mixers, anonymisers and bitcoin obfuscators

Jeremycoin

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Quote from: DimensionZ on February 29, 2016, 07:10:31 AM

Well guys you are lucky to have friends and family members that are into Bitcoin. My only option is to use crypto exchanges but I am okay with giving my ID to different institutions online so no big deal for me. Too much hiding is not good either right? Grin

But Bitcoin should be anonymous, if you do this then it means you don't know the point of Bitcoin.

ctlaltdefeat

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Quote from: DimensionZ on February 25, 2016, 11:34:33 AM

Selling to people on Localbitcoins is even more dangerous than providing your ID to somewhat 'legitimate' online exchanges in my honest opinion. You are letting random people see your face and possibly knowing the vicinity where you live. What about following you home and figuring out a way to kidnap or coerce you into giving them your big stash of coins? As the guy above me said when you go off the Internet your anonymity is gone immediately.

Some people afraid to be scamming by exchange,online investement and other,but they maybe never think what you think above,and honestly i'm also never think like that,its good warning for us,transaction people to people give more dangerous that transaction with exchange or investement site,we can be make our life in danger if some people have bad purpose to you. thanks for remind me

BitcoinSupremo

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If you are paranoid about you being anonymous you can boot from Tails Live CD it has a Bitcoin wallet client installed by default, use your seed to import your funds from your wallet (which you should have never use before if you want to stay anonymous) in here and you can do pretty much untraceable transaction, now FBI and Sh*t NSA cannot track you. I am not an expert but I have learned this is a good way to bypass IP location in Bitcoin transactions.

owm123

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Quote from: kanazawa on April 03, 2016, 09:38:48 PM

All I can say is (again), that mixers are the best things to keep government claw very faraway... I won't split my money with some sharks like government do... I'm poor, and my sweaty money is mine. The government can eat my nuts but I'll hide everything from this communists hands and I say f*** to the big eagle over the mountain who tells me what I have to say, what I have to write and where and how much I have to spend. What I win is mine. Love mixers and I'll use them until it exist.

How can you be so sure that mixers dont log your transactions, and/or are law enforcment's honepots for ppl like you? Because they write on their website that they dont log anytihng?

kanazawa

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All I can say is (again), that mixers are the best things to keep government claw very faraway... I won't split my money with some sharks like government do... I'm poor, and my sweaty money is mine. The government can eat my nuts but I'll hide everything from this communists hands and I say f*** to the big eagle over the mountain who tells me what I have to say, what I have to write and where and how much I have to spend. What I win is mine. Love mixers and I'll use them until it exist.

DimensionZ

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Shit, did I leave the stove on?

Well guys you are lucky to have friends and family members that are into Bitcoin. My only option is to use crypto exchanges but I am okay with giving my ID to different institutions online so no big deal for me. Too much hiding is not good either right? Grin

Jet Cash

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There's some stuff about Cortana, and how to turn it off here -

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2974057/windows/how-to-turn-off-windows-10s-keylogger-yes-it-still-has-one.html

enhu

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Quote from: FlyingSaucer on February 29, 2016, 01:16:14 AM

There is no keylogger in Windows 10 but Microsoft could data mine you if you don't disable some settings.

Which settings must I disable?
I'm not windows user so I never really know about such programs to disable on windows. but I know its not always safe using MS system. This laptop of mine isn't use regularly but every time I use it, it usually includes money transfer and moving my bitcoin to this multibithd.

Kakmakr

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Quote from: DimensionZ on February 25, 2016, 11:19:36 AM

Quote from: Kprawn on February 25, 2016, 11:14:08 AM

Quote from: lottery248 on February 25, 2016, 06:33:44 AM

they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service. If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

I do not use exchanges to convert back to fiat. I sell to friends and family and people they know, who are into Bitcoin. So there is very little threat to me, to be kidnapped by them or having my identity exposed to unknown people. Keep it in the family, my friend. ^smile^

FlyingSaucer

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There is no keylogger in Windows 10 but Microsoft could data mine you if you don't disable some settings.

enhu

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If you intend to hide funds, you would rather use these services after all they are there to help.

