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November 26, 2014, 05:06:36 PM
#44
I fully understand that it would be impossible to moderate all the FUD, scams, etc that pop up on a daily basis. But why moderate/delete posts from legitimate altcoin exchanges that discuss coins being added to their marketplace?
See: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/advertising-spam-is-not-allowed-718124.
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November 26, 2014, 05:04:30 PM
#43
I fully understand that it would be impossible to moderate all the FUD, scams, etc that pop up on a daily basis. But why moderate/delete posts from legitimate altcoin exchanges that discuss coins being added to their marketplace?
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November 08, 2014, 04:33:07 AM
#42
After receiving a lot of PMs about this subject, seeing a lot of reports of this kind and after one of the global mods PMed me with suggestions regarding this topic, I thought that I should cover it:

Possible (or real, not for me to judge) FUD, accusations or statements are not moderated.

Moderators don't moderate for truth. However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. However, such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).

Possible (since we don't have the time or resources to check) insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somehwere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.

Possible scams aren't moderated either due to the fact that's it's extremely hard to make an unbiased decision on a limited amount of evidence and time. Moderators don't have time to be investigators.

Legal note: This is forum policy, not mine.


Trolling should be allowed because somebody is left judging if it is the "truth" or not. This obviously brings an abuse of power into the situation. Censorship leads nowhere.
That's the thing - it's usually easy to spot blatant trolling since it breaks other rules (low quality post, no arguments, posting off-topic gibberish, etc.).
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November 08, 2014, 01:49:27 AM
#41
After receiving a lot of PMs about this subject, seeing a lot of reports of this kind and after one of the global mods PMed me with suggestions regarding this topic, I thought that I should cover it:

Possible (or real, not for me to judge) FUD, accusations or statements are not moderated.

Moderators don't moderate for truth. However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. However, such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).

Possible (since we don't have the time or resources to check) insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somehwere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.

Possible scams aren't moderated either due to the fact that's it's extremely hard to make an unbiased decision on a limited amount of evidence and time. Moderators don't have time to be investigators.

Legal note: This is forum policy, not mine.


Trolling should be allowed because somebody is left judging if it is the "truth" or not. This obviously brings an abuse of power into the situation. Censorship leads nowhere.
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November 06, 2014, 07:08:56 AM
#40
Could we perhaps get this thread either deleted or renamed them?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-emunie-caution-advised-411366

I've been asking various mods for MONTHS to get this sorted out as it is obvious trolling and every accusation was proven WRONG.  The poster even attempted blackmail, and then did the same with other developers.

It shows up near to the top of Google first page for a search of eMunie, I've put 110% of everything into this project, and its damaging,  Tbh that thread still being here with that title and first post content is wearing my patience thin and exacerbating my frustrations.

I'd be very grateful if something could finally be done about it.

Thanks.
That means that the mods you were asking didn't think it was trolling, neither do I. He posted it in a calm, constructive matter. Regarding the accusations being wrong (from this thread's OP):

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Moderators don't moderate for truth.
legendary
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November 06, 2014, 12:11:04 AM
#39
Could we perhaps get this thread either deleted or renamed them?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-alert-emunie-caution-advised-411366

I've been asking various mods for MONTHS to get this sorted out as it is obvious trolling and every accusation was proven WRONG.  The poster even attempted blackmail, and then did the same with other developers.

It shows up near to the top of Google first page for a search of eMunie, I've put 110% of everything into this project, and its damaging,  Tbh that thread still being here with that title and first post content is wearing my patience thin and exacerbating my frustrations.

I'd be very grateful if something could finally be done about it.

Thanks.
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November 03, 2014, 11:08:02 PM
#38


The moderation is basically a libertarian approach just as the whole BTC thing has a libertarian concept around it.
To the ill educated ones who cant quite grasp the sensible moderation approach please visit your local library and read everything.
Seriously?  Roll Eyes
Of all the places you would imagine the libertarian concept to be fully understood it would be here. But nah, we see
the same brainwashed hordes running around demanding their liberties be taken away from them.
Doesnt matter the reason, their always the same
Ultimately these people shoot themselves in the foot.

