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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 13, 2012, 03:21:01 PM

you would have been best served by meeting my moderator criticisms head on in the original threads and explaining your position as you have here in this thread open for all to see.

This certainly would have been off-topic. The replies of both of you would then have needed to have been deleted.

cypherdoc

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Quote from: hazek on October 13, 2012, 02:51:49 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 13, 2012, 02:46:00 PM

Quote from: hazek on October 13, 2012, 12:58:47 PM

The only reason why I moved some threads discussing what ever aspect of Bitcoin Foundation with whatever opinion and not others is a time difference.

Specifically I moved all treads in the initial time period after the announcement when I thought I'd eventually move the announcement as well, I did so regardless of who started the thread and what it was about. And I now leave all threads in the time period after I was instructed to leave the announcement in Bitcoin Discussion and that I can do the same with threads commenting on it, and again I do so regardless of who started the thread and what it was about.

The inconsistency is a result of me trying to be consisted in the beginning and me being given my instructions and readjusting my moderation so that it could again be consistent. Anyone reading anything more than this into my actions is seeing motives or actions that just aren't part of reality.

is that yellow ignore button of yours not reality also?

is the fact that you used the stupid "off topic" excuse to censor/delete my critical comments within seconds of posting to avoid embarassment also not reality?

I didn't censor anything, I split the topic and moved your off topic posts to the appropriate section and deleted the few other off topic posts that you kept posting in the initial thread only because I couldn't split those and merge with the split thread as I've explained myself here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1267686
and here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1268026

continuing to use the "off topic" excuse as a reason to banish my comments over here to the Meta forum is not helping your case but in fact illuminating your hypocrisy. most threads are filled with off topic posts and i don't see you censoring/deleting/banishing those posts to Meta. you would have been best served by meeting my moderator criticisms head on in the original threads and explaining your position as you have here in this thread open for all to see. censoring post after post of mine yesterday within seconds clearly showed a panic to avoid iluminating criticism and i'm guessing embarassment. it didn't have to be that way.

the real conundrum, as i stated previously, is that i thought you were a champion of free speech and opinion as was my impression from you in past posts. i am greatly disappointed.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 13, 2012, 02:46:00 PM

Quote from: hazek on October 13, 2012, 12:58:47 PM

The only reason why I moved some threads discussing what ever aspect of Bitcoin Foundation with whatever opinion and not others is a time difference.

Specifically I moved all treads in the initial time period after the announcement when I thought I'd eventually move the announcement as well, I did so regardless of who started the thread and what it was about. And I now leave all threads in the time period after I was instructed to leave the announcement in Bitcoin Discussion and that I can do the same with threads commenting on it, and again I do so regardless of who started the thread and what it was about.

The inconsistency is a result of me trying to be consisted in the beginning and me being given my instructions and readjusting my moderation so that it could again be consistent. Anyone reading anything more than this into my actions is seeing motives or actions that just aren't part of reality.

is that yellow ignore button of yours not reality also?

is the fact that you used the stupid "off topic" excuse to censor/delete my critical comments within seconds of posting to avoid embarassment also not reality?

I didn't censor anything, I split the topic and moved your off topic posts to the appropriate section and deleted the few other off topic posts that you kept posting in the initial thread only because I couldn't split those and merge with the split thread as I've explained myself here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1267686
and here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1268026

cypherdoc

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Quote from: hazek on October 13, 2012, 12:58:47 PM

The only reason why I moved some threads discussing what ever aspect of Bitcoin Foundation with whatever opinion and not others is a time difference.

Specifically I moved all treads in the initial time period after the announcement when I thought I'd eventually move the announcement as well, I did so regardless of who started the thread and what it was about. And I now leave all threads in the time period after I was instructed to leave the announcement in Bitcoin Discussion and that I can do the same with threads commenting on it, and again I do so regardless of who started the thread and what it was about.

