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legendary
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August 21, 2020, 10:40:05 PM
#27
Merits are given away for much stupider reasons on a daily basis.

You shouldn't care. It's not hurting anybody.

People who are participating in such a contest and others like it are likely to be overall contributors to the forum as they actively care enough about the forum to get merits.

1. Can you trade merit?

This is where I draw the line. Sales or trade of merit should be discouraged. For the most part, Theymos has encouraged a "hands off" approach as far regulating / issuing negative trust for any sort of merit giving was involved. So if a negative trust is to be issued for merit sales/trading, there needs to be pretty substantial evidence behind it.

Nobody should just be handing out negative trust for giving away merits in contests. Even the most superfluous case of merit giving ever for a contest (by a merit source no less) was never given negative trust over the issue. They did lose their merit source status, however.
legendary
Activity: 2534
Merit: 1713
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August 21, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
#26
Still no official clarification about this.

Is the distributing of merits in this manner a violation or not?
legendary
Activity: 2086
Merit: 1282
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August 21, 2020, 02:09:55 PM
#25
I don't see anything wrong in this kind of merit competition rewards.
Many people are sending merits for good posts, and correct prediction of anything can be considered as good.
Also, there is nothing against the rules here, correct me if I am wrong.
This is just my personal opinion.
legendary
Activity: 2254
Merit: 2406
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August 21, 2020, 01:39:42 PM
#24
During my time on the forum I have seen merits awarded in a variety of ways, some which were completely rational and others which were quite bizzare to me, this ranges from give aways to newbies, merit for gifs and some other sort of give away for unsavoury comments on CSW. I had my personal opinion on them, but they were not my merits and I couldn't dictate how they could be given. I would only consider an intervention when it was unethical, like merit sales or using it to incentivise posting in an ANN thread, sort of like paid bumps. In these cases the trust system which is equally unregulated by the forum could be used to check it.

Except in cases of extreme abuse, I would rather not scrutinize merit giving as everyone has diverse opinions on what they think is deserving of it.
staff
Activity: 2408
Merit: 2021
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August 21, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
#23
Good!! So,
1. Can you trade merit?
2. Can you give merit to your alt account?

1. I could, but I never would do it (unless I was a complete idiot).
2. Surprisingly, I don't have an alt account.

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giving merit like this should be stopped immediately.

Shall we talk about the merits sent in the WO ? Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3304
Merit: 8633
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August 21, 2020, 01:04:22 PM
#22
because i have no desire for red flaggs from some users, i have now decided to remove the merit reward for this competition
stay healthy Wink
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
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August 21, 2020, 12:50:41 PM
#21
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this is a very good argument👍

Do you work for Sportsbet? Do you get paid for those merits?

nope, in no way have any relationship with sportsbet.io or any other betting provider
i do all this just for fun and enjoyment in this forum, as a kind of "good reward" for "good football knowledge" Smiley

Then it seems that at least the "selling merits" accusation in Quicksy's post is completely false.

Personally I don't see a problem awarding merits for participating in a skill-based gamble (as opposed to e.g. merely rolling a dice) but as you can see there's plenty of folks willing to burn you at the stake for this so you might want to remove that merit offer and just reward the merits as you see fit.
legendary
Activity: 3304
Merit: 8633
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August 21, 2020, 12:41:20 PM
#20
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this is a very good argument👍

Do you work for Sportsbet? Do you get paid for those merits?

nope, in no way have any relationship with sportsbet.io or any other betting provider
i do all this just for fun and enjoyment in this forum, as a kind of "good reward" for "good football knowledge" Smiley
legendary
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August 21, 2020, 12:36:11 PM
#19
So who will but first he will get all the funds plus 20 merits. Am I right? And seems there is 2nd & 3rd prize as well which are distributing with merits. That means even your prediction becomes 3rd place somehow on the competition, you will not get merits unless you pay the participation fees. Nah, I wouldn't agree with that kind of gamble where the prize will be rewarded by merits. So even the worst poster would be a good predictor and would get merit rewards if participate in the competitions. Moderators should discourage from such as competition, otherwise, we might encounter so many such as thread which would lead to merit abuse. Merit was introduced as a reward of good posters & contributors, not for gambling rewards.

If the merit sender wants to reward someone for putting their money where their mouth is - that's fine with me. Unless you can prove some sort of secret scheme whereby the whole thing is rigged to allow shitposters/sockpuppets/etc to win the contest and get undeserved merits it's really a huge stretch to call it abuse. Meriting a post that you think doesn't deserve merit is not abuse.

this is a very good argument👍

Do you work for Sportsbet? Do you get paid for those merits?
legendary
Activity: 3304
Merit: 8633
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August 21, 2020, 12:26:15 PM
#18
I haven't given it any more thought. Since there have been such threads/raffles/actions several times and nobody ever had a problem with it, it was tolerated until now.

If this is a violation of rules we can of course change that.

If not I would leave it as it is Smiley

i see it the same way as mole0815 - if it does not follow the forum rules, i will of course remove the merit reward from the prize pool
i just wanted to do something good and i wasn't aware of it now


As a prize for guessing the correct “answer” or winner, no that is wrong, and should be condemned. If the “answer” requires a substantial amount of work, knowledge or research, giving merits for a correct answer may be acceptable.