The mods approach is correct!


While there are a few libertarians on this board, they are in the minority - just like in real live.
As you stand on your pedestal castigating the "ill educated", keep in mind that

• [miners] are in complete control of Bitcoin's production in the absence of a central authority
• [miners] are remunerated proportionally for their effort
• The entire Bitcoin ecosystem is entirely dependent on a [consensus-based blockchain]

Now, replace
[miners] with [workers]
[central authority] with [factory owners, landowners, etc.]
[consensus-based blockchain] with [democratic blockchain]

What do you have? Limited socialism at play.

I also used to think the forum administrators were libertarians. Now I realize they are just apathetic.
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November 01, 2014, 09:58:54 PM
#37
How many threads are allowed to cover the same topic? I see 7 threads on the front page right now all making accusations against Dan Metcalf and Blocknet.

This is true this Spoetnik guy has almost 8 threads of pretty much the same thing. Then a few of his friends made even more. Way too much. Delete most of them and keep 1 or 2. It's out of control.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
November 01, 2014, 05:12:44 PM
#36
And the dev of Blockent is egging everyone on non stop on his self modded topic too (then deleting anything that challenges him)
he claims everyone is a photshop'ing dirt bag of sorts and denies all evidence = hence a problem LOL
it's called honesty !

read this..

Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains / XBridge / true cross-chain P2P
Fudsters will FUD.

Scammers will scam and Liars will lie.

and Spoetnik will always be full of shit.... nothing new here, just trolls, fudders and Spoetnik....

Morning all

Have I been mistaken in reading Spoetnik's threads as parody?

I mean, they read like a parody of FUD - and a witty one. Some of them have been hilarious (like the Blocknet being scammy because we use "pictures" in the OP. Ha ha!).

Personally I thought he was trying to take the piss out of the fudsters who take themselves seriously.

Am I wrong?


then..

Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains / XBridge / true cross-chain P2P
Do not respond to or discuss unverifiable FUD claims here.

Doing so only perpetrates more FUD, even (and especially) if you defend against it.

Unverifiable = ignore.

Moving on...

How is it unverifiable if you don't verify it by asking ?
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November 01, 2014, 05:06:35 PM
#35
I agree.  

The issue of the backlash XC is facing is due to their claims of being transparent with a heavy heavy hand at self moderating topic.  Combine that with shady practices that have turned into an outright scam and their closed sourced software that makes unverifiable claims.  Throw in an ICO trying to raise $1,000,000 and a known pump artist and you have the explosion of topics FOR GOOD REASON.

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Is there any tech in place on BCT to prevent people from making several new accounts?

Theymos has said he doesn't have a problem with multiple accounts.  Sometimes it allows the bringing out of news without people revealing themselves as targets.  For instance Dan threatening to sue people over revealing information he had a major interest in hiding.

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I think Dan should take legal action against the owners and administrators of this forum. Which may mean the end of this forum, but it's wrong to for the admins to not take some responsibility.

Dan has used this forum to market his coin.  He has used it to market an ICO that has raised almost 300K.  If it was not for him posting on bitcointalk none of those things would have happened.  Your problem is that the's being held accountable here for his actions.

Tough luck.  You can't sucker people for money then get pissed and expect the bitcoin forum to censor them when they find out (or even if they just feel) like they are being ripped off.  It's part of asking for money on a public forum (duh).

The list of namecalling, threats, doxxing of Spotniek & outright nastiness has DEFIANTLY come from the XCurrency camp.  NOT those of us bringing out information you would prefer to stay hidden.

