Topic: Moderator please remove post about Counterfeit PAMP Suisse Gold Bars (Read 5154 times)
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December 25, 2014, 01:54:35 AM
People openly sell these bars on eBay for around £10, though it might be a legal grey area in reality. I suppose it could be trademark infringement or something with the branded bars.
December 24, 2014, 06:13:27 PM
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Since you are here, can you explain briefly why fake Morgans are off limits and PAMP Suisse bars are okay? You don't owe an explanation to anyone, but I am curious why you would sell these and still be against others selling fake Morgans on Bitcointalk.
As Tecshare has explained 30 times in this thread, ...
I have been following this thread. The reason I asked this question is I thought hearing from johnniewalker himself would give this thread some closer on the topic.
December 24, 2014, 05:48:06 PM
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Since you are here, can you explain briefly why fake Morgans are off limits and PAMP Suisse bars are okay? You don't owe an explanation to anyone, but I am curious why you would sell these and still be against others selling fake Morgans on Bitcointalk.
As Tecshare has explained 30 times in this thread, there are anti counterfeiting acts to prevent people from counterfeiting Currency 1 oz Silver/gold Eagles for example are coins created by the US mint with a face value in USD on them possession of counterfeit currency is a crime, however Pamp bars are not created by any government mint, and have no legal tender face value on them, therefore they do not fall under currency counterfeiting laws. Morgan Silver Dollars are legal tender in the US, fake Morgans are the same as fake $1 Bills. When I ordered more metal testing chemicals off of Amazon, it came with fake bullion to help newbies to metal testing learn to spot the difference in chemical colors when dealing with real vs fake bullion. As long as you aren't trying to pass fake bullion off as real. Legitimate companies offer them for a variety of reason.
If you know the case of Norfed, the owner got busted for counterfeiting because he put $ values on the rounds he made, however private mints that make bullion aren't shut down because they don't put any face value on their bullion. The difference between a coin and a round, is a coin is legal tender, bullion comes in rounds/bars/ingots
And the huge fact that the only fake Morgans I have seen on here were offered as real. I have a collection of fake coins myself-I find them almost as fun to collect as authentic coins...the range in quality in terms of stamp, die, cast, material, etc. is fascinating. Although, there are very few people I would trust to sell fake coins to. These bars are a different story-I think about everybody on my Christmas list got one.
December 24, 2014, 04:44:18 PM
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Since you are here, can you explain briefly why fake Morgans are off limits and PAMP Suisse bars are okay? You don't owe an explanation to anyone, but I am curious why you would sell these and still be against others selling fake Morgans on Bitcointalk.
As Tecshare has explained 30 times in this thread, there are anti counterfeiting acts to prevent people from counterfeiting Currency 1 oz Silver/gold Eagles for example are coins created by the US mint with a face value in USD on them possession of counterfeit currency is a crime, however Pamp bars are not created by any government mint, and have no legal tender face value on them, therefore they do not fall under currency counterfeiting laws. Morgan Silver Dollars are legal tender in the US, fake Morgans are the same as fake $1 Bills. When I ordered more metal testing chemicals off of Amazon, it came with fake bullion to help newbies to metal testing learn to spot the difference in chemical colors when dealing with real vs fake bullion. As long as you aren't trying to pass fake bullion off as real. Legitimate companies offer them for a variety of reason.
If you know the case of Norfed, the owner got busted for counterfeiting because he put $ values on the rounds he made, however private mints that make bullion aren't shut down because they don't put any face value on their bullion. The difference between a coin and a round, is a coin is legal tender, bullion comes in rounds/bars/ingots
December 24, 2014, 12:43:37 PM
its interesting how he thinks fake pamp is ok but fake morgans are not? where is the line on fakes acceptable? i see alibab selling the full range of perth mint lunars, should i also sell them here?
link to the post where he has something to say about fake morgans. I see no difference between selling fake morgans and fake pamp, fake is fake.
December 24, 2014, 08:22:10 AM
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Since you are here, can you explain briefly why fake Morgans are off limits and PAMP Suisse bars are okay? You don't owe an explanation to anyone, but I am curious why you would sell these and still be against others selling fake Morgans on Bitcointalk.
December 24, 2014, 01:12:51 AM
A newbie bumping an old thread? Hope this is a legit conversation but johnniewalker has been known for dealing dodgily for sometime now, haven't seen him around very much actually so maybe his practices finally caught up to him or he gave up, there have been plenty of complaints about him.
What are you talking about? December 24, 2014, 01:12:14 AM
Bought one of these same bars for $20 in black market long time ago, sold it for $1000 on Craigslist couple weeks back 
Nice to know you can't be trusted.
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Jonnie even agrees noing my intentions!!!!
I want all fake gold bars. Sell Sell Sell to meeee then i sell on craigs!!! I pay $20 per! MAKE ME MONEY!
I will remember all of uuu!
Jonniewalker I saw your ad please sell all of the bars u have to me sir I will make u rich man i send pm 15 mins ago no reply yet but im excitedly waitin
Mr walker i am waiting for u sir!
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Have plenty of these available -
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-replica-pamp-suisse-1-oz-gold-bars-903001
0.5BTC per 10 bars.
