Topic: MGTOW's among bitcointalkers (Read 1012 times)

At the present state of my research, if I had to pick an 'it all started' point, it would be in the general area of https://www.google.com/maps/@50.1068382,8.6684632,11z and starting about the time of the U.S. declaration of independence* with the joining of forces of thee particular individuals:  Jakob Leibowicz (aka, Frank), Adam Weishaupt, and A. M. Bauer (aka, Rothschild)

I would classify Lenin as just another of a long list of tools used to achieve some of the goals these people focused on.  Ya, the Bolshevik revolution achieved a high death count and degree of general misery, but not enough to beckon the mashiach and usher in the world-wide total domination of God's chosen people from the third temple.  But maybe some of the Chabad-Lubavitchers (e.g., future POTUS Ivanka and first-dude Jared) are right and their Rebbe Mendelssohn was 'anointed' and the end-game is in sight.  Some people really are hard at work breeding 'golden heifers' and engaging in related efforts so who knows?

(*) It may not be completely coincidental.  Some of the main 'founding fathers' were highly intelligent, well traveled, and well acquainted with 'enlightenment' figures of the time...and reasonably counted themselves among them.  Evidence of this can be found in certain of their ideas and some of these associated with monetary matters and 'foreign entanglements'.

Theory of catastrophism? I'm with you on that. Nothing makes geologists, botanists, biologists etc. more angry!  Although thanks to vigorous debates and truly scientific approach, more and more of them tend to agree or at least are less condescending.



How all this correlate with MGTOW? You guess it, its about a lie, monstrous lie that was implanted in our brains since first days of our lives.
It all triggered at the beginning of year 1905, in this general area 59°56′N 30°16′E and its still raging across the world, with destruction of anything that's even remotely connected with freedom.

Inspired by other events to note this thread...

This really is an interesting question to me.  Currently I have some real questions about it, and some real critiques of those to whom 'overpopulation' creates a ding-salivate response.  And those who buy the former's propaganda.  And those 'scientist' of the former group who are simply to lazy to do the math and/or ethical analysis.  And those who live in pockets of overpopulation and have not traveled enough to look at the real world...or simply fired up Google Earth.

Thoughtful people who fall into one of the above categories would do well to ask themselves whether they are actually more close to a religion than they are to anything else.

I suspect that 'evil humans' actually did some significant modification to the earth and to Mother-Earth's inventory of species, but 'our destructiveness' apexed about 30,000 years ago when we started using fire to set ablaze anything flammable, and our impact has been declining ever since.  And especially in the modern age where the groups of humans who have the real power to wipe things out are remarkably conscientious about not doing so.

Simple mathematics demonstrate that 'we' will provoke a 'crisis' at some point, but are we really near that point yet?  The answer is, to me, a subject of considerable debate.  'We' change things wherever we operate, but other organisms and natural processes (meteors, solar shifts, etc) do as well, and there are both winners and losers in all such events.  When organisms learned how to harness the power of the sun and started putting oxygen into the atmosphere, it 'destroyed' the planet on a scale much more violently than humans could muster.  Oxygen is an extremely reactive element which lays waste to almost everything it touches including most of the species of a billion years ago and only a few of them adapted.

I believe that currently we are in a phase where a tiny tiny fraction of humans control economically most of the resources of the planet.  These people have a choice:
  - Expend the resources they control to provide a quality of life for the rest
 -  Reduce the number of the rest and thus extend the time before the resources they control are depleted.
Looks to me as though they prefer the latter and what we see are the impacts of a propaganda campaign (issued through resources that they also control.  Educational systems, media, etc, etc.)  This is, to me, a much better explanation of the overpopulation 'problems' we face than is the notion that we've run out of space.

So they're basically crybabies that are sore and they feel they deserve entitlement for that? Like all those other recently acknowledged breeds of people that now have their own bathrooms in public places?!

How many more bathrooms must man acknowledge?

Let's face it: one reason marriage is on the rocks is that nobody teaches men how to spot a good woman, or what to do when they find one.


Of course, you have to know a few basic things about relationships:
 WHAT IS A QUALITY WOMAN?
 WHAT DOES RELATIONSHIP EQUALITY LOOK LIKE?

I saw discussion of Marc Rudov on the MGTOW forum, but these "independent" men did not really 'get' what was being taught:
https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/the-no-nonsense-man/



Remember that life is short—–happiness, loneliness, and dysfunction are choices.
The No Nonsense Man: https://truthjusticeca.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/the-no-nonsense-man/

Amen. If you are turning in your cocksmans license, simply remit it without fanfare. And yes, when I hear 'female biased world' when it's clearly not (really?) I tune out. This is no different then the extreme forms of feminism practiced by the crazy ladies.

It is human nature, to couple with your counterpart. If our fathers had felt this way, where would we be today?

But is it a bad thing? I dont think so. Lets take games for example, few years back it was very hard to meet up with  a woman in any game genre. Now its quite a lot of them. Last week I was playing granturismo with 2 girls online, managed to bypass them pretty quickly, we were driving same, stock vehicle, soon after I have started to gain advantage, more or less 10seconds. All of a sudden one of them started to yell at me that I'm a cheater, a pirate with cracked console and that she will rapport me to polifony... You see? She couldn't cope with the idea of being weaker player, it wasn't her fault, it was mine I was the bad guy... And they both left the room, leaving insulting chat massages. This never happened with male players. 
I like the idea of safe spaces because they work until invaded...
Guess that its a subject for yet another NWO thread
But I have similar feeling, if "they" could "they" probably did.
However is earth really overpopulated?
Take all the humans in the world at make them stand in a square of 1m² each.
They will create a square with a side of ~85K people, 85K meters = 85km
85K x 85K = roughly 7.3 billion  means that all earths population can be placed in a average size county... 