Can't believe you guys are in here bawling about it because you can't bully your wait thru a main forum.  And threatening to sue the forum owners.
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
November 01, 2014, 04:51:27 PM
#34
Blocknet..
They refused to let people speak on their self moderated topic.
then when we tried to discuss it on one or two other topics they trolled and SPAMMED it hard !

proof of this is moderators having to delete 18 comments from one guy alone who posted giant walls of white space to hide what we said.
This senseless trolling / spamming and name calling has flooded any topic with garbage i know i have been deleting their comments on my self moderated topic !
They line up to flood them with name calling and nothing else.

This causes more topics to be made because people can not speak with out being trolled and spammed.. flooding, causing a diversion and insults.

so surprise surprise they wander off here and started crying playing innocent LOL

guys playing dumb about Trolling and spamming i have been reporting you while come to this topic and cry..
whining about people TALKING like adults while guys act like 2yrd old's name calling & spamming ? seriously ? that is rich ahahhaa
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November 01, 2014, 04:25:21 PM
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November 01, 2014, 02:38:08 PM
#32
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November 01, 2014, 08:28:21 AM
#31
Is there any tech in place on BCT to prevent people from making several new accounts?

Am going to bump my own question, really want to know! Remember reading somewhere it is not allowed. But is it enforced in any way?

Also: Is it according to the MODs an option to prevent a newbie account, just minutes old, to open a thread?




legendary
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October 31, 2014, 07:31:03 PM
#30
How many threads are allowed to cover the same topic? I see 7 threads on the front page right now all making accusations against Dan Metcalf and Blocknet.
I think Dan should take legal action against the owners and administrators of this forum. Which may mean the end of this forum, but it's wrong to for the admins to not take some responsibility.
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October 31, 2014, 01:45:25 PM
#29
How many threads are allowed to cover the same topic? I see 7 threads on the front page right now all making accusations against Dan Metcalf and Blocknet.
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October 31, 2014, 06:58:23 AM
#28
Don't so nervous.The real FUD post has no substantial content.
If you believe the FUD, then prove you still need to learn.Learn to judge true and false.These can only rely on yourself, can't rely on the strength of others. Smiley
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October 30, 2014, 08:30:36 AM
#27
Ok, I know about "renting" one's sig space, and  even "selling" account but this new one takes the cake -- professional trolls.

I know of a thread where by all reasonable appearances someone hired a professional troll service to spread FUD all over the thread, while ironically trying to promote a product.

So here's my question: "do you permit professional troll services?"

Oh, and the team so far is 6 to 7  deep.  
If you can prove he was hired or it can be seen from the first look that he's constantly posting nonsense, then he will get banned.

Also promotion of other products in threads is considered ad spam and off-topic and thus not allowed.


Wow, so professional troll services are permitted; shame.

When you condone dishonesty and deceit by allowing it in policy it drives goodness away leaving you only with evil.

The cryptocurrency industry is being crippled by the inordinate abundance of scams you should do what you can to eliminate them not codify them.



Where did you see me say that? I, in fact, said, if you can prove he participates in such service, the troll will get banned. If you are talking about scams, we don't moderate the due to possible abuse, huge volume of said occurences and in most cases non-solid evidence. However, any service that promotes/encourages/gives incentive for breaking the rules is not allowed.
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October 30, 2014, 05:23:35 AM
#26
Ok, I know about "renting" one's sig space, and  even "selling" account but this new one takes the cake -- professional trolls.

I know of a thread where by all reasonable appearances someone hired a professional troll service to spread FUD all over the thread, while ironically trying to promote a product.

So here's my question: "do you permit professional troll services?"

Oh, and the team so far is 6 to 7  deep.  
If you can prove he was hired or it can be seen from the first look that he's constantly posting nonsense, then he will get banned.

Also promotion of other products in threads is considered ad spam and off-topic and thus not allowed.
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October 24, 2014, 11:25:47 AM
#25
Efforts to keep things clean don't go unappreciated. Can be difficult with an online community sometimes.
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