting merits, and the fact that you can receive up to 50 per member per post. Yes, in some cases it's useful in demonstrating who's a good writer (like nullius), but there are just too many nonsense variables to even pay attention to. I think probably a lot of people feel that way, since I've seen this mentioned before and no one seems to think merit:activity is significant.

Steamtyme

legendary

Activity: 1554

Merit: 2037

Could you link the user?

The thing with merit is that if the user is a legendary they could in theory have become legendary anywhere between 775 and 1030 activity.

So if they had 1000 posts between January 2014 ( i think) and January 2018 before the merit started it would seem extraordinary if you don't understand how the roll out happened.

If you were legendary when the merit dropped you then had 1000 merit from day one.

ghettao

newbie

Activity: 2

Merit: 0

What would you like to to do with that data ? Members with such stats can be counted on fingers.

Probinus

jr. member

Activity: 84

Merit: 5

Quote from: bitmover on June 27, 2018, 08:42:51 PM

I keep an eye on this ratio too.
1 activity=1day posting on the forum, basically.

If you have activity=merit, so you get one merit daily. ~~Except for those users who received free merits~~..

By keeping the data on 1:1 post to merit ratio you could get the difference on how one could likely get a merit for every post they make. Start off with top merited users of all time that would be a good start to check those users.

Time would be a great factor but just as what funsponge said

Quote from: funsponge on June 27, 2018, 06:00:42 PM

It doesn't provide accurate data because the initial merit people start off with wasn't earned through the merit system but was granted for free.

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