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Quote from: fuguebtc on November 01, 2024, 03:59:19 AM

Perhaps you are from Ukraine? I am sorry about the war going on in your country and what you and the Ukrainian people are going through. But if we judge fairly, we cannot blame Russia or the countries that are helping Russia entirely. You need to remember that war also causes losses for Russia from military to economic and I don't think any country wants to fall into this situation. Also, let's see which country benefits the most from this war. The country that does not directly participate in the war but benefits the most is the country that causes the war. We should not blame all the countries that are at war because they are also suffering and stuck in war.

If there is a new arms race and worse, a third world war, the United States is the one that caused it all, not because they wanted it to happen, but because they miscalculated in starting the war but could not control it as they wanted.

Sorry to intrude, and I apologize in advance for a very cruel question. Say, for example, a situation - your mother/wife/daughter is attacked by a maniac, trying to rob, rape and kill. A couple of other bastards come to his aid. Question, or rather confirm, I understand correctly, you will say in this situation that the “helpers” of the maniac are not to blame, and the maniac himself was forced to spend forces, and even possibly experience some discomfort..... And the police and the court who want to apprehend the criminal and punish him will provoke his aggression ? Am I right or am I wrong?

Again, I apologize if I caused you discomfort and hurt your personal feelings.

PS People tend to underestimate other people's problems, their causes, but people are very demanding to evaluate their own problems.....

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Quote from: fuguebtc on November 01, 2024, 03:59:19 AM

Perhaps you are from Ukraine? I am sorry about the war going on in your country and what you and the Ukrainian people are going through. But if we judge fairly, we cannot blame Russia or the countries that are helping Russia entirely. You need to remember that war also causes losses for Russia from military to economic and I don't think any country wants to fall into this situation. Also, let's see which country benefits the most from this war. The country that does not directly participate in the war but benefits the most is the country that causes the war. We should not blame all the countries that are at war because they are also suffering and stuck in war.

If there is a new arms race and worse, a third world war, the United States is the one that caused it all, not because they wanted it to happen, but because they miscalculated in starting the war but could not control it as they wanted.

You have some incorrect ideas about the beginning of the Russian-Ukrainian war and its causes. As a sovereign state, Ukraine has set a course for joining the European Union and NATO. But Putin, who has been in power in Russia for more than twenty years, has a plan to voluntarily and forcibly return the countries of the former USSR under Russia's influence. Ukraine did not voluntarily submit to Russia; the stage of its coercion by military means has begun. But this time, the Kremlin has decided not only to destroy Ukraine as a state, but also Ukrainians as a nation. Therefore, harsh Russification is taking place in the occupied territories of Ukraine, and those who disagree are simply killed or evicted to remote, depressed areas of Russia.

Are you also suggesting that we pity the Russians for the fact that by killing Ukrainians and destroying their cities and villages on Ukrainian soil, they are suffering great losses? This is simply cynicism and blasphemy on your part. Russia can end this cruel and bloody war any day by simply withdrawing its invading troops from Ukraine.

The United States did not start this war and warned both Ukraine and the world at large about Russia's plans to attack Ukraine.

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Quote from: pooya87 on October 01, 2024, 01:01:38 AM

Although that's the goal but that also is the same as being close to a nuclear war (WW3). We are just one mistake away from nukes starting to fly and Russia is going to directly attack United States because the missiles they were talking about are American and are controlled and launched by American troops against Russia.
If that happens, Russia, US, Europe (including Ukraine) will all be wiped out and the rest of us have to live the with the consequences of a nuclear war on our planet...

The catalyst for the intensification of current military actions and a new arms race in the world is Putin's Russia, which has been trying to seize Ukraine by military means for the third year. Now Russia is already provoking the outbreak of World War III, attracting soldiers from North Korea to the war with Ukraine, providing this country with new military technologies in return. Russia also uses drones and missiles from Iran on the territory of Ukraine, in addition, currently about 70 percent of the shells fired by Russia at Ukraine are supplied from North Korea.

