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sr. member
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July 12, 2011, 09:25:58 PM
#48
You are too fast SomeBadger.

LOL.


Love the site btw...best mining site I have seen.  Especially when we find a block and the stats will be accurate.

Yeah i cant wait Smiley

One question. Its said the pool has anti-hopping measures. What does it really mean and how it can be even applied to the pool, when estimated time to fin the block is half a month? Its quite obvious when the pool makes like 3 blocks a day or more, but half a month...

What I have read of the pool-hopping is that people try to maximize their earning by switching (at some moment, which can be calculated) to the pool, which just starts a new block.

What concerns me is that it could be unfair, eg if one stops contributing to the pool, say, one day before the block is found and thus is seen as hopper. There could be technical faults or other factors which cause to switch mining software off.

Could you please explain what are the rules? Thanks!

hmm.. look at it this way

lets assume for ease that it takes on average 1000 shares to solve a block

with a normal setup where users are paid based on the amount of shares,
mr pool hopper jumps in at the start of the block and submits 100 shares and leaves

so his return would be 10% (5 BTC) if the block was solved at the average rate of 1000 shares

BUT if the block is solved early then he would get a lot more, say its solved in 500 shares, then he gets 10 BTC

with anti cheating, shares towards the end of the block are worth more so in the same instance,

if the block is solved in 1000 shares the people who mined the whole block would get more for their loyalty to the pool.
Mr Poolhopper would get less for leaving early and not getting the higher value final shares and the same goes for short blocks.

he would still be paid more on a short block but not as much as the people hanging around for the whole time.

so as for your question of what happens if you fall off b4 the block is found, you will still be paid, just not as much as if you stuck with it. if you were there right before the block was solved and then fell off not far from the end your diference would not be that much.

its more to stop people jumping in, doing a few shares at the start of the block and running away.

nb. this is a basic explanation and the algorithm is a bit more intense but i hope you understand.



nice explanation badger Smiley

i just got 2 more 5870's to throw into the frey Smiley will get those going this weekend since i gota make some modifications to my main mining rig to shoe horn em in there

you should setup somewhere that we can put our minging rigs.. maybe some kind of web album we can all use ? once i made my new case will be fun to show off my 7 card miner Tongue esp once i replace the remaining 5770's in it
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Merit: 10
July 12, 2011, 09:07:56 PM
#47
You are too fast SomeBadger.

LOL.


Love the site btw...best mining site I have seen.  Especially when we find a block and the stats will be accurate.

Yeah i cant wait Smiley

One question. Its said the pool has anti-hopping measures. What does it really mean and how it can be even applied to the pool, when estimated time to fin the block is half a month? Its quite obvious when the pool makes like 3 blocks a day or more, but half a month...

What I have read of the pool-hopping is that people try to maximize their earning by switching (at some moment, which can be calculated) to the pool, which just starts a new block.

What concerns me is that it could be unfair, eg if one stops contributing to the pool, say, one day before the block is found and thus is seen as hopper. There could be technical faults or other factors which cause to switch mining software off.

Could you please explain what are the rules? Thanks!

hmm.. look at it this way

lets assume for ease that it takes on average 1000 shares to solve a block

with a normal setup where users are paid based on the amount of shares,
mr pool hopper jumps in at the start of the block and submits 100 shares and leaves

so his return would be 10% (5 BTC) if the block was solved at the average rate of 1000 shares

BUT if the block is solved early then he would get a lot more, say its solved in 500 shares, then he gets 10 BTC

with anti cheating, shares towards the end of the block are worth more so in the same instance,

if the block is solved in 1000 shares the people who mined the whole block would get more for their loyalty to the pool.
Mr Poolhopper would get less for leaving early and not getting the higher value final shares and the same goes for short blocks.

he would still be paid more on a short block but not as much as the people hanging around for the whole time.

so as for your question of what happens if you fall off b4 the block is found, you will still be paid, just not as much as if you stuck with it. if you were there right before the block was solved and then fell off not far from the end your diference would not be that much.

its more to stop people jumping in, doing a few shares at the start of the block and running away.

nb. this is a basic explanation and the algorithm is a bit more intense but i hope you understand.

newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
July 12, 2011, 08:26:37 AM
#46
One question. Its said the pool has anti-hopping measures. What does it really mean and how it can be even applied to the pool, when estimated time to fin the block is half a month? Its quite obvious when the pool makes like 3 blocks a day or more, but half a month...

What I have read of the pool-hopping is that people try to maximize their earning by switching (at some moment, which can be calculated) to the pool, which just starts a new block.

What concerns me is that it could be unfair, eg if one stops contributing to the pool, say, one day before the block is found and thus is seen as hopper. There could be technical faults or other factors which cause to switch mining software off.

Could you please explain what are the rules? Thanks!
full member
Activity: 243
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July 12, 2011, 06:45:41 AM
#45
You are too fast SomeBadger.

LOL.


Love the site btw...best mining site I have seen.  Especially when we find a block and the stats will be accurate.
member
Activity: 170
Merit: 10
July 12, 2011, 06:36:02 AM
#44
@SomeBadger

Widgets is a buddy that I invited before teams were introduced to the pool...how do I go about inviting him to my team if he joined before the teams were introduced?

You simply tell me here Wink




All updated Smiley
full member
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July 12, 2011, 06:31:50 AM
#43
@SomeBadger

Widgets is a buddy that I invited before teams were introduced to the pool...how do I go about inviting him to my team if he joined before the teams were introduced?
member
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July 12, 2011, 06:22:14 AM
#42
nice ! joined.. do you mind explain to me what is a block ?

