Mining 7970 with linuxcoin bounty [20 btc] - page 3.

cuz0882

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Quote from: Inaba on February 15, 2012, 11:43:45 PM

RDP... lord. Why do you want an entire GUI to mine? You are using command line utilities to mine with text miners from a GUI. That just makes no sense. Why not bypass the GUI all together.

As for dummy plugs, you have that backwards. Windows requires dummy plugs, Linux does not. Linux allows 8 GPUs, Windows does not (unless that's been fixed in the past few months). Windows is an inferior mining platform under any circumstance; there is literally nothing compelling about using Windows as a mining platform.

Refurbished $20 drives fail fairly often... the USB stick, not so much. Generates less heat and takes up almost no power as well.

I run most my systems with 3x 5970's and never used dummy plugs. Not sure what people were doing to require them. I'm not using the new catalyst or anything. You can go 4x 5970's with extenders and what not. The GUI does not slow down mining. I originally was going to try ubuntu, but there was no driver support for my usb adapters. The only real benefit to linux that anyone has mentioned here is the size of the OS. A full install of windows takes a 16gb usb. I plan on needing hard drives to sell my cases and mobo's anyway though. I actually started using 60gb agility ssd's. There just sexy... If I had previous experience with linux like I bet you have, I may have gone that route.

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RDP... lord. Why do you want an entire GUI to mine? You are using command line utilities to mine with text miners from a GUI. That just makes no sense. Why not bypass the GUI all together.

As for dummy plugs, you have that backwards. Windows requires dummy plugs, Linux does not. Linux allows 8 GPUs, Windows does not (unless that's been fixed in the past few months). Windows is an inferior mining platform under any circumstance; there is literally nothing compelling about using Windows as a mining platform.

Refurbished $20 drives fail fairly often... the USB stick, not so much. Generates less heat and takes up almost no power as well.

cuz0882

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Quote from: yochdog on February 15, 2012, 11:10:05 PM

Quote from: cuz0882 on February 15, 2012, 10:41:23 PM

Quote from: jjiimm_64 on February 15, 2012, 10:12:49 PM

Quote from: cuz0882 on February 15, 2012, 09:34:20 PM

Not like it's going to save anything.

dont have to buy harddrives.
dont have to install operating system from cd.
dont have to pay to spin the harddrive

you can ssh into a mining rig and still see the temp and clocks. in windows apparently when remoteing in, temps and core clocks disappears, if you can even mine at all.

dont have to pay billy boy
dont have to hook a monitor up to the computer.

that all being said, I am typing this message on a 24in win764 miner14.

you still have to buy a usb, same price.
hard drive is like 6 watts(few cents a year), you can actually run windows on a usb if one wanted to.
I do like your idea of accessing it remotely, I never really mess with mine though. Been up for about 2 months without crashes.
I just use one monitor, to watch all my miners, they don't need dedicated monitors. Could be a pain if you set one up at another location though.

Havent any of you heard of Remote desktop connection? I remote into all of my Win7 PC's to check up on CGminer. Works like a charm.

Of course I've heard of it, last time I tried messing with it I had no luck. I turned off all the firewalls and checked the router ports but it still didn't work. Only time I really need to get on them is to change fan settings or clock speeds. Should not need to until it starts getting hot outside again.

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Quote from: rjk on February 15, 2012, 11:14:13 PM

Quote from: yochdog on February 15, 2012, 11:10:05 PM

Havent any of you heard of Remote desktop connection? I remote into all of my Win7 PC's to check up on CGminer. Works like a charm.

RDP fucks with the drivers, often if I use it to connect things go wacky, and if I stop the miner I can't start it again. However, LogMeIn (free version) works great, and has a nice little wake-on-lan feature built into the control panel.

Had this problem with GUIminer......CGminer and Diablo seem to work great.

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Quote from: yochdog on February 15, 2012, 11:10:05 PM

Havent any of you heard of Remote desktop connection? I remote into all of my Win7 PC's to check up on CGminer. Works like a charm.

RDP fucks with the drivers, often if I use it to connect things go wacky, and if I stop the miner I can't start it again. However, LogMeIn (free version) works great, and has a nice little wake-on-lan feature built into the control panel.

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Quote from: cuz0882 on February 15, 2012, 10:41:23 PM

Quote from: jjiimm_64 on February 15, 2012, 10:12:49 PM

Quote from: cuz0882 on February 15, 2012, 09:34:20 PM

Not like it's going to save anything.

dont have to buy harddrives.
dont have to install operating system from cd.
dont have to pay to spin the harddrive

you can ssh into a mining rig and still see the temp and clocks. in windows apparently when remoteing in, temps and core clocks disappears, if you can even mine at all.

dont have to pay billy boy
dont have to hook a monitor up to the computer.

that all being said, I am typing this message on a 24in win764 miner14.

you still have to buy a usb, same price.
hard drive is like 6 watts(few cents a year), you can actually run windows on a usb if one wanted to.
I do like your idea of accessing it remotely, I never really mess with mine though. Been up for about 2 months without crashes.
I just use one monitor, to watch all my miners, they don't need dedicated monitors. Could be a pain if you set one up at another location though.

