Topic: [MERIT][NSFN] We're destroying more merits than we're sending. Like, way more. - page 2. (Read 2304 times)
October 25, 2018, 05:03:29 PM
Nice statistics breakdown of merit source and abusers. Now before earning a merit, you've to clarify in all reasonable doubt that your post worth it. I believe someday I will earn more merits like you bosses
October 25, 2018, 04:40:33 PM
the Forum administrator can derived a means to retrieve sMerits from accounts BEFORE BANNING. my opinion to reduce Merit lost.
Forum Admin can create as many Merit as he wants. Merit isn't scarce.Based on your characterization of the situation, LoyceV, I hate to observe that smerits seem to be based on a system that is resembling ethereum than bitcoin - which is that the forum system can print smerits as liked - so forum members (or even members of the public) are never going to know how many smerits are going to be in existence - for example, 10 years from now?
By the way, I agree with the overall point, that even though there can be aspects of decentralization in a forum like this, with current systems, it would be quite imprudent (and perhaps irresponsible) for any owner to completely decentralize such a system.
October 25, 2018, 03:48:56 PM
A friend got Banned for making inquires of his previous Banned account.
That sounds like grave injustice. What's your friend's name?
October 25, 2018, 03:25:32 PM
the Forum administrator can derived a means to retrieve sMerits from accounts BEFORE BANNING. my opinion to reduce Merit lost.
Forum Admin can create as many Merit as he wants. Merit isn't scarce. October 25, 2018, 03:19:38 PM
16,224 sMerit is held by autobanned users (including the initial sMerit).
I believe those account are ban they are also merit abuser. Especially newbie and Jr. Members. Because a quality poster shouldn't ban. Those are baned obviously they are connected with corruption somehow. So it's not bad corrupted and abuser got ban. Never mind few merit are decay, they didn't used their smerit on good post. Here is merit source to recover it. I think smerit limit should increase for merit source.
A friend got Banned for making inquires of his previous Banned account.
the Forum administrator can derived a means to retrieve sMerits from accounts BEFORE BANNING. my opinion to reduce Merit lost.
October 24, 2018, 05:24:10 AM
Where do you guys find all these stats? I'm still new but like to see stats of before and after the rule change.
I'm looking for the pre-change stats most of all of how many members in each rank.
verus
after change rank standing
SORRY for the off topic
Thanks
I'm looking for the pre-change stats most of all of how many members in each rank.
verus
after change rank standing
SORRY for the off topic
Thanks
I don't have much info beyond recent bans but there are some threads in Meta that deal with ranks:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/log-the-ranked-up-members-congratulations-4850225
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-of-demoted-jr-members-who-were-ranked-up-again-5037073
etc.
Don't worry. It's related to the topic. I'm also curious btw, I'm not sure if they gather all the data from bpip.org.
I'm scraping myself because I'm not aware of any other source for aggregated merit+ban data.
I suggest every member who has spent less than 10% of their sMerits get a "DICK" badge under their username.
That's sexist. It needs to be "CUNT" printed in TMAN's accent.
But jokes aside, I know this is not related to the topic but what truly intrigues me is that 4 legendary members got nuked/banned during the past three weeks. Who are these accounts for? Why would they get banned after becoming a legendary.
Plagiarism most likely:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/foserfox-485194
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/klf-369702
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/guigui371-207818
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zyronx-255259
And 3 more have been banned since last update:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/smartiphone-374823
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/whiteshum-61208
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/trollercoaster-513294
Hello suchmoon
I can't send you a private message since i am now a newbie.
But this is what i wanted to send you :
Quote
hello,
As a result of you report i got banned.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46930137
I am the User 207818 whose alias is guigui371
I was just wondering if you didnt do a mistake ?
I've been around for quote a while, not posting much and no spaming.
See the full list of my message for the past 12 months
i've have started a topic in Meta to seek the reason why of my ban.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47213355
would you be able to give more information about the reason behind your reporting.
I would have imagined that being a lengendary, and having some quality post and even a tutorial on my local board (french) about how to use VanityGen to generate personalised BTC addresses would not make me someone that get ban in a whip.
Have a good day
As a result of you report i got banned.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46930137
I am the User 207818 whose alias is guigui371
I was just wondering if you didnt do a mistake ?
I've been around for quote a while, not posting much and no spaming.
See the full list of my message for the past 12 months
i've have started a topic in Meta to seek the reason why of my ban.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47213355
would you be able to give more information about the reason behind your reporting.
I would have imagined that being a lengendary, and having some quality post and even a tutorial on my local board (french) about how to use VanityGen to generate personalised BTC addresses would not make me someone that get ban in a whip.
