Topic: Military complex and weapons and defence companies getting now all the money - page 2. (Read 411 times)

The military industrial complex has been getting lots of money for decades and it is far from new. Most of the wars America has fought since WW2 have been pretty pointless, as we see from the final outcomes if we look back on them. Invading Iraq did very little, same with Afghanistan, Vietnam and all the others in between - they are still in a very similar place to how they were before. If you look at the Iraq war, there were a lot of senior politicians who were connected to military manufacturers and they walked away with a lot of money as they entered retirement. It is the pinnacle of corruption you might say and was very easily disguised because governments come up with wars for very poorly thought out reasons most of the time.

I agree that as long as the war is not over and becomes more and more intense , the fear of nuclear war will become more and more present. But in my opinion, neither the US nor Russia wants that to happen because they know that both will be wiped off the world map if a nuclear war breaks out.  Especially the US , as the world's number one power ,  they will not sacrifice themselves just for the safety or survival of a country like Ukraine . That is why the war has lasted for 3 years but they still have not provided Ukraine with the most modern weapons and have not allowed Ukraine to attack too deep into Russian territory .

Both are top nuclear weapons states , no one understands better than them the consequences if nuclear war happens , it will not be like WW II , nuclear war will not give us the chance to start over and rebuild everything.

Are you sure that the companies of the war industrial complex are lending money(or buying bonds) to the governments? Can you provide any proof? Without proof, your theory sounds like "shower thoughts" and there's no reason to discuss theories that sound ridiculous.
The owners of companies, that produce weapons for the military can do whatever they want with their profits. The governments are offering bonds on the debt markets. Everyone could buy government bonds. Some of the buyers might be owners or shareholders of Lockheed Martin or Reinmetal. What do you suggest? The countries to stop buying weapons? This would never happen.

War is profitable for some big, powerful nations. People might not want to hear it but it’s the truth. I am a firm believer that  is serious criminal behaviours going on by big nations who are profiting from the war in Ukraine & the conflict Israel are involved in. It’s not just weapons corporations, it’s one big club & web of deceit which we are not in.

The thing here is that in the United States the US spends more on it's military budget each year than all other nations combined.  That's not a typo, ALL other nations combined.  I sit here and think of all the good the US could do with this money if they took even only just a fraction away from military spending and put it to good use for things such as schools and hospitals.  It's completely messed up and unfort as citizens theres really not much we can do about it.

I think that whole military related task should be managed and regulated by the government instead of 3rd party companies but it is what it is, so there is definitely a huge amount of money created out of thin air, like it was created during the Covid pandemic (Where is Covid? How did it disappear after Russia-Ukraine war?).
By the way, I have never read that countries borrow money from companies like Lockhead. Why does country has to borrow money from any company when they can print it at any time they wish at any quantity they wish? Doesn't really make sense.

It's it obvious? Economy depends on the money circulation! So when countries payment the big defence companies to produce arms for them, these companies create jobs for production and pay salaries to them which the employees use to buy provisions. That's how an economy works!

Money is all about circulation. It doesn't work if someone is sitting on a pile of cash!

Although that's the goal but that also is the same as being close to a nuclear war (WW3). We are just one mistake away from nukes starting to fly and Russia is going to directly attack United States because the missiles they were talking about are American and are controlled and launched by American troops against Russia.
If that happens, Russia, US, Europe (including Ukraine) will all be wiped out and the rest of us have to live the with the consequences of a nuclear war on our planet...

Watch what this US intelligence officer says about it: https://youtu.be/Ypk75F1jB0A?t=854

Who is the leader of the United Nations? Who is the one who supports and gives Israel the freedom to attack? They are terrorists, bloodthirsty killers who claim to be messengers of peace. They call Russia's attack on Ukraine a brutal and evil war, but they are the ones supporting butchers like Israel who are killing innocent people. I find what Israel is doing in the Middle East a hundred times worse than what is happening on the battlefields of Russia and Ukraine.


The United States and NATO have their own intentions in using Ukraine to confront Russia. Some newspapers are exaggerating the incident to make people believe that World War III is about to happen. But no, the United States will never let that happen because that is not their goal in this war, their goal is to weaken and exhaust Russia.

They are still the world's dominant power, they hold everything in their hands, so they will never let world war 3 happen because it will destroy everything they have. I never believed that the US wanted world war 3 to happen because it would destroy them, if things got out of control they would be willing to sacrifice some scapegoats.

The reality is there has been huge profits for the defense contractors-including Lockheed Martin in light of increased military spending. For instance, record military budgets are now recorded throughout NATO countries, with more than 20 members likely to meet their respective target of 2% of GDP for the defense budget. For one thing, this is not exactly the same money taken out and lent back, because military spending is another budget, and when countries take loans, they usually are from global financial institutions, not directly from the defense contractors.