Havent any of you heard of Remote desktop connection? I remote into all of my Win7 PC's to check up on CGminer. Works like a charm.

cuz0882

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Quote from: jjiimm_64 on February 15, 2012, 10:12:49 PM

Quote from: cuz0882 on February 15, 2012, 09:34:20 PM

Not like it's going to save anything.

dont have to buy harddrives.
dont have to install operating system from cd.
dont have to pay to spin the harddrive

you can ssh into a mining rig and still see the temp and clocks. in windows apparently when remoteing in, temps and core clocks disappears, if you can even mine at all.

dont have to pay billy boy
dont have to hook a monitor up to the computer.

that all being said, I am typing this message on a 24in win764 miner14.

you still have to buy a usb, same price.
hard drive is like 6 watts(few cents a year), you can actually run windows on a usb if one wanted to.
I do like your idea of accessing it remotely, I never really mess with mine though. Been up for about 2 months without crashes.
I just use one monitor, to watch all my miners, they don't need dedicated monitors. Could be a pain if you set one up at another location though.

jjiimm_64

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Quote from: cuz0882 on February 15, 2012, 09:34:20 PM

Not like it's going to save anything.

dont have to buy harddrives.
dont have to install operating system from cd.
dont have to pay to spin the harddrive

you can ssh into a mining rig and still see the temp and clocks. in windows apparently when remoteing in, temps and core clocks dissappear, if you can even mine at all.

dont have to pay billy boy
dont have to hook a monitor up to the computer.

that all being said, I am typing this message on a 24in win764 miner14.

cuz0882

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Quote from: m3sSh3aD on February 15, 2012, 09:57:27 AM

Quote from: jjiimm_64 on February 15, 2012, 08:31:46 AM

Quote from: cuz0882 on February 15, 2012, 05:22:24 AM

Is there even a reason to mine with linux?

Yes,
1. easy headless rigs. with windoz you loose temp control
2. operating system on a usb
3. new operating system up in 3 minutes. nothing to mining in 4 minutes
4. ssh access to the rigs.

do I need to go on?

It's Free

Windowz SUCKS

Better/friendlier support

The list goes on

People actually pay for windows still? Anyone who still pays for windows is going to have a hell of a time using linux.
Why can't you control the temp?
It only takes 15 mins to install windows, if your familiar with linux it makes sense. I don't actually see any benefits that justify messing with a new OS. I was under the impression you needed dummy plugs to run a large miner in linux. Linux is smaller for a usb stick, refurrbished hard drives are only 20 bucks though. I thought about doing it myself but I don't see the point. Not like it's going to save anything.

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Quote from: Inaba on February 15, 2012, 07:40:47 PM

$54 Motherboard with rebate - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138303
$40 CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103888
$10 RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576001
$16 USB Stick - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220504

A whopping $120 bucks for 4 slot mining rig (6 if you use PCI - PCIe adapters), giving you the ability to run up to 8 GPUs, though I would recommend 2 5970's and 2 5870's, maybe 3 5970's and 1 5870 depending on your PSU.

Throw in a rebated OCZ 1200w PSU for $225 and you got yourself a pretty rockin' system. If you wanted to spend a few bucks more, you can find a 5 pcie mobo and either beef up your PSU a bit (if you can find a 1400w) or use two PSU's and power 3x 5970's and 2x 5870's.

As for additional power usage, you are using up 3x - 4x required power per machine, so it's 300% - 400% of the required power for 6 - 8 GPUs respectively.

I have a couple mobo's I run 6 cards on, though since Linux has an 8 GPU limit, most of them are 5870's. Windows has a 4 GPU limit if I recall, or did they finally fix that glaring deficiency?

Thanks for the info....will definitly use this in the future.

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so, How do I get my 7970 working on linuxcoin? Those links you sent me are fairly old, and do not address the 7 series. Also, it looks like a whole new operating system which I would prefer not to use.

My 18 rigs(42g) mostly run on linuxcoin. btw, how is that for density?

Inaba

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$54 Motherboard with rebate - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138303
$40 CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103888
$10 RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820576001
$16 USB Stick - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220504

A whopping $120 bucks for 4 slot mining rig (6 if you use PCI - PCIe adapters), giving you the ability to run up to 8 GPUs, though I would recommend 2 5970's and 2 5870's, maybe 3 5970's and 1 5870 depending on your PSU.

