Topic: Moderators Doubling Membership Fee Despite People Loosing Jobs (Read 703 times)
Damn bro, theymos gotta eat too.
Welcome to the problem of political science. Figuring out a system that can't be abused, yet is actually useful...
Wherever there are rewards, there also needs to be anti-abuse mechanisms put in place (nothing is perfect, but at least make it hard enough).
For example:
- need 1000 good reports for X0 reward (badge, copper etc) min 20% of the reported posts need to belong to Full Member and above. I doubt they would risk high ranked accounts to get a badge or a $28 "chopper" membership
)- need 2500 good reports for X1 reward min 15% of the reported posts need to belong to Full Member and above ...
And so on and so forth...
Clearly not perfect (or polished enough) but might be a nice sketch to build on a system to fight this "political science problem"
Build it and they will report
) 
I get what you're saying but pretty hard to "invent" awards for increased reporting. BTC, badges, merit, copper ...
Welcome to the problem of political science. Figuring out a system that can't be abused, yet is actually useful. It is pretty tough to find an equilibrium between the two, which is probably why theymos goes with the "dismiss merit abuse, bigger fish to fry" focus angle.I thought it up since it would be better to reuse a pre-existing asset in the forum rather than create those reporter badges or titles. But yes: reporting for the sake of cleaning up the forum is good and that was primarily my reason for doing so. Plus, I had some extra time to spare, so why not?
Sry if I strayed off-topic ...
It's good to see criticism because it offers you the chance to view new perspectives. Our unseen biases dictate the flow of our stream of consciousness, so we may miss branching paths as we rush past through the rapids.And I think that as a topic develops, so long as there's a clear sequence from the ideas of one post to another, we can't really call it "off-topic"... otherwise, all replies would have to directly respond to the first and that would surely be a horrible forum of discussion.
You would not want to compromise high-rank accounts' post histories (though a lot of the current users should be reported)
+1 for honesty
On the other hand, the aim is to mass-create Newbie accounts to create posts to report...
Really ? Was not aware it's a thing... But on the other hand I guess abusers gonna abuse, no matter how weird it may seem
Regardless, this proposal was more for the sake of increased reporting than any supplanted use for Copper Membership...
I get what you're saying but pretty hard to "invent" awards for increased reporting. BTC, badges, merit, copper ... I guess there is no real need to insentience this. I report because I don't want to read the same bull shit twice by mistake
)) it hurts my eyes and brain. Then I report ) But that is a personal opinion.Sry if I strayed off-topic ...
How do you abuse a monetary reward ?
You expect to be paid for reports ? You trippin' dawg !
Never said that. In the past, there have been proposals of a potential reward.You expect to be paid for reports ? You trippin' dawg !
It's easier for members of higher rank to report more quickly due to the shorter post interval. For members that have yet to buy the copper membership, it could be another way of obtaining it. Think of it as an added incentive to the act of reporting.
And then contradict yourself saying it's not worth it. And then contradict yourself again proposing this.
I bring up the subject of abuse because it is something that is often zeroed-in on, given the nature of how users operate on the forum. From a logistic side, newly-created accounts for the sake of abusing this system have no draw towards it, since there are less time-consuming ways of maximizing revenue. You would not want to compromise high-rank accounts' post histories (though a lot of the current users should be reported) due to their potential for campaign funds, thereby reducing your profitability if reported. On the other hand, the aim is to mass-create Newbie accounts to create posts to report, not only does this draw great suspicion on the reporter's side but it is another huge waste of time in lieu of purely ranking up the individual accounts.
Regardless, this proposal was more for the sake of increased reporting than any supplanted use for Copper Membership. We've still got an overwhelming amount of spam flooding the boards.
Here is something that would be interesting: giving copper membership in return for x amount of good reports.
How many are $28 worth of good reports?
From what I've seen copper is bought for 3 reasons (they can be 2 out of 3 or all the below):
- You actually need it (announce smth, etc)
- To help the forum
- To show off
In none of these cases is it worth to wait couple of months to report thousands of posts for it.
The difference between this and a monetary reward is that there is no real use for abusing copper membership
How do you abuse a monetary reward ?
You expect to be paid for reports ? You trippin' dawg !
And then contradict yourself saying it's not worth it. And then contradict yourself again proposing this.