Quote from: Jet Cash on February 25, 2016, 07:55:50 AM

Windows 10 now contains a keylogger. I'm commenting on the problems posted in this forum. I don't use any of the services, so I don't have any direct experience.

windows 10 contains keyloggers?
which program is it? I have windows 10 in my laptop just recently installed. and i also have multibit hd wallet there. thats the scary part.

kanazawa

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Long life to Mixers. The key things is anonimyzing. There's nothin' to fear, nothin' to hide. Almost everyone link mixers to criminals... but f*** that, we just want anonimyzing. Who lives in some fu**ed country andd travels a lot, there's nothin' better than a mixer. Think about it.

owm123

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Quote from: tobacco123 on February 28, 2016, 09:19:12 PM

I hope we are not helping money laundry here with these mixers. I don't use these services.

That's exactly what it is. You put dirty bitcoin, hoping for getting less dirty.

tobacco123

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I hope we are not helping money laundry here with these mixers. I don't use these services.

ShrykeZ

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They just mix coins, sure they can be used for nefariously obtained coins but I assume the majority of transactions are just to reinforce anonymity.

phishead

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Quote from: spazzdla on February 25, 2016, 11:39:59 AM

Quote from: freshman777 on February 25, 2016, 08:06:05 AM

One of problems in using Bitcoin mixers is 'dirty' coins from SilkRoad type websites. You put your coins in a mixer, you get back 'tainted' coins, who knows what kind of shady deals they had been used in before you got them. Keylogger is not a problem, don't use Windows - problem solved.

A bitcoin is a bitcoin is a bitcoin.

The idea of banning "shady" bitcoins is a GTFO of here.

Well, it's just simply true... You can look at the blockchain explorer yourself and see that some bitcoin transactions or wallets with Bitcoins have a certain level of "taint" to the coins. Some are worse than others, depending on if they mixed it or not, or if it's been passed on so many times that it sort of reduces taint over time. That's one of the main problems of Bitcoin is that it doesn't have proper fungibility.

Kprawn

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Quote from: Bitware on February 25, 2016, 12:16:05 PM

You must assume that some mixers will inevitably be honey pots to steal bitcoins, reclaim stolen bitcoins, and seize or confiscate bitcoins.

Agreed, but what if the coins you are using or have in your possession are from criminal actions of which you had no part of. Someone just paid you for some service or products you sold over the

internet. Would it not be better to just mix them a little to reduce the risk that you could be drawn into something, when you are totally innocent. If these services were honey pots, they would not

be in operation for this long, because they would have built up a reputation. If they wanted to steal coins, they would need to wait for the big haul {Long Con} and then go out with a bang. Roll Eyes

talkbitcoin

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All I know is that I know nothing.

if you are a criminal, you know what to do in order not to get caught like using linux instead of windows.
and for the rest of us we sometimes might want to stay a little bit anonymous while not doing anything illegal, so we don't care

Yakamoto

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Quote from: unamis76 on February 25, 2016, 09:28:02 AM

I don't think it draws attention to your transactions, especially because it's supposed to do the opposite... It's supposed to give you fresh coins in order to further enhance your privacy. It's also not designed or especially made for criminals, they just find it useful because of obvious reasons.

For the normal person it's a good tool to make your spending more private if you accidentally end up making your addresses known. Too bad many of these services turn out to be ran by scammers...

As for if they're worth using or not... Not really for me, but it has it's advantages.

Well it removes your address from the transaction, to an extent, but at the same time unless there is another $5 transaction occurring, it can be roughly interpolated that your transaction was intended to go to other address if there are not any other transactions that make it difficult to pinpoint the exact address the transaction was originally intended to got to.

tl;dr it doesn't draw unwanted attention but if someone is watching you, they might suspect you more.

Bitware

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You must assume that some mixers will inevitably be honey pots to steal bitcoins, reclaim stolen bitcoins, and seize or confiscate bitcoins.

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