At the same time, Russia still wants to accuse Ukraine of having the audacity to defend itself from the Russian invasion. The United States and European countries are forced to provide Ukraine with weapons and finances in order to protect universal values and maintain the security of the world order. At the same time, it is natural that military products are in high demand, and therefore the defense industry plants are working at full capacity.

Perhaps you are from Ukraine? I am sorry about the war going on in your country and what you and the Ukrainian people are going through. But if we judge fairly, we cannot blame Russia or the countries that are helping Russia entirely. You need to remember that war also causes losses for Russia from military to economic and I don't think any country wants to fall into this situation. Also, let's see which country benefits the most from this war. The country that does not directly participate in the war but benefits the most is the country that causes the war. We should not blame all the countries that are at war because they are also suffering and stuck in war.

If there is a new arms race and worse, a third world war, the United States is the one that caused it all, not because they wanted it to happen, but because they miscalculated in starting the war but could not control it as they wanted.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on October 03, 2024, 03:45:14 PM

This is what the civilized world has unfortunately become, they spend huge amounts of money that should have been spent on building civilized services and facilities, they spend it on companies that manufacture weapons and destruction.

Of course, these companies that manufacture weapons are always looking for new markets to sell their products, so they pay politicians and arms dealers to create new wars in different parts of the world to sell their weapons, so it is not surprising to see conflicts and wars spread around the world.

In my opinion, it is completely wrong for there to be private companies that manufacture weapons, the weapons industry should be the exclusive preserve of governments, all these companies should be closed.

When one has a matter of life and death, the solution becomes a weapon to defend and destroy the enemy. Yes, this is when some companies get an additional profit. Yes, it doesn't look very positive from an idealist's point of view, and it looks silly from the point of view of a pragmatist trying to make life better by investing money in more logical directions. But the situation is what it is. Therefore, as long as there will be criminal regimes, the normal world will have to spend a lot on the military-industrial complex to counterbalance them.... There are simply no other options to stop the new “Hitlers”. No because the world has decided to play tolerance and “not to inflame the situation” letting the new “Hitlers” gain strength showing their impotence, political impotence and forgetting about their obligations....

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Quote from: Shortmaster on September 28, 2024, 08:24:54 AM

Countries pay now for military companies like lockhead maartin and baes.
Imagine for example NATO countries pay for equipment now and later when those countries struggle financially they need to borrow money and they get money from the same companies who they pay now.
So why pay that money lol ....If they have to borrow the same money back later.
So it's like i steal your money and then i offering to you Im generous i give you with low rate loan lol 😁 your own money.
World is in money crisis only ones who got fat wallets of money will be military companies but they will not help.

The military industrial complex has been milking most governments for a hell of a long time, this is far from a new development. They often end up charging obscene amounts for even the most trivial of items, because they often have to go through rigorous testing processes in order to claim certification for a certain purpose, yet they realistically are often produced at a much lower market price. There is sometimes corruption involved and senior politicians can also play a part in this, there are all sorts of ways these abuses can creep in. That being said, the military is often the last protector of any country and needs to be very strong if you want to project power elsewhere.

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Quote from: pooya87 on October 01, 2024, 01:01:38 AM

Quote from: fuguebtc on September 30, 2024, 03:32:54 AM

The United States and NATO have their own intentions in using Ukraine to confront Russia. Some newspapers are exaggerating the incident to make people believe that World War III is about to happen. But no, the United States will never let that happen because that is not their goal in this war, their goal is to weaken and exhaust Russia.

Although that's the goal but that also is the same as being close to a nuclear war (WW3). We are just one mistake away from nukes starting to fly and Russia is going to directly attack United States because the missiles they were talking about are American and are controlled and launched by American troops against Russia.
If that happens, Russia, US, Europe (including Ukraine) will all be wiped out and the rest of us have to live the with the consequences of a nuclear war on our planet...

The catalyst for the intensification of current military actions and a new arms race in the world is Putin's Russia, which has been trying to seize Ukraine by military means for the third year. Now Russia is already provoking the outbreak of World War III, attracting soldiers from North Korea to the war with Ukraine, providing this country with new military technologies in return. Russia also uses drones and missiles from Iran on the territory of Ukraine, in addition, currently about 70 percent of the shells fired by Russia at Ukraine are supplied from North Korea.