The inconsistency is a result of me trying to be consisted in the beginning and me being given my instructions and readjusting my moderation so that it could again be consistent. Anyone reading anything more than this into my actions is seeing motives or actions that just aren't part of reality.

is that yellow ignore button of yours not reality also?

is the fact that you used the stupid "off topic" excuse to censor/delete my critical comments within seconds of posting to avoid embarassment also not reality?

hazek

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The only reason why I moved some threads discussing what ever aspect of Bitcoin Foundation with whatever opinion and not others is a time difference.

Specifically I moved all treads in the initial time period after the announcement when I thought I'd eventually move the announcement as well, I did so regardless of who started the thread and what it was about. And I now leave all threads in the time period after I was instructed to leave the announcement in Bitcoin Discussion and that I can do the same with threads commenting on it, and again I do so regardless of who started the thread and what it was about.

The inconsistency is a result of me trying to be consisted in the beginning and me being given my instructions and readjusting my moderation so that it could again be consistent. Anyone reading anything more than this into my actions is seeing motives or actions that just aren't part of reality.

cypherdoc

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Quote from: acoindr on October 13, 2012, 12:18:05 PM

cypherdoc, my opinion on the matter is the Bitcoin Foundation was a special case.

Technically, the announcement of it belongs in Service Announcements/Discussion, yet it remains on the main forum. I think this inconsistency is tolerable given the significance of TBF. The community reacted strongly to it, in more than one way. So complaining about moderation inconsistency over that announcement is understandable, but I think a bit rigid.

understood. a few things though:

1. I was logged in that whole day of the announcement. Atlas put up no less than 5-6 threads bashing devs and the BF. i was not the only one who noticed either. hazek moved many other threads that day except these. i brought my concerns up in one of Atlas's threads and he told me hazek agrees with him fundamentally as a reason for his behavior. i believe this to be true. ok fine, i'm all for different opinions. but that many threads and such blatant favoritism?

2. I thought the matter was over but yesterday when I started bringing it up again in the Hammer thread, hazek inexplicably starts deleting and moving my comments over here. and i mean instantly within seconds under the guise of "off topic". i even put up a post in the Hammer thread with a link to this thread and even that was deleted. WTF?!@! if off topic is his criteria for moving comments to Meta, this would be the new Discussion forum. i've never had that happen to me and its clear he is censoring any criticism of his actions. he knows hardly anyone comes over to Meta.

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cypherdoc, my opinion on the matter is the Bitcoin Foundation was a special case.

Technically, the announcement of it belongs in Service Announcements/Discussion, yet it remains on the main forum. I think this inconsistency is tolerable given the significance of TBF. The community reacted strongly to it, in more than one way. So complaining about moderation inconsistency over that announcement is understandable, but I think a bit rigid.

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cypherdoc,

It is true, I did delete a few of your off topic posts, only because they were off topic and posted after I had already split the thread and moved your initial off topic posts and after I notified you about that with a PM. Unfortunately this forum doesn't, at least not to my knowledge, allow me to merge threads. If I could do that I would have split your posts from that original thread and moved them into this one. Since I couldn't and your posts were off topic, and I wasn't going to create new threads and move those, I opted to delete your posts.

You are more than welcome to repost all of them here.

Best regards,
hazek

p.s.: Moved posts are not censorship. Most issues have their appropriate sections of the forum, for example forum & and moderator discussion belongs in Meta.

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Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 01:52:15 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 01:41:37 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 01:17:27 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 01:07:44 PM

we've been banished to a section of the forum where no one visits which is why the topic was moved in the first place. don't waste my time.

you know full well what threads i'm talking about since you're the one who put them up.

save me the time. you pull them up.

I remember covering many subjects that day. I think you're just mad that the Bitcoin Foundation hasn't risen to total power yet.

see, its comments like those that make ppl like me reject what you have to say. all those threads had a similar tone to them. i could care less about the BF. what i don't like is your trolling.

and as far as hazek is concerned i'm really disappointed b/c i thought he was intelligent. censoring mild criticism like mine shows a deep insecurity. after all the BS he spews about democracy, elitists, corporatocracy; its all just bull to me now.