A block is what we are trying to solve by mining, when the pool solves a block we get paid the 50 BTC + fees associated to that block (stuff all at the moment Smiley) Once the block is solved the pool gets the 50BTC and its divided amongst the members based on how much they helped during that round. every miner has the same chance of finding a block for the pool and when someone finds one we give them a bonus 2 BTC and the team leader for that person 2 BTC

so in essence we are running a 4 BTC lottery every time the pool gets paid.

so get mining and your in with a chance, or bring other miners to the pool and your also in the running Wink
newbie
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July 12, 2011, 05:33:24 AM
#41
nice ! joined.. do you mind explain to me what is a block ?

newbie
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July 12, 2011, 05:04:23 AM
#40
I'm looking into this right now, i am staggering some of the server tasks and due to this stats will now be delayed for upto an hour while we diagnose this issue.

All tasks now run at 15 min intervals, so if u can keep an eye on your logs and tell me when it happens it will let us know where your problem lies.

It will be one of the following :  XX:00, XX:15, XX:30 XX:45

the sooner u let us know the sooner we can get the stats back to updating quicker Wink



Before these changes, I've observed problems always at XX:30, XX:40, XX:10 and may be XX:00.
Which gave me a clue that some cron job might be the cause of those.

I will keep monitoring, as time permits.
Thanks!

we had a small delay at the 15 minute mark after i made the change, i have since optimized that task and I dont see you dropping out as you were, but take a look around the 15 min mark and let me know.


It works very well so far. Thank you!
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July 12, 2011, 04:55:49 AM
#39
Please see the main threads, i have updated them based on the new features Smiley


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July 12, 2011, 01:12:41 AM
#38
UPDATE:

Until we reach 5 blocks I will be donating 4BTC to the pool, Payouts are as follows:

To the person who finds the block: 2BTC
To the team leader of the block finder: 2BTC

so the more people you bring aboard the higher chances u have to win the Team prize !!
(Dont forget to use your link on the team page.)
member
Activity: 170
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July 12, 2011, 01:11:48 AM
#37
I'm looking into this right now, i am staggering some of the server tasks and due to this stats will now be delayed for upto an hour while we diagnose this issue.

All tasks now run at 15 min intervals, so if u can keep an eye on your logs and tell me when it happens it will let us know where your problem lies.

It will be one of the following :  XX:00, XX:15, XX:30 XX:45

the sooner u let us know the sooner we can get the stats back to updating quicker Wink



Before these changes, I've observed problems always at XX:30, XX:40, XX:10 and may be XX:00.
Which gave me a clue that some cron job might be the cause of those.

I will keep monitoring, as time permits.
Thanks!

we had a small delay at the 15 minute mark after i made the change, i have since optimized that task and I dont see you dropping out as you were, but take a look around the 15 min mark and let me know.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
July 12, 2011, 01:02:32 AM
#36
I'm looking into this right now, i am staggering some of the server tasks and due to this stats will now be delayed for upto an hour while we diagnose this issue.

All tasks now run at 15 min intervals, so if u can keep an eye on your logs and tell me when it happens it will let us know where your problem lies.

It will be one of the following :  XX:00, XX:15, XX:30 XX:45

the sooner u let us know the sooner we can get the stats back to updating quicker Wink



Before these changes, I've observed problems always at XX:30, XX:40, XX:10 and may be XX:00.
Which gave me a clue that some cron job might be the cause of those.

I will keep monitoring, as time permits.
Thanks!
member
Activity: 170
Merit: 10
July 11, 2011, 07:11:07 PM
#35
Just tried to register, and it said "Please login to continue" but I can't get logged in with the credentials... help?

Fixed Smiley
newbie
Activity: 12
Merit: 0
July 11, 2011, 06:37:46 PM
#34
Just tried to register, and it said "Please login to continue" but I can't get logged in with the credentials... help?
full member
Activity: 231
Merit: 100
July 11, 2011, 06:17:19 PM
#33
i was havin that issues also
member
Activity: 170
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July 11, 2011, 06:07:28 PM
#32
I'm looking into this right now, i am staggering some of the server tasks and due to this stats will now be delayed for upto an hour while we diagnose this issue.

All tasks now run at 15 min intervals, so if u can keep an eye on your logs and tell me when it happens it will let us know where your problem lies.

It will be one of the following :  XX:00, XX:15, XX:30 XX:45

the sooner u let us know the sooner we can get the stats back to updating quicker Wink

newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
July 11, 2011, 12:06:20 PM
#31
We just upgraded to the latest pushpull and modified bitcoind, if you continue to have issues, try a different ask rate

Thanks. Will monitor for a while.

Hmmm... It happens too often today, and usually at the 10's or 40's minute:

[11/07/2011 19:38:46] Result: 31ad6ac1 accepted
[11/07/2011 19:39:16] Result: 33fd5979 accepted
[11/07/2011 19:40:35] Warning: work queue empty, miner is idle
[11/07/2011 19:41:52] Result: 3653e3fa rejected
[11/07/2011 19:59:15] Result: 9d1d2ed0 rejected       
[11/07/2011 19:59:15] Result: a97f384f rejected       
[11/07/2011 19:59:15] Result: 650eb875 rejected       
[11/07/2011 19:59:15] Result: 1540b954 rejected       

Sometimes it just continues, sometimes waits for Ctrl-C and produces rejects. All three instances do it at the same time...

As I told, there were no such behaviour when I started with the pool. Also, other instances (for other pools) do not have
such a problem.

Any better ideas? Maybe some kernel flag is needed (for phatk)?

Thank you!
sr. member
Activity: 324
Merit: 250
July 11, 2011, 04:55:14 AM
#30
liam and troph are my referals can you please fix those Smiley
member
Activity: 170
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July 11, 2011, 02:08:25 AM
#29
nice addition Smiley lets see how my image looks



edit: looks peerdy Tongue

lookin good linkme once i get my next rig ready, i'll give u a run for your money.
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