At the same time, Russia still wants to accuse Ukraine of having the audacity to defend itself from the Russian invasion. The United States and European countries are forced to provide Ukraine with weapons and finances in order to protect universal values and maintain the security of the world order. At the same time, it is natural that military products are in high demand, and therefore the defense industry plants are working at full capacity.

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Quote from: Coyster on October 05, 2024, 12:50:11 PM

It is inevitable for a country to invest in defense in the kind of world we live in today, it is like most countries are just spending money in preparation for war, though some countries have a bigger budget for defense than others. To be fair, it is better to be ready to defend your sovereignty than not, because it can be threatened at anytime by another nation.

That being said, it is just sad that a lot of funding has to go into causes like this, when there are better areas of life that could be developed with such funds. It is what it is at the end of the day, and it will be the poor soldiers dying on the battlefield for a war that they know nothing about.

Yes, every nation has to invest to their military in order to be prepared as the world we live in today is very unpredictable as well. And with that, there are really military contracts not just let's say in the US but also throughout the world.

Even in the last 80's to early 90's war when Saddam invaded Kuwait (Persian gulf war), both side of their supposedly allied countries are giving them or shall we say selling them military weapons. So that is the bad image of war, everyone is against everyone but at the end of the day, the most powerful countries are selling their weapons.

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It is inevitable for a country to invest in defense in the kind of world we live in today, it is like most countries are just spending money in preparation for war, though some countries have a bigger budget for defense than others. To be fair, it is better to be ready to defend your sovereignty than not, because it can be threatened at anytime by another nation.

That being said, it is just sad that a lot of funding has to go into causes like this, when there are better areas of life that could be developed with such funds. It is what it is at the end of the day, and it will be the poor soldiers dying on the battlefield for a war that they know nothing about.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on October 02, 2024, 05:25:27 AM

War is profitable for some big, powerful nations. People might not want to hear it but it’s the truth. I am a firm believer that is serious criminal behaviours going on by big nations who are profiting from the war in Ukraine & the conflict Israel are involved in. It’s not just weapons corporations, it’s one big club & web of deceit which we are not in.

I think it is because they can be able to capitalize for more equipment and men. They are also able to buy those and resell it for those who are in need. Actually there are people who wants to hear what you are saying there but that is if they are also living on the same nation because they can also benefit from it.

Maybe there are also/still people living on the same nation that doesn't have that same mindset because they feel guilty for those who will be affected by the wars. If it's about being a criminal, I think some weapon sellers are clean but this was just the normal perception of the people because weapons are usually related to criminals or they are using them to defend their selves and to hurt their victims. Illegal drugs are being connected on them as well.

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Every country must protect their sovereignty and having arms and ammunition is the way to do it. So ammunition to beef up defense must be a top priority and that is why so much money is always mapped out for defense weapons procurements. Defense companies that produces weapons must be very rich because their products will always be in demand. If they have enough money to borrow countries that are in need, then it's an added advantage to their businesses. Substantial allocations for defense and weapon procurement for nations budgets are unavoidable evils, they must be taken care of to mentain peace in their countries.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on September 28, 2024, 08:24:54 AM

Countries pay now for military companies like lockhead maartin and baes.
Imagine for example NATO countries pay for equipment now and later when those countries struggle financially they need to borrow money and they get money from the same companies who they pay now.
So why pay that money lol ....If they have to borrow the same money back later.
So it's like i steal your money and then i offering to you Im generous i give you with low rate loan lol 😁 your own money.
World is in money crisis only ones who got fat wallets of money will be military companies but they will not help.

Military spending is understandably rising because the wars are on the rise and countries are realizing that unfortunately being attacked by another country isn't a problem of the past, so significant spending on the military makes sense. As for how it's done, I think it's better to pay when one can pay, and borrow when there's no other option. After all, borrowing does eventually come at a cost, to some generation or other. My country is in a position of desperately needing more weapons and upgrading our military, and we are spending tons of money on it (the vast majority of annual influx coming from taxes), but we're also taking loans because there's no other option for us. Still, it's not because 'why pay if you can borrow', it's 'borrow because you really need it right now but can't pay'. And there will surely be a time when it all hits hard.

