Merits should be given for the lower ranks only.

Karavadinos

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Quote from: honeyira on January 28, 2018, 05:44:38 AM

Sr. Member, Hero and Legendary do they need a merits? These rank should be exempted on merits systems instead they are the one who will judge the lower ranks by giving merits.

These could benefit the forum members as a whole;

1. Newbies that work as a spam will be controlled.
2. It will give an opportunity those newbies that really working hard to rank up in fair time.
(I saw a lot merits just given to the the higher ranks which a post is not really worthy of a merit. majority of the merits just dwell in their realm. Lower
ranks just gets the crumbs)
3. Merits will be distributed fairly to the lower ranks because higher ranks will not think of their merits anymore.

'Hope this post can get crumbs.'

The merit system was brought to the forum to clean it up from spammers, only high qualified posts will be merited no matter what the rank is, still the high ranked people will be the first to judge the small ranks and give merits, but how exactly they judge posts ? on which scale they consider a post high qualified ?, what if you don't share them the same opinion and yet you are qualified, do you think they will still give you a merit ? or just impose their ideas and ignore you because you are a beginner, this is where the problem of the merit system lies, ranking up depends on what people think about you actually, it is a great move but not fair enough.

tekusa

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Quote from: Sasuke102001 on March 05, 2018, 08:34:49 AM

It is the higher rank members of the forum that would be the ones giving merits to us low ranked members based on post quality and other things and for that even they would require sMerits which they will have only if they receive merits so the cycle there has to be a cycle of distribution of merits among the users. What you are doing is just complaining about the system if you wanna rank up make better posts and the higher ranked members that are above us will do there work of giving merits to the people who deserve it.

You are a Full member here and still consider yourself as a low rank member ?

What about junior members like me or newbies ? I guess no one is content here.

I think even the high ranked members do not have much control in the merit system. Most of the merits come from merit sources. But the fact is that a high ranked member has good knowledge about the forum rules and he also makes detailed posts related to bitcoin prices and updates. Thus they good good number of merits and it adds corresponding sMerits in their profile.

blackmagical

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Quote from: honeyira on January 28, 2018, 07:10:52 AM

Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on January 28, 2018, 05:51:13 AM

Quote from: honeyira on January 28, 2018, 05:44:38 AM

Sr. Member, Hero and Legendary do they need a merits? These rank should be exempted on merits systems instead they are the one who will judge the lower ranks by giving merits.

These could benefit the forum members as a whole;

1. Newbies that work as a spam will be controlled.
2. It will give an opportunity those newbies that really working hard to rank up in fair time.
(I saw a lot merits just given to the the higher ranks which a post is not really worthy of a merit. majority of the merits just dwell in their realm. Lower
ranks just gets the crumbs)
3. Merits will be distributed fairly to the lower ranks because higher ranks will not think of their merits anymore.

'Hope this post can get crumbs.'

Those who are in the Sr. Member, Hero and Legendary ranks still needs merits because as you suggested, those ranks will judge the lower ranks by giving merits. If they (Sr. Member, Hero and Legendary) run out of sMerits to give, how can they judge those lower ranks? It's a cycle, they can't give if they don't have receive any.

You can read all of the forum and majority of the merits are in the circle of higher ranks. The lower ranks receive merits just only by chance.

Exactly. It's a game of chances, luck, randomization from higher-qualitied users to lowered my users.

yes, I agree with you, I doubt that post that belongs to high-rank members could earn merits more easy than lower rank members

Sasuke102001

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It is the higher rank members of the forum that would be the ones giving merits to us low ranked members based on post quality and other things and for that even they would require sMerits which they will have only if they receive merits so the cycle there has to be a cycle of distribution of merits among the users. What you are doing is just complaining about the system if you wanna rank up make better posts and the higher ranked members that are above us will do there work of giving merits to the people who deserve it.

greeklogos

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Opinions about shared as I see and I understand arguments of both sides in this point. I think even if you find out a lot of supportes the forum's rules will not be changed in the case of merit system, because of I see people who rule all the staff here (as Lauda) do not find your idea as a good one.

sitnikov

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Quote from: BitNaija on March 05, 2018, 05:19:35 AM

I suggest theymos look into this suggestions.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--3066432

It will offer some other avenue to earn merits in addition to the present system.
Or Legendary and Hero members can adopt this system to improve reviews of what is worthy of meriting.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/14-merit-bonus-for-quality-users-jr-to-sr-member-3046992

This is in a bid to keep the forum strengthened.

I looked at the suggestions in those threads and they are illogical. Here is why :

1) He is suggesting something like giving merit points for certain amount of activity like based on total time logged in. Hearing this suggestion, first thing that comes to mind is that spammers will keep the account logged in for hours to make advantage of this.