Maybe copper membership should be awarded in return for dogsbody tasks that aid the forum. It would instil valuing the forum in new members, save them that horrific cost and ease the burden on staff. I would award them the job of dealing with subpoenas and liaising with law enforcement including court appearances.
6 hours of paperwork and 2 trials per membership.
Here is something that would be interesting: giving copper membership in return for x amount of good reports. The difference between this and a monetary reward is that there is no real use for abusing copper membership. Moreover, the amount of time one would have to dedicate to reporting would presumably be considered "not worth it" for the delta in time between forum actions that you get from the membership. Why create a new title for reporters when you can refit an old one to this purpose?6 hours of paperwork and 2 trials per membership.
This isn't really biased in my favor either, since I paid for my Copper Membership
Maybe copper membership should be awarded in return for dogsbody tasks that aid the forum. It would instil valuing the forum in new members, save them that horrific cost and ease the burden on staff. I would award them the job of dealing with subpoenas and liaising with law enforcement including court appearances.
6 hours of paperwork and 2 trials per membership.
6 hours of paperwork and 2 trials per membership.
So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!
The copper membership fee is indirectly related to the price of toilet paper. Covid crisis caused shortages of toilet paper which reflected on Bitcointalk membership fee and it is intended on saving the forest. The lumber industry directly depends on this fee and Bitcointalk priority is to preserve jobs there so this forum can't be responsible for jobs in other industries.
Thanks for the laugh 😂 .
So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!
The copper membership fee is indirectly related to the price of toilet paper. Covid crisis caused shortages of toilet paper which reflected on Bitcointalk membership fee and it is intended on saving the forest. The lumber industry directly depends on this fee and Bitcointalk priority is to preserve jobs there so this forum can't be responsible for jobs in other industries.
Why? The fee is supposed to be approximately 25.00 USD worth of BTC. When BTC tumbles from 10000 USD worth to 5000 USD worth, why should bitcointalk take a haircut, USD value wise?
I agree and when we jump to 10000 a coin it will drop back to 0.0025 btc .
I believe this has happened on another occasion.
Right. I won't hold my breath waiting for the OP to post a complaint if BTC goes to $20k and the fee ends up about a quarter of its present BTC-wise amount.
Previously I did this kind of randomly a few times each year, but lately I've taken to updating the BTC (& grin) price sometime around the 15th of every month, unless the price hasn't changed very much since last time. I like the idea of the price being somewhat stable in BTC terms, but I don't like the real value to drift too far from what's intended.
due to COVID-19 outbreak the April Fools day came early this year.
So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!
Fucking capitalism! How dare they not give me free image-posting rights without me having to actually post something useful? These d--ned forums that don't have to allow me to do anything! Outrageous.See, this is why we need to raise the cap of Bitcoin to infinity and give every single address an unlimited amount of coins to spend from.
So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!
Why? The fee is supposed to be approximately 25.00 USD worth of BTC. When BTC tumbles from 10000 USD worth to 5000 USD worth, why should bitcointalk take a haircut, USD value wise?
I agree and when we jump to 10000 a coin it will drop back to 0.0025 btc .
I believe this has happened on another occasion.
So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!
Why? The fee is supposed to be approximately 25.00 USD worth of BTC. When BTC tumbles from 10000 USD worth to 5000 USD worth, why should bitcointalk take a haircut, USD value wise?
So the fee was 0.0024 btc last week, then when bitcoin and the fiat markets started crashing, fee was raised to 0.0045. It's just a nasty thing to do at a time like this. Even from a 'symbolic' stand point - Not Nice!
theymos, how dare you???!!!
I'm not sure that's worth to answer to this post seriously, but ok. Copper membership isn't must have thing on Bitcointalk, it's just extra feature which doesn't gives many benefits. You're free to post without it. But if you really nerd these benefits given by Copper membership, then just get 10 merits - it doesn't cost anything. If you lost job, probably you have plenty of time now to get it.
I'm not sure that's worth to answer to this post seriously, but ok. Copper membership isn't must have thing on Bitcointalk, it's just extra feature which doesn't gives many benefits. You're free to post without it. But if you really nerd these benefits given by Copper membership, then just get 10 merits - it doesn't cost anything. If you lost job, probably you have plenty of time now to get it.
double fee? omg! 