There's no censorship here. Your criticism was offtopic.

he actually deleted a few of my posts. and the immediacy of the actions clearly indicates a desire to hide criticism. hazek should be ashamed.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 01:41:37 PM

Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 01:17:27 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 01:07:44 PM

we've been banished to a section of the forum where no one visits which is why the topic was moved in the first place. don't waste my time.

you know full well what threads i'm talking about since you're the one who put them up.

save me the time. you pull them up.

I remember covering many subjects that day. I think you're just mad that the Bitcoin Foundation hasn't risen to total power yet.

see, its comments like those that make ppl like me reject what you have to say. all those threads had a similar tone to them. i could care less about the BF. what i don't like is your trolling.

and as far as hazek is concerned i'm really disappointed b/c i thought he was intelligent. censoring mild criticism like mine shows a deep insecurity. after all the BS he spews about democracy, elitists, corporatocracy; its all just bull to me now.

There's no censorship here. Your criticism was offtopic.

cypherdoc

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Quote from: Atlas on October 12, 2012, 01:17:27 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 01:07:44 PM

we've been banished to a section of the forum where no one visits which is why the topic was moved in the first place. don't waste my time.

you know full well what threads i'm talking about since you're the one who put them up.

save me the time. you pull them up.

I remember covering many subjects that day. I think you're just mad that the Bitcoin Foundation hasn't risen to total power yet.

see, its comments like those that make ppl like me reject what you have to say. all those threads had a similar tone to them. i could care less about the BF. what i don't like is your trolling.

and as far as hazek is concerned i'm really disappointed b/c i thought he was intelligent. censoring mild criticism like mine shows a deep insecurity. after all the BS he spews about democracy, elitists, corporatocracy; its all just bull to me now.

Atlas

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 01:07:44 PM

we've been banished to a section of the forum where no one visits which is why the topic was moved in the first place. don't waste my time.

you know full well what threads i'm talking about since you're the one who put them up.

save me the time. you pull them up.

I remember covering many subjects that day. I think you're just mad that the Bitcoin Foundation hasn't risen to total power yet.

cypherdoc

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we've been banished to a section of the forum where no one visits which is why the topic was moved in the first place. don't waste my time.

you know full well what threads i'm talking about since you're the one who put them up.

save me the time. you pull them up.

Atlas

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 01:00:21 PM

Quote from: DannyHamilton on October 12, 2012, 11:56:55 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 11:47:40 AM

Quote from: DannyHamilton on October 12, 2012, 11:43:36 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 11:18:26 AM

have you noticed the boatload of threads that get moved? how are those decisions made? i would think mods should be impartial and not just keep threads they philosophically agree with. that's what's happened here.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. That mods move threads to forum topics that better suit the discussion at hand? And this is somehow a bad thing?

allowing 5-6 threads on the same topic simultaneously, by a guy like Atlas, bashing the devs and BF is inappropriate. that's my opinion.

And yet you state "i would think mods should be impartial". You don't see my confusion about the point you are trying to make?

On the one hand you state that the mods should not be impartial, that they should remove threads by Atlas that they disagree with. On the other hand you state that mods should be impartial and imply that they should keep all threads and "not just keep threads they philosophically agree with".

Perhaps you are experiencing a bout of cognitive dissonance?

my original response to your comment got censored by hazek so let me repost:

i don't have a problem with Atlas putting up one post expressing his opinion on the topic but what he did, and was allowed to do, is put up 5-6 threads all on the same subject with slight variation which bashed the devs and BF. don't make me go back and dig them up all posted on essentially the same day that the BF was announced.

Show us the evidence.

