mixers, anonymisers and bitcoin obfuscators - page 2.

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Quote from: spazzdla on February 25, 2016, 10:39:59 AM

Quote from: freshman777 on February 25, 2016, 07:06:05 AM

One of problems in using Bitcoin mixers is 'dirty' coins from SilkRoad type websites. You put your coins in a mixer, you get back 'tainted' coins, who knows what kind of shady deals they had been used in before you got them. Keylogger is not a problem, don't use Windows - problem solved.

A bitcoin is a bitcoin is a bitcoin.

The idea of banning "shady" bitcoins is a GTFO of here.

Yeah but this will keep happening like it or not, as long as people can see transactions over the blockchain, that's why confidential transactions and "integrated coinjoin" in a way (I think BIP47 is somewhat related to this idea) would be mandatory if we want to end with that. All of the transactions should be confidential transaction ON and "coinjoined" with random people, unless you want to do a clear A to B transaction for some reason.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on February 25, 2016, 10:24:16 AM

Quote from: DimensionZ on February 25, 2016, 09:47:54 AM

What do you mean Windows 10 contains a keylogger? Are you talking about the automatically released data to Microsoft of your daily usage? You can stop that by tinkering with the settings and stopping some services from activating.

I managed to disable windows contana, but it isn't easy. That contains a key logger. I suspect that there are other routines as well that store all your files and traffic in a windows cloud.

Protip: Worried about goobermint & MS spying on U?
Don't use Win10; boot from live *nix CD & use TOR.

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Quote from: DimensionZ on February 25, 2016, 10:34:33 AM

Selling to people on Localbitcoins is even more dangerous than providing your ID to somewhat 'legitimate' online exchanges in my honest opinion. You are letting random people see your face and possibly knowing the vicinity where you live. What about following you home and figuring out a way to kidnap or coerce you into giving them your big stash of coins? As the guy above me said when you go off the Internet your anonymity is gone immediately.

I more meant locally to friends and family. But localbitcoins would work too.

If you don't want your face to be seen, wear a baseball hat and shades, or get extreme and use stage makeup or a mask. Follow you home? Just don't let anyone follow you home. If you are that worried about it just use public transportation and ride all over the city before being sure no one is following you and finally go home. All I'm saying is there are ways to sell your BTC without giving up your identity, even if you have to jump through hoops to do it.

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Quote from: freshman777 on February 25, 2016, 07:06:05 AM

One of problems in using Bitcoin mixers is 'dirty' coins from SilkRoad type websites. You put your coins in a mixer, you get back 'tainted' coins, who knows what kind of shady deals they had been used in before you got them. Keylogger is not a problem, don't use Windows - problem solved.

A bitcoin is a bitcoin is a bitcoin.

The idea of banning "shady" bitcoins is a GTFO of here.

DimensionZ

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Shit, did I leave the stove on?

Selling to people on Localbitcoins is even more dangerous than providing your ID to somewhat 'legitimate' online exchanges in my honest opinion. You are letting random people see your face and possibly knowing the vicinity where you live. What about following you home and figuring out a way to kidnap or coerce you into giving them your big stash of coins? As the guy above me said when you go off the Internet your anonymity is gone immediately.

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Quote from: seedtrue on February 25, 2016, 10:22:39 AM

Quote from: DimensionZ on February 25, 2016, 10:19:36 AM

Quote from: Kprawn on February 25, 2016, 10:14:08 AM

Quote from: lottery248 on February 25, 2016, 05:33:44 AM

they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service. If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

Or you could just sell your recently mixed coins locally for cash. You do not need to provide an ID for that.

In this event you would have to reveal your identity face to face with some FBI undercover . Tongue

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Quote from: seedtrue on February 25, 2016, 10:22:39 AM

Quote from: DimensionZ on February 25, 2016, 10:19:36 AM

Quote from: Kprawn on February 25, 2016, 10:14:08 AM

Quote from: lottery248 on February 25, 2016, 05:33:44 AM

they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service. If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

Or you could just sell your recently mixed coins locally for cash. You do not need to provide an ID for that.

Well more and more people are demanding more data about the people they sell coins to which is annoying. In any case, what are you going to do when the governments get rid of cash? We better have better alternatives than that, and we will since we will have CoinJoin more functional and Confidential Transactions.

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Quote from: DimensionZ on February 25, 2016, 09:47:54 AM

What do you mean Windows 10 contains a keylogger? Are you talking about the automatically released data to Microsoft of your daily usage? You can stop that by tinkering with the settings and stopping some services from activating.

I managed to disable windows contana, but it isn't easy. That contains a key logger. I suspect that there are other routines as well that store all your files and traffic in a windows cloud.