2) He also suggested something like giving one merit for posts above 100 words. I have seen some of the responses by spammers here more than 300 words or so and they are just meaning less. They keep stretching the same thing to make posts longer.

superjeyy

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Quote from: nydiacaskey01 on January 28, 2018, 05:51:13 AM

Quote from: honeyira on January 28, 2018, 05:44:38 AM

Sr. Member, Hero and Legendary do they need a merits? These rank should be exempted on merits systems instead they are the one who will judge the lower ranks by giving merits.

These could benefit the forum members as a whole;

1. Newbies that work as a spam will be controlled.
2. It will give an opportunity those newbies that really working hard to rank up in fair time.
(I saw a lot merits just given to the the higher ranks which a post is not really worthy of a merit. majority of the merits just dwell in their realm. Lower
ranks just gets the crumbs)
3. Merits will be distributed fairly to the lower ranks because higher ranks will not think of their merits anymore.

'Hope this post can get crumbs.'

Those who are in the Sr. Member, Hero and Legendary ranks still needs merits because as you suggested, those ranks will judge the lower ranks by giving merits. If they (Sr. Member, Hero and Legendary) run out of sMerits to give, how can they judge those lower ranks? It's a cycle, they can't give if they don't have receive any.

This is exactly the point that the OP and other newbies should understand and comprehend. I always see posts in this section on how the merit system is against lower rank members and how it favors the higher ranked members since they wouldn't need the merits. Well here's the thing: not all higher ranked members are merit sources which is why the circulation of merits towards each member, no matter what rank, should be sustained. Despite their high rank, Senior, Hero, and Legendary members are eligible in receiving merits as they are the ones who can spread it around the forum efficiently. Just think of the merit system this way, it doesn't favor any rank as its continual circulation is needed for members to progress in this forum.

BitNaija

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Quote from: honeyira on January 28, 2018, 05:44:38 AM

Sr. Member, Hero and Legendary do they need a merits? These rank should be exempted on merits systems instead they are the one who will judge the lower ranks by giving merits.

These could benefit the forum members as a whole;

1. Newbies that work as a spam will be controlled.
2. It will give an opportunity those newbies that really working hard to rank up in fair time.
(I saw a lot merits just given to the the higher ranks which a post is not really worthy of a merit. majority of the merits just dwell in their realm. Lower
ranks just gets the crumbs)
3. Merits will be distributed fairly to the lower ranks because higher ranks will not think of their merits anymore.

'Hope this post can get crumbs.'

I suggest theymos look into this suggestions.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--3066432

It will offer some other avenue to earn merits in addition to the present system.
Or Legendary and Hero members can adopt this system to improve reviews of what is worthy of meriting.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/14-merit-bonus-for-quality-users-jr-to-sr-member-3046992

This is in a bid to keep the forum strengthened.

criz2fer

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Merit: 127

Quote from: honeyira on January 28, 2018, 05:44:38 AM

Sr. Member, Hero and Legendary do they need a merits? These rank should be exempted on merits systems instead they are the one who will judge the lower ranks by giving merits.

These could benefit the forum members as a whole;

1. Newbies that work as a spam will be controlled.
2. It will give an opportunity those newbies that really working hard to rank up in fair time.
(I saw a lot merits just given to the the higher ranks which a post is not really worthy of a merit. majority of the merits just dwell in their realm. Lower
ranks just gets the crumbs)
3. Merits will be distributed fairly to the lower ranks because higher ranks will not think of their merits anymore.

'Hope this post can get crumbs.'

More and more merit farmer. Trying another suggestion and making plead just to earn merit from a quality posting. All of these are all over the meta. The current merit system will not adjust for posters that could not even make a simple understanding about the rules.

belyaevi

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Quote from: 19faraon88 on March 04, 2018, 09:53:11 PM

I'm agree in Merit point is entitled only in lower ranks but merit points created for all of us, so that all we should be post have a meaning and great quality. I think their is another purpose why the higher ranks also entitled in Merit Point. Forum always open in changes, just do our best, always.

There can be a number of other reasons for admin allowing merits for higher rank members:

1) He might have decided to add requirements like having some minimum earned merits to retain the current rank. If the merit points were limited to only the new members and this change was introduced, it would mean that all high rank members will loose their rank.

2) We can also have something like the requirement of getting some merits per year. Othwerwise it really makes no sense to allow merits for the highest rank here as they do not need it.

19faraon88

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I'm agree in Merit point is entitled only in lower ranks but merit points created for all of us, so that all we should be post have a meaning and great quality. I think their is another purpose why the higher ranks also entitled in Merit Point. Forum always open in changes, just do our best, always.

Tyrantt

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Quote from: Gaman on January 30, 2018, 06:21:12 AM

True. It seems so hard to get a merit .. that it is seemingly impossible to increase in rank.