As an MGTOW and a social analyst, I say that you totally nailed it.

Just another safe-space among many.

I only got around to looking on urbandictionary the other day to find out what the term meant.  Totally fitting at this point in my life, and very possibly forever-more.  I tend to look like a bum when I go out and about in part for this reason, and discourage people who try to set me up.

I do sort of wonder if feminism was designed by the social engineers in part to deal with the overpopulation problem by making women and men even more incompatible than they are by nature.  In this case it would be a matter of putting such a big chip on women's shoulders that they are intolerable for a normal human to be around.

The converse on the male side would be (among other things) the widespread availability or pornography.  Speaking for myself, when I've been with a girlfriend for to long porn is often just as desirable as the real thing a lot of times.  When I have not, the real thing is better.  The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, so they say.  Anyway, since I know from experience that it is not terribly far from a wash on the sex side, and there are so many annoyances on the non-sex side, MGTOW is A-OK with me at the moment.

Anyway, score one for the eugenicist sustainability crowd.  If CIA funding for Gloria Steinem and the like have been effective at inducing us peeps to voluntarily reduce our propensity to form families and that has reduces fertility rates, I'll have to grant that it is at least more ethical than other methods.

you might want to sell your TV and stop watching hollywood movies 

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Absolutely not. They themselves were the arseholes. If they did couple up while I knew them, they were still arseholes before, I just didn't want to admit it to myself. Their womanfriends were always considerably more together who wised up before I did.

Sorry to hear that m8.
So you are Man going his own way after all. This is exactly it. Luck of interest in people. There are many levels of MGTOW, many colour of pills. However in my opinion, it is a gender thing. Think about reasons of your mistreating by males and females. Most of man that hurt you, probably have had a women behind them, they where operating under some form of indirect(?) influence.
It is all very hard to me to put in correct English, as behavioural evolution, political ideology are full of hard concepts. This is why Im linking to those youtube vids.
This is a very good question coolcoinz.
Just like I said, it was an awakening, I took the pill and all of a sudden I have started to see all the codes. (obvious matrix parabola is obvious) Let's say it made me in to a "badboy". I'm almost immune to females charms, therefore I dont loose cold blood, seeing through woman's deception makes me less of their slave and more desirable as a lover (sex with no strings attached, friends with benefits and so on) Its all very personal, that's how it works for me.

OP, I'd like to ask how has this helped you in any way? I get that you might feel insecure and vulnerable in a relationship and want to change it, but how building a wall around yourself can help in any way?
Being in defensive from the start is not the way to start a healthy relationship.

Being an egoist is really nothing to envy. If your girl's needs are more important to you, you are good the way you are, you just need her to appreciate it. Don't try to change yourself to adapt to society!

There are lot of bitcointalkers like these. Especially the young ones, earning bitcoin is their motivation and girls are not really their thing, they are not nerds but they are weird. Friends that I know using bitcoin, have girlfriends of their own. Saying these, this type of person is more likely the true lovers when they find the right girl, and I am envious with these kind of people because they prioritize their own selves than love, it is quite the opposite to me, and I think it is taking the toll on me.

And plenty of women feel exactly the same about men. This isn't a gender thing, it's a human thing. Many humans are incapable of love or deeper thoughts, or more likely aren't actually interested in them and are more interested in their own gratification at the expense of others.

I've been treated shittily by women, and I've been treated just as disgustingly by supposed male friends. I'm equally uninterested in new friendships as I am in relationships because I'm rather sick of everybody regardless of whether I want put my winkle up them.

I think it is working just fine. We have 2 votes so far.
If it interest you, give a try to does videos. It's not a revelation, the guy just verbalises things you probably already know from your own observations. For me it was actually great help in relationship department.
Like a good manual for women, without self training nonsense and mind tricks mumbo-jumbo.
No, it doesn't mean no sex, no relationships, its more about knowledge on how women operate with lies and deception from early age, how they are incapable of love or deeper thoughts.
There is that moment that I can call awakening, maybe it is a symptom of age, maybe of knowledge but it is like taking red pill, you will never see females in the same way after that.
 

I think the thing that bugs me about the MGTOW thing is how vocal and misanthropic they are. It's far classier to just make a dignified exit and shut the fuck up about it. And cut the whining about male oppression too. Women aren't having a great deal of fun either.

It's been a couple of years since I've been involved with anyone. I don't really know if I'm ever going to bother again. When I look back I don't see that I gained the slightest thing from any of it, but can very easily point to the harm.

If I was gay then it wouldn't be any different and quite possibly considerably worse.

I've been in a relationship for too long to have anything in common with this movement, but I can understand if some guys feel more independent by choosing not to get involved in a relationship.
I know a number of broken marriages and both sides often end up broken and deeply scarred for life. They have trouble forming another relationship because they are afraid of giving too much to another person.
A true relationship is based on trust and giving it all, believing that the other person will also give it all and never stab you in the back.