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But you know some countries are doing all those things for security reasons because if their people are saved in the country,the government will begin to generate income that will make them to continue to develop the country. I know there are some leaders who are using war equipments to make funds from government account and if you look such leaders very well, you will begin to see corruption around the country which is a bad habit to any leaders, and it will be difficult for such countries that get involve of spending huge amount of funds on weapons to make progress with such corrupt leaders.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on September 28, 2024, 08:24:54 AM

Countries pay now for military companies like lockhead maartin and baes.
Imagine for example NATO countries pay for equipment now and later when those countries struggle financially they need to borrow money and they get money from the same companies who they pay now.
So why pay that money lol ....If they have to borrow the same money back later.
So it's like i steal your money and then i offering to you Im generous i give you with low rate loan lol 😁 your own money.
World is in money crisis only ones who got fat wallets of money will be military companies but they will not help.

When I learnt that most of the countries of the world are in debt, I began to wonder how it happened and who the creditors are. Another thing that baffles me is how the creditors were able to raise those funds to be able to give out those loans. From your post, it align with my earlier knowledge that the creditors such as IMF, world bank and other international organizations are actually funded by countries of the world yet they turn around to control their economies, decide the strength of their currencies and how much of their currency they can print. It seems the military industrial complex were also created to maintain the creation of these monetary systems that makes it easier to control the governments of the world. I don't know why things are designed this way.

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Not a new news that military has a huge budget in almost every nation, specially in the USA they get even more, a huge huge number. So, when you do a business and you do it to military then you can overcharge, as long as you can convince the people who would love to accept your deal, they are not looking int other money part.

For example, you are going to provide some X item to military, and this is USA, just an example. One person offers 100 dollars per item, and the other offers 300 per item, none of that would matter, as long as they like the 300 dude, they would go with them, they only care about contacts and networking, not the price because they have the money for it to purchase whatever they want. Of course then all these soldiers come back from the war, and they wait hours in line at VA and given appointments to weeks later. Because, military doesn't use the money for "not soldier anymore" people.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on October 02, 2024, 05:25:27 AM

War is profitable for some big, powerful nations. People might not want to hear it but it’s the truth. I am a firm believer that is serious criminal behaviours going on by big nations who are profiting from the war in Ukraine & the conflict Israel are involved in. It’s not just weapons corporations, it’s one big club & web of deceit which we are not in.

Look, wherever there is a war, the people who live there lose, but the winners of the war gain, or people from other countries come and take some goods. Yes, people stay away from war because it destroys the lives of two countries, that's why people don't like it. Because of Israel, most things are provided and promises are made to other countries of the world, because of which they are supported. Yes, yoyur point maybe right but there are hidden things that are printed with them. But soon a solution will come out for which Israel will have to pay a heavy price.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on October 03, 2024, 03:45:14 PM

This is what the civilized world has unfortunately become, they spend huge amounts of money that should have been spent on building civilized services and facilities, they spend it on companies that manufacture weapons and destruction.

Of course, these companies that manufacture weapons are always looking for new markets to sell their products, so they pay politicians and arms dealers to create new wars in different parts of the world to sell their weapons, so it is not surprising to see conflicts and wars spread around the world.

In my opinion, it is completely wrong for there to be private companies that manufacture weapons, the weapons industry should be the exclusive preserve of governments, all these companies should be closed.

The only way this can happen is the old school 1950’s movie the “day the earth stood still” needs to become the worlds reality.

Most likely not going to happen.

Unfortunately, there is no way the military industry will stop... They are so big and strong that only a super being from that movie can stop them. Until that day (which has no chance of coming) we are doomed to watch the war machine mercilessly mow down people all over the world. There are so many hot spots of war, people are full of hatred and they just want more weapons and the death that these weapons bring.