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Quote from: DimensionZ on February 25, 2016, 10:19:36 AM

Quote from: Kprawn on February 25, 2016, 10:14:08 AM

Quote from: lottery248 on February 25, 2016, 05:33:44 AM

they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service. If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

That is exact imho. If you want to keep your anonimity at top levels you never have to go off from the anonimity chain. If you interrupt this anon chain is like having done nothing before.

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Quote from: DimensionZ on February 25, 2016, 10:19:36 AM

Quote from: Kprawn on February 25, 2016, 10:14:08 AM

Quote from: lottery248 on February 25, 2016, 05:33:44 AM

they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service. If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

Or you could just sell your recently mixed coins locally for cash. You do not need to provide an ID for that.

DimensionZ

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Shit, did I leave the stove on?

Quote from: Kprawn on February 25, 2016, 10:14:08 AM

Quote from: lottery248 on February 25, 2016, 05:33:44 AM

they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service. If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

I do agree that using a mixer increases your anonymity but what happens when you want to exchange some of your bitcoins into fiat? You need to provide your ID to the exchanges to get out your cash. It doesn't make sense to me to bother with mixers unless you send a fraction of your stash through a mixer to conceal your main wallet but this is a different story. I guess if it makes you happy and more secure online more power to you mate.

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Quote from: lottery248 on February 25, 2016, 05:33:44 AM

they are used to help anonymize the criminals, lol. in that case, they will be able to earn more money for the better service for those criminals. lmao.

That is nonsense.. I have never committed any crimes and I am using it. I even feel so strongly about it that I signed up for one of the biggest and reputable mixer's

signature campaigns. Your privacy is your business... If you use cash, you have the same anonymity as with the use of any mixer service. If the authorities wants to

trace criminals, who use mixer service, they only need to follow the rules of the game and subpoena these services for the information.

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Quote from: freshman777 on February 25, 2016, 07:06:05 AM

One of problems in using Bitcoin mixers is 'dirty' coins from SilkRoad type websites. You put your coins in a mixer, you get back 'tainted' coins, who knows what kind of shady deals they had been used in before you got them.

Basically my thinking here, more often than not you might get some tainted coins when majority of users using mixing services using these to launder their tainted coins. To me 0,5% fee is too much to just keep privacy without the need to launder tainted coins.

Maybe some feature like coinjoin between many user wallets could help with Bitcoin privacy.

DimensionZ

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Shit, did I leave the stove on?

Quote from: Jet Cash on February 25, 2016, 06:55:50 AM

Windows 10 now contains a keylogger. I'm commenting on the problems posted in this forum. I don't use any of the services, so I don't have any direct experience.

What do you mean Windows 10 contains a keylogger? Are you talking about the automatically released data to Microsoft of your daily usage? You can stop that by tinkering with the settings and stopping some services from activating.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on February 25, 2016, 05:24:27 AM

I've noticed that several members seem to be having problems as a result of using these services. With Google, Microsoft and others installing keyloggers, and other anti-privacy "services", is it worth trying to use them. I assume their use just draws attention to your transactions.

You won't be tracked easily if you use private computer (Linux/BSD OS, clean computer), secure internet connection (VPN, Tor, SSH or Proxy) & avoid service from big or popular companies which need many personal information.
Just use service from google or similar companies for general/unimportant purpose.

Quote from: Jet Cash on February 25, 2016, 06:55:50 AM

Windows 10 now contains a keylogger. I'm commenting on the problems posted in this forum. I don't use any of the services, so I don't have any direct experience.

There are few application to make windows 10 more secure, by disabling keylogger and other services or feature which could breach our privacy or secure information.

seedtrue

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I use a mixer sometimes, and I do not use Bitcoin for any illegal purposes. Sometimes I just like to feel like there is no body watching/following my transactions. I guess I may be a little paranoid, but I do not think I am the only one that does the same.

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at the least it can help prevent some spying. not entirety about what will happen but can help be more anonymous and cannot be track.

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I don't think it draws attention to your transactions, especially because it's supposed to do the opposite... It's supposed to give you fresh coins in order to further enhance your privacy. It's also not designed or especially made for criminals, they just find it useful because of obvious reasons.

For the normal person it's a good tool to make your spending more private if you accidentally end up making your addresses known. Too bad many of these services turn out to be ran by scammers...

As for if they're worth using or not... Not really for me, but it has it's advantages.

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One of problems in using Bitcoin mixers is 'dirty' coins from SilkRoad type websites. You put your coins in a mixer, you get back 'tainted' coins, who knows what kind of shady deals they had been used in before you got them. Keylogger is not a problem, don't use Windows - problem solved.

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Windows 10 now contains a keylogger. I'm commenting on the problems posted in this forum. I don't use any of the services, so I don't have any direct experience.

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