Well you've said it nicely, it seems hard to get merit but it somewhat actually isn't at all. Right now, merit is still new and most likely some posts that deserve merit didn't get merited and all of us have different understanding of quality, so just give it some time.

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Quote from: honeyira on January 28, 2018, 05:44:38 AM

'Hope this post can get crumbs.'

Take care with your posting - begging for merit is not allowed.

The Sceptical Chymist

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I don't agree with most of what OP wrote, and it sounds like just another noobie thread complaining about not getting merits *fast enough*.

As for myself, I obviously don't need merits to rank up, but I think it's somewhat important to campaign managers when they're looking at a potential participant's quality of "work". I know DarkStar_ very much keeps track of the merits that have been earned in the Chipmixer campaign, though he hasn't used it to fire anyone or anything else.

When someone sends me merit(s) for posts I've made that they like, I've thus far given the sMerits back in the manner of paying it forward. And if you look at my "sent merits" history, I've given quite a few of them to unknown (to me), low-ranked members.

I agree that it's the low-ranked members who need them most, but I've also noticed that it's these same ones who tend to make some of the shittiest posts I've ever read on bitcointalk. There are too many noobs, alt accounts, and throwaway ones for them to ever receive the amount of merit they're expecting. What they need to do is just be patient.

The merit system is kind of designed to let people rank up slowly--except if you're nullius, making a lot of very high-quality posts. Everyone else just needs to wait.

qwk

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Quote from: Crypington on January 28, 2018, 11:25:06 PM

I think what he is saying is the top rankings should just get unlimited merit to give and progress normally to the next level.

That won't work.
Accounts will be hacked, this "unlimited merit" will fall into the hands of "merit-dealers".

RYXES

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ACVinegar

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Actually newbies, jr. members, members, full members and senior members are the bracket who needs to earned high numbers of merits to ranked up. After that hero members was not needed it too much merit to rank up, because they are at the point that they need only to wait to complete their merit to reach out the legendary position. In real it's hard for them to gain merit but we have no choice, we need to follow the new rules system, for now I believe that merit system should given to lower rank only.

honeyira

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Quote from: TMAN on January 30, 2018, 04:56:46 AM

Quote from: honeyira on January 28, 2018, 05:44:38 AM

Sr. Member, Hero and Legendary do they need a merits? These rank should be exempted on merits systems instead they are the one who will judge the lower ranks by giving merits.

These could benefit the forum members as a whole;

1. Newbies that work as a spam will be controlled.
2. It will give an opportunity those newbies that really working hard to rank up in fair time.
(I saw a lot merits just given to the the higher ranks which a post is not really worthy of a merit. majority of the merits just dwell in their realm. Lower
ranks just gets the crumbs)
3. Merits will be distributed fairly to the lower ranks because higher ranks will not think of their merits anymore.

'Hope this post can get crumbs.'

Blatant Merit farming like this just wont work..

newbies have not been given merit as there are so many farmers out there, how will that help the system? think of it like a champagne pyramid, the merit will get to the bottom eventually. Some of us are pouring it at all levels, others like Lauda will not give to anyone they do not know or deal with, but the main point is that it will trickle down in time.

People calling this thread a blatant farming of merits is blatant too. Where the point that this thread is a merits farming? this is just a simple opinion that man called it blatant could not comprehend.

honeyira

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Quote from: Lauda on January 30, 2018, 01:55:12 AM

Quote from: honeyira on January 29, 2018, 02:51:57 PM

even you are receiving merits you dont bother to give to the lower ranks. what makes a difference then?

Why would I give random spammers any merit? E.g., this thread is a nice example of attempted, yet failed, quality posting.

Thanks Lauda for a kind words. All newbies should look up you as a model of quality posting. I just couldn't believe that there is a Legendary act like a spammer.

BTCeminjas

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Quote from: Jet Cash on January 30, 2018, 06:03:37 AM

Merit points won't make any difference to me as a forum member - there really isn't much difference between a Hero and a Legendary when it comes to benefits.

However, what the awarding of merit points will do is to allow me to hone and focus my thread starting amd posting. No merit points for as category of posts means that nobody is interested, so I can stop posting about that topic, or in that form. The merit system has already made me change my attitude towards the forum. I have decided to explore and support the expanding world of crypto bounties which is such an important element on this forum.

Lucky for those account member did not need merits for ranking up more like Legendary and Hero member, but how about just like me as a lower rank it is impossible to have an merit if they like to give because i am lower rank. Many good poster did not recognized their post especially those lower ranks as what i have observed even though they are deserving to have a merit not like high rank.
Those higher rank having more smerit compared with lower rank i think they must give attention of it. For me i have 1 smerit to give how could i give more for those i think must deserving to have.

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