Theymos must be a part of evil elite or alien from another planet who wants to take over the world
Theymos must be a part of evil elite or alien from another planet who wants to take over the world
He must be referring to sig spammers losing their jobs. Don't worry about the virus. Windows gets so many viruses, and Microsoft knows how to fix them. I gather that the next update for Windows 10 contains a fix for the Corona Virus. You just have to stick your head in the cloud, and it just vanishes.
theymos, where is my cut of this?
Wooow how much could it be... 
Im dreaming of your chopper membership title, hope someday it could be open for sponsorship by theymos. 
What the hell the OP is crying for ??
The price is 0.00454114 BTC, this is less than 25 EUR.
Where can I rant about the crazy NOK drop from yesterday and huge part of our savings is gone?! Don't complain about 25 Euro man.. this is like nothing... the sig spammers are doing this for a week of shitposting.. well this is what you should rant about!
The price is 0.00454114 BTC, this is less than 25 EUR.
Where can I rant about the crazy NOK drop from yesterday and huge part of our savings is gone?! Don't complain about 25 Euro man.. this is like nothing... the sig spammers are doing this for a week of shitposting.. well this is what you should rant about!
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You have been on this forum for 1 years, 3 months and you never complained about the fee not until today. It's not a most you pay for copper membership if you think you could make constructive posts.
Copper membership only gives you privilege to post images as a newbie. Try to rank up and stop complaining here. Same membership fee is what is being used to maintain this forum.
Copper membership only gives you privilege to post images as a newbie. Try to rank up and stop complaining here. Same membership fee is what is being used to maintain this forum.
It's probably a troll account. First post today since June 29, 2019.
You have been on this forum for 1 years, 3 months and you never complained about the fee not until today. It's not a most you pay for copper membership if you think you could make constructive posts.
Copper membership only gives you privilege to post images as a newbie. Try to rank up and stop complaining here. Same membership fee is what is being used to maintain this forum.
Copper membership only gives you privilege to post images as a newbie. Try to rank up and stop complaining here. Same membership fee is what is being used to maintain this forum.
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theymos, where is my cut of this?
But no worry, you can choose to earn 10 merit if you don't want to spend your Bitcoin/Grin on Copper member.
the way I see it, this was just another attempt to get those 10 merits.
normally i am willing to help (as you can see here: [TOP-200] Members who support newbies) but the thread doesn't convince me.
the first topic of the OP was already in 2018 about the topic: Images aren't displaying in posts
and how the thread went there shows me in any case that this is not about a solution oriented user.
The questions have already been answered. Sorry but I'm out of here
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Pst, Pst … There are less people posting on the forum now, so earning a couple of merits should be way easier, and scaling up to Jr. Membership is therefore virtually cheaper (0 units of any cryptocurrency + less effort) these days. Hush hush …
Absolutely disgusting that as the word is in chaos - people are loosing their jobs.
Are you talking about something about the virus right now, all countries are closing public activity, so you lose your job, so you want to take part in this Forum and make an issue of (copper members) formed by Theymos / forum today.
Btc Down, you don't need to mind copper members for just a few cents, because you can put up a sig, and work on the Bounty campaign.
You registered in 2018 with 10 posts in 2 years, where have you been all this time, if, you felt stingy for a few copper member cents, if, you want to work in this forum it's easy for you, forget copper members, make some good and meaningful posts, you can work and exceed copper members, so you can save a few cents that you havehave.
I can't connect this meme with the topic but it made me to laugh AF. May be you want to post it in the BitcoinTalk memes topic? That will be a great fun.
OP really needs to post image I guess. Sure theymos needs to have some curse. May be we can send him to Italy?
/S
I was actually responding to Pharmacist's post in a joking manner, haha.
Sure, I'll just drop one in that thread later. Glad it made your day
There is not actually a membership fee to join the forum. The Copper Membership is something that allows new users to unlock certain features that are normally reserved for more experienced members, such as posting pictures and having shorter wait times between posts. The cost has historically been kept consistent over time in terms of USD.
If the forum does see an uptick in actual new users (not necessarily new registrations), I would encourage the mods to create a new, lower-cost paid membership that decreases the wait time between posts that would make it easier for actual new members to learn about and discuss bitcoin in these uncertain times. The cost would need to be high enough to make spamming expensive.