It appears that Sportsbet is effectively selling merit, which is against the spirit of the merit system.

this is a very good argument👍
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 2226
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August 21, 2020, 12:15:20 PM
#17
Every user has to add at least X BTC into the prize pool and the winner (the person with the most points after the season) gets all the BTC inside.
And apparently one user also "added" merit into the prize pool.
So who will but first he will get all the funds plus 20 merits. Am I right? And seems there is 2nd & 3rd prize as well which are distributing with merits. That means even your prediction becomes 3rd place somehow on the competition, you will not get merits unless you pay the participation fees. Nah, I wouldn't agree with that kind of gamble where the prize will be rewarded by merits. So even the worst poster would be a good predictor and would get merit rewards if participate in the competitions. Moderators should discourage from such as competition, otherwise, we might encounter so many such as thread which would lead to merit abuse. Merit was introduced as a reward of good posters & contributors, not for gambling prize.
hero member
Activity: 2366
Merit: 793
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August 21, 2020, 11:52:40 AM
#16
Merits shouldn't be used in such a way, yes users can do merit any post if they want but to have the effective system it should be used for the right cause.Because they are using merit as token for that they are supposed to receive money so its like trading the merits. But only admin can comment on this to know what can be done.
hero member
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Merit: 624
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August 21, 2020, 11:47:25 AM
#15
but everyone can do what he wants with his merits.
Good!! So,
1. Can you trade merit?
2. Can you give merit to your alt account?

And apparently one user also "added" merit into the prize pool.
It is not right and it is opposite the aim of creating of merit system. giving merit like this should be stopped immediately.
legendary
Activity: 2534
Merit: 1713
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August 21, 2020, 11:44:35 AM
#14
There is a difference between being tolerated and it being a violation.

Can you please confirm if this is actually a violation or not. Thank you.


I haven't given it any more thought. Since there have been such threads/raffles/actions several times and nobody ever had a problem with it, it was tolerated until now.

If this is a violation of rules we can of course change that.

If not I would leave it as it is Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 2481
August 21, 2020, 11:16:27 AM
#13
The thing I am not getting is "prize poll " when I have translated into English. Seems there is participation fee is in bitcoin, so why prize outcome is merit?

Every user has to add at least X BTC into the prize pool and the winner (the person with the most points after the season) gets all the BTC inside.
And apparently one user also "added" merit into the prize pool.
legendary
Activity: 2408
Merit: 2226
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August 21, 2020, 11:10:58 AM
#12
The thing I am not getting is "prize pool " when I have translated into English. Seems there is participation fee is in bitcoin, so why prize outcome is merit? I am not sure if the merit award is additional besides of BTC reward. But since there is a deal with Bitcoin which is participation fee then merit shouldn't announce as an award. Announce merit reward for constructive discussion isn't wrong, or if merit send on the same thread for constructive discussion wouldn't wrong. But announce as a prize where entry fees by bitcoin aren't right in my personal opinion.

but everyone can do what he wants with his merits.
Nah, wrong information. There is rules for merit sources.
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It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit.
hero member
Activity: 1484
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August 21, 2020, 10:59:47 AM
#11
If merit can be used as a gift for right call on a soccer game then there should have no restrictions of merit trading. I think gifting for right call on a soccer game is same as merit trading. Correct me if I am wrong.
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
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August 21, 2020, 09:14:00 AM
#10
IMO giving away merits as a prize for winning a betting game is inappropriate.

Would it be more appropriate if the prize wasn't announced and the user just merited the winning posts because they want to?

Because the way I see it that's essentially the only potential problem here - does it result in merit being sent to posts that otherwise wouldn't have received merits.
staff
Activity: 2408
Merit: 2021
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August 21, 2020, 08:59:07 AM
#9
There was this kind of topic in the french section with few merits as a reward. I even organized some, just for fun.
The difference with the 2 german topics in OP was that there were ~3-5 merits to be won. 20 merits for the winner is a bit abused (in my opinion), but everyone can do what he wants with his merits.
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 2481
August 21, 2020, 08:55:51 AM
#8
Merits aren't supposed to be given out as prizes unless the contest has something to do with making the best post or something like that--certainly not for making the right call on a soccer game.  That's something I'd probably report to the moderators, though I'm not sure how they'd handle it.
I think merit as a reward for prediction is a very wrong approach. It should not be given for such purpose, only good quality post should be given merits.

I agree with that. Merits should be for good posts, not a prize for betting games.
However i'd say reporting it is pretty useless.


Looks like moderator Mole0815 is aware and condoning it.

So ?


I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with that if it creates a good discussion.

It is a betting game.
The merits have been added to the prize pool, besides some satoshis.

I am not sure on how this could create a good discussion at all.


If this is a violation of rules we can of course change that.

If not I would leave it as it is Smiley

Since - as suchmoon mentioned - merits aren't moderated, it technically can't be a violation (since there are no rules to begin with).
But this completely misses the whole purpose of merits and can be quite "difficult", ethically speaking.


As a prize for guessing the correct “answer” or winner, no that is wrong, and should be condemned. If the “answer” requires a substantial amount of work, knowledge or research, giving merits for a correct answer may be acceptable.

It appears that Sportsbet is effectively selling merit, which is against the spirit of the merit system.

As far as i can see, the merits have been added by a user (cygan) to the prize pool. He doesn't seem to be related to sportsbet.
But i agree with the first part. IMO giving away merits as a prize for winning a betting game is inappropriate.
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