Have a good day
October 17, 2018, 09:32:22 AM
It would be interesting to have a breakdown of the bans per generic reason (i.e. plagiarism, etc.), although since that information is not reflected on the modlog I guess there is no way of deriving it. The OP serves as a warning to rule breakers, and the numbers are not small, affecting all ranks when one would expect that Sr. Members and above would know better. Shame that many will not even see this kind of post and reflect upon it.
I'm sure plagiarism is the main reason. At least 3400 (of the 6700 total) have been banned after a plagiarism report. However:
- I have no way of knowing if the report was the cause for the ban (likely though).
- There is a good chance that many of the other 3300 bans also resulted from plagiarism.
October 17, 2018, 01:46:43 AM
It would be interesting to have a breakdown of the bans per generic reason (i.e. plagiarism, etc.), although since that information is not reflected on the modlog I guess there is no way of deriving it. The OP serves as a warning to rule breakers, and the numbers are not small, affecting all ranks when one would expect that Sr. Members and above would know better. Shame that many will not even see this kind of post and reflect upon it.
October 16, 2018, 06:44:18 PM
Bump - updated for a full month.
October 15, 2018, 06:20:45 PM
Where do you guys find all these stats? I'm still new but like to see stats of before and after the rule change.
I'm looking for the pre-change stats most of all of how many members in each rank.
verus
after change rank standing
SORRY for the off topic
Thanks
I'm looking for the pre-change stats most of all of how many members in each rank.
verus
after change rank standing
SORRY for the off topic
Thanks
I don't have much info beyond recent bans but there are some threads in Meta that deal with ranks:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/log-the-ranked-up-members-congratulations-4850225
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-of-demoted-jr-members-who-were-ranked-up-again-5037073
etc.
Don't worry. It's related to the topic. I'm also curious btw, I'm not sure if they gather all the data from bpip.org.
I'm scraping myself because I'm not aware of any other source for aggregated merit+ban data.
I suggest every member who has spent less than 10% of their sMerits get a "DICK" badge under their username.
That's sexist. It needs to be "CUNT" printed in TMAN's accent.
But jokes aside, I know this is not related to the topic but what truly intrigues me is that 4 legendary members got nuked/banned during the past three weeks. Who are these accounts for? Why would they get banned after becoming a legendary.
Plagiarism most likely:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/foserfox-485194
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/klf-369702
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/guigui371-207818
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zyronx-255259
And 3 more have been banned since last update:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/smartiphone-374823
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/whiteshum-61208
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/trollercoaster-513294
October 15, 2018, 06:04:00 PM
This is good. Merit is going to be hard to find after some point. I have two very important and ideal suggestions to combat this issue:
My suggestion #1:
After sometime, let's fork the merits into MeritPrivate.
These are merits that you can send and receive without any public log.
And at the fork time we send 1-1 MP (MeritPrivate) to everyone who has at least 10 merits on their account.
My suggestion #2:
I see that a lot of Legendary/Hero members are not very generous regarding sending merits to other users. They LOVE receiving merits but they do not care enough to send merits.
I suggest every member who has spent less than 10% of their sMerits get a "DICK" badge under their username.
But jokes aside, I know this is not related to the topic but what truly intrigues me is that 4 legendary members got nuked/banned during the past three weeks. Who are these accounts for? Why would they get banned after becoming a legendary.
My suggestion #1:
After sometime, let's fork the merits into MeritPrivate.
These are merits that you can send and receive without any public log.
And at the fork time we send 1-1 MP (MeritPrivate) to everyone who has at least 10 merits on their account.
My suggestion #2:
I see that a lot of Legendary/Hero members are not very generous regarding sending merits to other users. They LOVE receiving merits but they do not care enough to send merits.
I suggest every member who has spent less than 10% of their sMerits get a "DICK" badge under their username.
But jokes aside, I know this is not related to the topic but what truly intrigues me is that 4 legendary members got nuked/banned during the past three weeks. Who are these accounts for? Why would they get banned after becoming a legendary.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1565
The first decentralized crypto betting platform
October 15, 2018, 04:51:19 PM
Where do you guys find all these stats? I'm still new but like to see stats of before and after the rule change.
I'm looking for the pre-change stats most of all of how many members in each rank.
verus
after change rank standing
SORRY for the off topic
Thanks
I'm looking for the pre-change stats most of all of how many members in each rank.
verus
after change rank standing
SORRY for the off topic
Thanks
Don't worry. It's related to the topic. I'm also curious btw, I'm not sure if they gather all the data from bpip.org.
October 15, 2018, 04:41:43 PM
Where do you guys find all these stats? I'm still new but like to see stats of before and after the rule change.