Throw in a rebated OCZ 1200w PSU for $225 and you got yourself a pretty rockin' system. If you wanted to spend a few bucks more, you can find a 5 pcie mobo and either beef up your PSU a bit (if you can find a 1400w) or use two PSU's and power 3x 5970's and 2x 5870's.

As for additional power usage, you are using up 3x - 4x required power per machine, so it's 300% - 400% of the required power for 6 - 8 GPUs respectively.

I have a couple mobo's I run 6 cards on, though since Linux has an 8 GPU limit, most of them are 5870's. Windows has a 4 GPU limit if I recall, or did they finally fix that glaring deficiency?

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Quote from: Inaba on February 15, 2012, 06:35:00 PM

You are probably spending 3x - 4x as much on power as you need to, unless you get power for free?

Wanted to follow up on this as well.

I run over 20,000 MH/s......I really doubt the extra CPU's, RAM, and HD (mostly SSD) are using 200-300% as much power as the GPU's.

I would venture I am maybe using 20% more than I need to versus an IDEAL setup, but most certainly not 300-400% more. I hope that was a typo.

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Quote from: Inaba on February 15, 2012, 06:35:00 PM

So for that same $110 a pop, you could have purchased a 5 or 6 PCIe motherboard, cpu and ram. Threw on a 1200w PSU and mined 6 or 7 GPUs... replacing basically 3 - 4 of the machines you have now, saving a net $100 or so in the process. (Figuring $200 for a PSU, which may be a bit undervalued, at worst, it would be break even at $300 for a PSU).

Please show me the way. Would love to find GOOD hardware that cheap.

My power is hydro-electric, so I really don't care how much I use......it has minimal impact on the environment (in terms of usage).

Crap away my man.....always looking to improve operations.

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Err.. not really. I'm not trying to crap on your setup, but your MH density is atrocious. You are probably spending 3x - 4x as much on power as you need to, unless you get power for free? Even if you get power for free, and I know this is kind of hypocritical given the nature of bitcoin, but you are being environmentally irresponsible as well. This is something I consider when building a rig - I know I'm being environmentally irresponsible mining in the first place, but if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it the cleanest I can. 2 cards per machine is not good. You should be running 6 - 8 GPUs per motherboard/PSU to maximize your profit and minimize power consumtion, otherwise you are just wasting vast amounts of power powering the other components that are functionally useless to mining.

So for that same $110 a pop, you could have purchased a 5 or 6 PCIe motherboard, cpu and ram. Threw on a 1200w PSU and mined 6 or 7 GPUs... replacing basically 3 - 4 of the machines you have now, saving a net $100 or so in the process. (Figuring $200 for a PSU, which may be a bit undervalued, at worst, it would be break even at $300 for a PSU).

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Quote from: Inaba on February 15, 2012, 05:22:21 PM

Those machines require more hardware than a Linux install, so you paid more than you needed to. A mining rig for me, without GPUs costs just under $130 w/o PSU. How much does your Windows rig cost?

This was the beauty of it.....I was able to purchase Dell T3400 workstations, including license for an average of $110 a pop. Was able to get around 18 of them.

Each have 2 PCI slots, and a 550W PSU. When I was using 5850's, everything was in place for "drop and go" mining.

Now that I have moved to 5970's and 7970's, I am upgrading the PSU's, but still a killer way to get the infrastructure in place.

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Those machines require more hardware than a Linux install, so you paid more than you needed to. A mining rig for me, without GPUs costs just under $130 w/o PSU. How much does your Windows rig cost?

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I am lucky enough to have access to as many licenses as I need, so the cost was a non issue.

How ?

Thanks !

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Quote from: Inaba on February 15, 2012, 05:12:29 PM

Yes. Windows is unstable. Resource hungry. Gaining remote access to your mining rigs is a major pain in the ass under windows vs Linux. Lacks updates in a timely fashion (see the recent poclbm problems).

Mining is about money (for most people), why throw extra resources at a problem (mining for $$) when you don't have to? Why complicate things by using a heavyweight OS to accomplish a specific task that can be handled with half the resources and 10x the speed?

Maybe I am stupid for using windows on all of my 25 miners......but I have had great luck keeping them all stable. Most will mine for weeks on end with no issues whatsoever.

There are a couple that have issues, but even then it is only once a week or so.

I am lucky enough to have access to as many licenses as I need, so the cost was a non issue.

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Yes. Windows is unstable. Resource hungry. Gaining remote access to your mining rigs is a major pain in the ass under windows vs Linux. Lacks updates in a timely fashion (see the recent poclbm problems).

Mining is about money (for most people), why throw extra resources at a problem (mining for $$) when you don't have to? Why complicate things by using a heavyweight OS to accomplish a specific task that can be handled with half the resources and 10x the speed?

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