But yes, you do have a point in that aspect of an increasing financial burden: growing military expenses because of conflicts like Ukraine; smaller economies may not be able to balance military spending with other priorities in terms of finance. It does not mean that the system is so contrived as to exploit these countries financially, but surely, choices have to be made that will pit security against financial stability.

If their company comes in a war in which these weapons are made, will they also benefit?  War is a very wrong decision.  This leads to many people dying to light a side fire.  But they will get the benefits only for a short period of time and not again and again.  Weapons are made to protect other people, not to take the lives of oppressed people۔  So you will also know that they have received many punishments and will continue to receive them.  This should be seen by our government because it is because of them that we deceive each other and mix things up.  It is a good thing that in the first wars there were other people and now if it is our turn there is no problem but we should be happy.

Some nations that are financing these wars have huge debt threatening their financial stability. But because they have other evil intentions, they are willing to use taxpayers' money to finance wars instead of channelling it to developmental purposes.

Israel and its allies seem to have the freedom to kill at will. The UN has proved that it is powerless. So I doubt if the conflict will lead to a world war. I don't think the West will approve Ukraine's appeal to use long-range missiles against Russia. If such approval is given, Russia's reaction will determine if there will be another global war.

Paying for ordered equipments is as simple as exchange of money and goods while business still goes on if assumes that you borrows back the money from the dealer.
There is no just rebels on that because it is expected that debtors must have to pay. You also cant tell if there maybe collateral in such transactions which failure to payback the debt would have the lender nothing to loose.
What I am most worried about the governments spending much monies on weapons is that the government would find all means to acquire weapons just to fight a war but could not find solution to fight human needs in cases of educations, hospitalities and creating better economy levels to suit the masses.

The nation that benefits most from war is the nation that causes war and enjoys war. You are right, they always say they don't like war, they are messengers of peace but actually they really want war to happen because that is the way for them to get rich quick. They only care about their own pockets and consider other people's lives as trash, so it is naive to believe what the empire says.


There is no doubt that humanity is doomed and it is only a matter of time because of human greed. But about World War 3, I don't think it will happen soon or it will be a nuclear war like many people are imagining. I believe that war in the modern world will be economic war, biological war (disease, pandemic...) and they will be more unpredictable than physical war.

Not the same company. For example Lockheed Martin is more of an arms dealer that is running a scam by controlling the US government who then starts wars so that this company can fill its pockets. But when those countries want to borrow money they borrow it from another organization that has nothing to do with the arms dealers. Organizations like IMF.

That's why they like war, for profits. They don't simply care about other people as long as they are making their bank accounts almost blown up by destroying mother earth, killing innocent people, and any kind pf destruction. That's the sad reality going on since the start of humankind, the greediness.

It's all about the survival of the fittest, rich people becomes even more rich by milking the lowest people in the society. There's no hope in humankind, we're all doomed. I'm not gonna be surprise if there's going to be a world war 3 soon.

Russia's large-scale military invasion of Ukraine and the bloodiest war in Europe since World War II, which has been going on for three years, unexpectedly triggered an arms race. Russia has shown itself to be an aggressor that seeks to seize neighboring states, and this has caused a natural response in Europe and around the world. European countries have sharply increased their defense spending, rearmament of the army, and an increase in its numbers. NATO has come to life. Now they are hastily working out practical issues of transferring their troops to the western border, especially to the Baltic countries, deploying additional troop contingents there, working out issues of evacuating a large number of wounded across the borders of EU countries, and much more.

In addition, European countries have given almost all of the Soviet equipment they have, which they have had since the Warsaw Pact, to Ukraine. In return, they are receiving modern advanced weapons, especially from the United States, which have proven themselves well on the Ukrainian battlefield.

Russia wanted to seize Ukraine in a few days and hoped that Europe would simply not have time to react to this. But the heroic resistance of the Ukrainian people has upset all the Kremlin's plans. Isolated and under sanctions, Russia is no longer able to compete in such an arms race. The Kremlin is now in shock over the events that they themselves provoked...

Actually, You raise valid points concerning funding with regard to military expenses and how the chances are that different countries They end up owing for the money they contributed to the private companies. This has then brought forward defense budget constraints and economic dependency on military actions. It is somehow paradoxical when countries Spend more funds on defense but end up in financial crisis later on. This obliges them to borrow from the agency. This type of analysis tends to focus attention on public questions and the long-range impact such spending might have.

Countries pay now for military companies like lockhead maartin and baes.
Imagine for example NATO countries pay for equipment now and later when those countries struggle financially they need to borrow money and they get money from the same companies who they pay now.
So why pay that money lol ....If they have to borrow the same money back later.
So it's like i steal your money and then i offering to you Im generous i give you with low rate loan lol 😁 your own money.
World is in money crisis only ones who got fat wallets of money will be military companies but they will not help.