Buy 20 for 0.9BTC
50 bars in total available.
My BTC address : 1Du5h3sUssReR7sHK5TQKbVoJDoK5e57X6
After payment drop me a pm with your shipping info and number of bars ordered.
December 23, 2014, 11:43:26 AM
A newbie bumping an old thread? Hope this is a legit conversation but johnniewalker has been known for dealing dodgily for sometime now, haven't seen him around very much actually so maybe his practices finally caught up to him or he gave up, there have been plenty of complaints about him.
December 23, 2014, 10:31:33 AM
Selling fake bars under correct pretenses is not illegal. If Johnniewalker tells you they are fake, its not illegal (since they are not Government issue coins like gold eagles, gold maples, etc)
@above you better be careful selling those fakes on craigslist as real, there are some really hyperinflated penalties that were designed to stop scammy jewelers. 20+ years you can be incarcerated for trying to sell fake bullion as fake. Frankly you are better off dealing drugs, less strict penalties. (Not that I advocate you do either)
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/johnneiwalker-405641
@above you better be careful selling those fakes on craigslist as real, there are some really hyperinflated penalties that were designed to stop scammy jewelers. 20+ years you can be incarcerated for trying to sell fake bullion as fake. Frankly you are better off dealing drugs, less strict penalties. (Not that I advocate you do either)
*edit*
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/johnneiwalker-405641
December 23, 2014, 10:00:03 AM
Bought one of these same bars for $20 in black market long time ago, sold it for $1000 on Craigslist couple weeks back
Nice to know you can't be trusted.
sent jonnie a message i wait for him eagerly!!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Jonnie even agrees noing my intentions!!!!
I want all fake gold bars. Sell Sell Sell to meeee then i sell on craigs!!! I pay $20 per! MAKE ME MONEY!
I will remember all of uuu!
Jonniewalker I saw your ad please sell all of the bars u have to me sir I will make u rich man i send pm 15 mins ago no reply yet but im excitedly waitin
Mr walker i am waiting for u sir!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ILL SEND 1ST
Have plenty of these available -
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-replica-pamp-suisse-1-oz-gold-bars-903001
0.5BTC per 10 bars.
Buy 20 for 0.9BTC
50 bars in total available.
My BTC address : 1Du5h3sUssReR7sHK5TQKbVoJDoK5e57X6
After payment drop me a pm with your shipping info and number of bars ordered.
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December 23, 2014, 09:37:03 AM
Bought one of these same bars for $20 in black market long time ago, sold it for $1000 on Craigslist couple weeks back
Nice to know you can't be trusted.
December 23, 2014, 09:34:54 AM
Bought one of these same bars for $20 in black market long time ago, sold it for $1000 on Craigslist couple weeks back
Going to ask Jonnie if I can buy all of his bars~!
Time to make $$$$$$!!!!!! 
Going to ask Jonnie if I can buy all of his bars~!
Time to make $$$$$$!!!!!!
December 05, 2014, 09:56:03 AM
as long as its labelled fake, many of these are not.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1858-Liberty-Head-Eagle-Ancient-Gold_848518757.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1858-Liberty-Head-Eagle-Ancient-Gold_848518757.html
December 05, 2014, 09:10:54 AM
its interesting how he thinks fake pamp is ok but fake morgans are not? where is the line on fakes acceptable? i see alibab selling the full range of perth mint lunars, should i also sell them here?
link to the post where he has something to say about fake morgans. I see no difference between selling fake morgans and fake pamp, fake is fake.
This is a helpful distinction. I tend to think of fake precious metals as different from fake consumer goods, but maybe that is more of my own worldview than some universally accepted principle.
December 05, 2014, 06:52:42 AM
its interesting how he thinks fake pamp is ok but fake morgans are not? where is the line on fakes acceptable? i see alibab selling the full range of perth mint lunars, should i also sell them here?
link to the post where he has something to say about fake morgans. I see no difference between selling fake morgans and fake pamp, fake is fake.
so thats where we draw the line, fake non legal tender is ok but government backed currency is not?
i think morgans fit into the fake ok category as they are no longer legally accepted currency.
December 05, 2014, 01:58:35 AM
its interesting how he thinks fake pamp is ok but fake morgans are not? where is the line on fakes acceptable? i see alibab selling the full range of perth mint lunars, should i also sell them here?
link to the post where he has something to say about fake morgans. I see no difference between selling fake morgans and fake pamp, fake is fake.
December 04, 2014, 06:16:56 AM
its interesting how he thinks fake pamp is ok but fake morgans are not? where is the line on fakes acceptable? i see alibab selling the full range of perth mint lunars, should i also sell them here?
link to the post where he has something to say about fake morgans. I see no difference between selling fake morgans and fake pamp, fake is fake.
December 04, 2014, 06:07:24 AM
its interesting how he thinks fake pamp is ok but fake morgans are not? where is the line on fakes acceptable? i see alibab selling the full range of perth mint lunars, should i also sell them here?
November 08, 2014, 01:07:37 PM
I remember the old stance on this kind of issues is that if it's not posted with the intention to defraud someone else (victimless) and does not include illegal drugs/weapons/etc, it is considered acceptable to post here. JW's been upfront about the fake issue, so I don't think that's an issue here.
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