The goal of this would be to lower the barriers for intelligent discussion among people who have an actual interest in learning about and discussing bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. This should get potential new users to choose to use bitcointalk over competitor forums that promote altcoins to be bitcoin (falsely).
If the forum does see an uptick in actual new users (not necessarily new registrations), I would encourage the mods to create a new, lower-cost paid membership that decreases the wait time between posts that would make it easier for actual new members to learn about and discuss bitcoin in these uncertain times. The cost would need to be high enough to make spamming expensive.
The goal of this would be to lower the barriers for intelligent discussion among people who have an actual interest in learning about and discussing bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. This should get potential new users to choose to use bitcointalk over competitor forums that promote altcoins to be bitcoin (falsely).
goddamnit Theymos. Imagine if Theymos didn't double the "paid membership fee" right? People would actually end up having jobs and we could actually be able to get rid of world hunger and poverty! Smh mods.
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OP really needs to post image I guess. Sure theymos needs to have some curse. May be we can send him to Italy?
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You're completely correct. In fact, theymos should be offering financial stimulus to everyone to further help increase demand and to lessen the impact on the economy. It's a shame that the central bank of theymos isn't following the direction of the Fed and performing quantitative easing to pump the price of Bitcoin while cutting interest rates to allow crypto businesses to borrow more.
Theymos is an evil monster for gouging those starving, jobless people of the world who desperately need a copper membership, I agree. The cruelty is almost unparalleled and he probably should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. I'll leave it to OP to make the phone call.
Theymos is an evil monster for gouging those starving, jobless people of the world who desperately need a copper membership, I agree. The cruelty is almost unparalleled and he probably should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. I'll leave it to OP to make the phone call.
[1] I think this is not about Bitcoin discussion.
[2] If you are referring to copper membership fee, it was already increased early last year way before the virus (if you are referring to it) removed some people from their job. I haven't been updated on a much recent increase in fees-- copper membership and evil fees-- though.
[3] Quite frankly, I cannot see a necessary or relevant connection between people losing their jobs and the reduction of copper membership fee in bitcointalk.org. Would it help the people who have lost their jobs if the fee here is reduced?
[4] If I am not mistaken, moderators only moderate posts and do not decide on the copper membership fee.
These related threads might help:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-cost-of-copper-membership-will-raise-considerably-5097960
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-bitcointalk-copper-membership-fee-increase-5103849
Plus this:
It's just that I last changed the price when the BTC/USD price was $12k, so it's drifted from the intended value. Evil fees will also be updated.
Then I'll (eventually) adjust it downward again. I like to keep the BTC-denominated price pretty stable and not change it every time the market freaks out in either direction, but it's supposed to have a vaguely consistent real value.
And a little saving tip:
[2] If you are referring to copper membership fee, it was already increased early last year way before the virus (if you are referring to it) removed some people from their job. I haven't been updated on a much recent increase in fees-- copper membership and evil fees-- though.
[3] Quite frankly, I cannot see a necessary or relevant connection between people losing their jobs and the reduction of copper membership fee in bitcointalk.org. Would it help the people who have lost their jobs if the fee here is reduced?
[4] If I am not mistaken, moderators only moderate posts and do not decide on the copper membership fee.
These related threads might help:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-cost-of-copper-membership-will-raise-considerably-5097960
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-bitcointalk-copper-membership-fee-increase-5103849
Plus this:
Has anything been written anywhere about the reasons for this? I can't imagine it's a money making measure. I also can't imagine it's going to deter the people who aren't already deterred by it.
It's just that I last changed the price when the BTC/USD price was $12k, so it's drifted from the intended value. Evil fees will also be updated.
The price will be fixed in bitcoins so imagine what will happen when we enter a bull market again.
Then I'll (eventually) adjust it downward again. I like to keep the BTC-denominated price pretty stable and not change it every time the market freaks out in either direction, but it's supposed to have a vaguely consistent real value.
And a little saving tip:
OP, you also have the option to pay for copper membership with Grin (2.25 x $8.81=$19.82) will save you around $3 or $4 dollars.
Follow this thread for more information.
Follow this thread for more information.
Absolutely disgusting that as the word is in chaos - people are loosing their jobs - The moderators on this forum decide to double the paid membership fee! Even though the price of bitcoin is down - They should still be HALVING the fee - not doubling it! To the moderators - You should be ASHAMED of yourselves! ~ Wonder how long until this post gets removed.
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