A civilized world has never existed, there are only advanced countries that exploit the weaker ones... It was like that before, it's like that now, and it will probably be like that in the future... the hard truth.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on September 28, 2024, 08:24:54 AM

Countries pay now for military companies like lockhead maartin and baes.
Imagine for example NATO countries pay for equipment now and later when those countries struggle financially they need to borrow money and they get money from the same companies who they pay now.
So why pay that money lol ....If they have to borrow the same money back later.
So it's like i steal your money and then i offering to you Im generous i give you with low rate loan lol 😁 your own money.
World is in money crisis only ones who got fat wallets of money will be military companies but they will not help.

The military industrial complex has been getting lots of money for decades and it is far from new. Most of the wars America has fought since WW2 have been pretty pointless, as we see from the final outcomes if we look back on them. Invading Iraq did very little, same with Afghanistan, Vietnam and all the others in between - they are still in a very similar place to how they were before. If you look at the Iraq war, there were a lot of senior politicians who were connected to military manufacturers and they walked away with a lot of money as they entered retirement. It is the pinnacle of corruption you might say and was very easily disguised because governments come up with wars for very poorly thought out reasons most of the time.

Wars, famine, diseases and sickness are all tools for the rich and powerful.
The business of weaponry has witnessed massive growth for ages and it will keep doing so, as more gun bills are signed and individuals can own, license and carry live ammunition because of unrest or incivility or terrorism or wars that can arise suddenly.
There's so much wars and rumors of wars ongoing in different regions of the world simultaneously and that means that there must be weapons available to fight and this is a need only the rich and powerful in the weapons business, can manipulate to their profits. Same applies for the drug pharmaceutical industry that may be solely responsible for vaccines production as well as other drugs and medications to fight diseases, disorders and sickness.

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on October 03, 2024, 03:45:14 PM

This is what the civilized world has unfortunately become, they spend huge amounts of money that should have been spent on building civilized services and facilities, they spend it on companies that manufacture weapons and destruction.

Of course, these companies that manufacture weapons are always looking for new markets to sell their products, so they pay politicians and arms dealers to create new wars in different parts of the world to sell their weapons, so it is not surprising to see conflicts and wars spread around the world.

In my opinion, it is completely wrong for there to be private companies that manufacture weapons, the weapons industry should be the exclusive preserve of governments, all these companies should be closed.

The only way this can happen is the old school 1950’s movie the “day the earth stood still” needs to become the worlds reality.

Most likely not going to happen.

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This is what the civilized world has unfortunately become, they spend huge amounts of money that should have been spent on building civilized services and facilities, they spend it on companies that manufacture weapons and destruction.

Of course, these companies that manufacture weapons are always looking for new markets to sell their products, so they pay politicians and arms dealers to create new wars in different parts of the world to sell their weapons, so it is not surprising to see conflicts and wars spread around the world.

In my opinion, it is completely wrong for there to be private companies that manufacture weapons, the weapons industry should be the exclusive preserve of governments, all these companies should be closed.

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Quote from: Fortify on October 03, 2024, 03:20:21 PM

Quote from: Shortmaster on September 28, 2024, 08:24:54 AM

Countries pay now for military companies like lockhead maartin and baes.
Imagine for example NATO countries pay for equipment now and later when those countries struggle financially they need to borrow money and they get money from the same companies who they pay now.
So why pay that money lol ....If they have to borrow the same money back later.
So it's like i steal your money and then i offering to you Im generous i give you with low rate loan lol 😁 your own money.
World is in money crisis only ones who got fat wallets of money will be military companies but they will not help.

The military industrial complex has been getting lots of money for decades and it is far from new. Most of the wars America has fought since WW2 have been pretty pointless, as we see from the final outcomes if we look back on them. Invading Iraq did very little, same with Afghanistan, Vietnam and all the others in between - they are still in a very similar place to how they were before. If you look at the Iraq war, there were a lot of senior politicians who were connected to military manufacturers and they walked away with a lot of money as they entered retirement. It is the pinnacle of corruption you might say and was very easily disguised because governments come up with wars for very poorly thought out reasons most of the time.

Korea was a push. All other were losses in terms of vanquished opposition and territory.

war is for rich garbage to get richer.and somewhat of a population control.

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