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Quote from: DannyHamilton on October 12, 2012, 11:56:55 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 11:47:40 AM

Quote from: DannyHamilton on October 12, 2012, 11:43:36 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 11:18:26 AM

have you noticed the boatload of threads that get moved? how are those decisions made? i would think mods should be impartial and not just keep threads they philosophically agree with. that's what's happened here.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. That mods move threads to forum topics that better suit the discussion at hand? And this is somehow a bad thing?

allowing 5-6 threads on the same topic simultaneously, by a guy like Atlas, bashing the devs and BF is inappropriate. that's my opinion.

And yet you state "i would think mods should be impartial". You don't see my confusion about the point you are trying to make?

On the one hand you state that the mods should not be impartial, that they should remove threads by Atlas that they disagree with. On the other hand you state that mods should be impartial and imply that they should keep all threads and "not just keep threads they philosophically agree with".

Perhaps you are experiencing a bout of cognitive dissonance?

my original response to your comment got censored by hazek so let me repost:

i don't have a problem with Atlas putting up one post expressing his opinion on the topic but what he did, and was allowed to do, is put up 5-6 threads all on the same subject with slight variation which bashed the devs and BF. don't make me go back and dig them up all posted on essentially the same day that the BF was announced.

cypherdoc

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hazek, do u have any idea what you're doing censoring this forum like this?

cypherdoc

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Quote from: hazek on October 12, 2012, 12:20:23 PM

cypherdoc,

If you are not happy with the way I fulfill my responsibility to the administrator of this forum as a moderator you are more than welcome to post a complaint in this appropriate section of the forum. Also in case you didn't know this, I'm not the only one moderating Bitcoin Discussions and I am not the only one receiving reports and if there is a dilemma, ultimately the forum administrator gets to decide how moderation is applied.

All I do is what I promised the forum administrator I would do and I follow his guidelines to the letter. I'm sorry if that doesn't make you happy, but then that isn't my problem, it's your problem with the forum administrator.

So I ask you for the sake of keeping the section I moderate clean and for the sake of solving inefficiencies or moderator abuse as fast and as efficient as possible, please, in the future, present your complaints directly to the administrator instead of attacking me as an off topic reply to a random post of mine.

Thank you.

Best regards,
hazek

dude, i just responded to your agitated post above. it seems you're the one who can't handle it.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1266943

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cypherdoc,

If you are not happy with the way I fulfill my responsibility to the administrator of this forum as a moderator you are more than welcome to post a complaint in this appropriate section of the forum. Also in case you didn't know this, I'm not the only one moderating Bitcoin Discussions and I am not the only one receiving reports and if there is a dilemma, ultimately the forum administrator gets to decide how moderation is applied.

All I do is what I promised the forum administrator I would do and I follow his guidelines to the letter. I'm sorry if that doesn't make you happy, but then that isn't my problem, it's your problem with the forum administrator.

So I ask you for the sake of keeping the section I moderate clean and for the sake of solving inefficiencies or moderator abuse as fast and as efficient as possible, please, in the future, present your complaints directly to the administrator instead of attacking me as an off topic reply to a random post of mine.

Thank you.

Best regards,
hazek

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 11:47:40 AM

Quote from: DannyHamilton on October 12, 2012, 11:43:36 AM

Quote from: cypherdoc on October 12, 2012, 11:18:26 AM

have you noticed the boatload of threads that get moved? how are those decisions made? i would think mods should be impartial and not just keep threads they philosophically agree with. that's what's happened here.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make. That mods move threads to forum topics that better suit the discussion at hand? And this is somehow a bad thing?

allowing 5-6 threads on the same topic simultaneously, by a guy like Atlas, bashing the devs and BF is inappropriate. that's my opinion.

And yet you state "i would think mods should be impartial". You don't see my confusion about the point you are trying to make?

On the one hand you state that the mods should not be impartial, that they should remove threads by Atlas that they disagree with. On the other hand you state that mods should be impartial and imply that they should keep all threads and "not just keep threads they philosophically agree with".

Perhaps you are experiencing a bout of cognitive dissonance?

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