I'm looking for the pre-change stats most of all of how many members in each rank.
verus
after change rank standing
SORRY for the off topic
Thanks
I'm looking for the pre-change stats most of all of how many members in each rank.
verus
after change rank standing
SORRY for the off topic
Thanks
October 15, 2018, 02:18:50 PM
Those are getting ban with merits, I believe there are more than 50% merit abuser. Most of ban are happening for plagiarism. I don't believe they have earned merits by quality post. Most of them has abused by trading or buy.
On the other hand, I noticed from my experience that most merit abuser has got red tagged previously. I have found few case that they are tagged before abuse. Most likely they sold merit. Especially after implement new merit system lately. It's become much difficult to prevent. Because those are already tagged they never care about rules and didn't worry about new tag.
On the other hand, I noticed from my experience that most merit abuser has got red tagged previously. I have found few case that they are tagged before abuse. Most likely they sold merit. Especially after implement new merit system lately. It's become much difficult to prevent. Because those are already tagged they never care about rules and didn't worry about new tag.
October 15, 2018, 01:43:40 PM
This could either only mean that we are sending merits to the wrong people or people who have farmed accounts are sending merits to their alt accounts. So many wasted merits but we cannot stop them all as they have the whole control on who will be the receiver of their own sMerits, this could drastically change if people know how to read the rules and mainly stop plagiarizing and start doing their own creative post. This thing is really avoidable if people are willing to learn they know what they will post on their own.
In the grand scheme of things we aren't sending that many merits "to the wrong people":
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban
~300 on average per month although these are just the top senders. But even if it's ~500 per month that's still just a drop in the bucket. And the farms will eventually dry out - there is no feasible way for them to replenish their banned merits.
October 15, 2018, 01:28:16 PM
This could either only mean that we are sending merits to the wrong people or people who have farmed accounts are sending merits to their alt accounts. So many wasted merits but we cannot stop them all as they have the whole control on who will be the receiver of their own sMerits, this could drastically change if people know how to read the rules and mainly stop plagiarizing and start doing their own creative post. This thing is really avoidable if people are willing to learn they know what they will post on their own.
October 15, 2018, 01:06:29 PM
<...>Has anyone worked out how much merit is available and waiting to be awarded?
If we add up all forum member accounts, there are at least 34k unspent sMerits, originated in the halving process that are ready to be awarded. That is based on the positive aggregate for all users of: floor(Received merit/2) – Sent smerit. Nevertheless, there is much more as we know, since the initial sMerit airdrop was of 600K and so far, the total amount awarded is of 245,5K. On top of that, there are the up to 23k monthly sMerits in the Merit Source pool.
October 15, 2018, 12:48:27 PM
Has anyone worked out how much merit is available and waiting to be awarded?
Theymos airdropped about 600k sMerit, sources create 23k sMerit per month (but don't use all of it), 250k sMerit has been rewarded (which created another 125k sMerit), and some sMerit holders must be banned by now. My estimate would be that at least 500k sMerit (twice as much as has been rewarded until now!) is available. legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1565
The first decentralized crypto betting platform
October 15, 2018, 12:27:28 PM
Just restrict signatures to members and above.
Or restrict lower ranked signatures to just one line of text - no formatting. That is a traditional signature.
I don’t think that’s a good idea because when the merit system was implemented, juniors weren’t able to have clickable signatures, but they still had non-clickable ones, and many spamties campaigns were paying them to post crap with those signatures.
I agree with hilariousetc that signatures must be restricted to members and above.
October 15, 2018, 11:35:28 AM
Do you mean merit or their smerit?
For example, if Full member has 100 merits by default and we add them up, what does it mean- can we say that these merits has been wasted.
If this amount was airdropped to user, then it does not account to much
But if we would add up the smerits that would be more appropriate for term " wasted" since it is something that could have been used productively.
For example, if Full member has 100 merits by default and we add them up, what does it mean- can we say that these merits has been wasted.
If this amount was airdropped to user, then it does not account to much
But if we would add up the smerits that would be more appropriate for term " wasted" since it is something that could have been used productively.
I'm adding up merit. I can't see anyone's sMerit except my own.
We can debate if "wasted" is the right word but the fact is that we have hordes of shitposters complaining how hard it is to rank up and here we see what they do with those ranks. To me that looks like a waste from their own perspective. They are throwing away their airdropped/hard earned/bought merits by breaking forum rules and getting banned. Personally I don't have a problem with it, just like Jet Cash above. Merits are not scarce. The bad ones getting "wasted" is perfect. Allows the good ones to float to the top.
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