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That is not possible.

Any visitor to your site can clearly see that tickets are not randomly assigned, as I've already shown in this screencapture. The ranges in blue beside the players' names represent the tickets that a player holds. The n-th player to join will always hold tickets (n-1) * 10000/m +1 through n * 10000/m, where m is the total number of players. There is nothing random about it.

In addition, as I have also already explained, random ticket assignment would make it even easier and not harder to cheat with your current "provably fair" system:


Just to humour you I'll revise my explanation for that scenario:

The house generates the lucky number 6000 and an arbitrary number of legitimate players join the round. The house joins the round itself with a player they control and "randomly" assigns the winning ticket to that player, ensuring the win for the house.

Stop spamming on other sites it looks terrible, and dont even try to say it isnt you because no other site has done this before.

You can say Dexon is unpaid but no one believes you when all he does every day all day is promote your site.

Just the fact he gives your members money proves it.

I have told you 100 times i am not posting on your site. How many more times do i have to say that.

One thing i know for sure is people do not spend everyday all day on a website for free. It's very clear dexon is paid to promote bustabit he even is doing a lotto as a ploy to get people to bust. Cash out at X6 and you get entered into this fake lotto. He shows 0 proof the lotto isn't rigged or even shows any proof anyone has ever won. Stop acting like he don't work for you. Call it staff/admin what ever you want fact is he is part of your site.

Basically you and your staff have attacked my site i have proof. You and your staff been trying to bash my site sense day one.

I think its time for you guys to stop its getting old.

Ok so lets call him staff you can be the admin but clearly him and dexon work for you.

I was hoping you were going to stick to your words when you last said

"I won't be responding here further"

I have asked you and your staff to stay off my thread but you guys at this point are just acting like trolls.

He has nothing to do with bustabit? really? ok lets look at his profile

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jlfvr-685401

Makes an account goes to the bustabit thread then immediately after comes to my thread and attempts to bash it.

Looks like a admin to me. 

Ok lets review what you just said.

"just that it's not provably fair."

Next line.

"being honest I haven't even bothered to try understand your provably fair."

Is it just me or does that make 0 sense...

You also are claiming the other accounts who are being used to bash us have nothing to do with bustabit now with one look at the other accounts its clear as day they are other admins of bustabit.

You are incorrect the tickets are not "sequentially in the order' You could be the first player or the last player and get ticket number 1-1000 there is 100% no way for someone to pick there numbers its all 100% random.

Why do you bustabit kids keep trying to bash the site are you really that threatened by us?

If the ticket numbers were assigned to players randomly it would be easier—even trivial—for the house to cheat, not harder, because the house could simply "randomly" assign the winning ticket to a player it controls. There would be no way for players to verify that the tickets were indeed randomly allocated in your current system.

Instead, however, tickets appear to be split among players sequentially in the order in which they entered the game, as can be seen here.

This means it is not trivial for the house to cheat, but not terribly difficult either. Depending on the approximate number of players the house expects to join the round it will add its "puppets" at different points.

Let's assume that by counting how many players are currently online, how many participated in the last round and how many are able to participate in the next round, the house predicts that between three and seven players will join the round. Making accurate predictions within these bounds is fairly easy with the information the house has at its disposal.

Now the house waits for three legitimate players to join. If there are unexpectedly less players, the house simply passes and allows the round to end. If, on the other hand, three players A, B and C enter the round, the house will immediately also "purchase" tickets with three players D, E and F; which it controls, giving player D the winning ticket. Up to four additional legitimate players E, F, G and H can now join without the house losing the winning tickets.

Based on the houses earlier prediction, more players joining is unlikely. But even if an eighth legitimate player defies all odds and joins the round, causing the legitimate player E to now own the winning ticket, the house can simply add another eight puppets, giving the winning ticket back to the house and allowing more legitimate players to join without endangering the house's winning ticket. For all practical purposes this can be repeated as often as necessary. Alternatively, the house can simply prevent new players from joining the round past a certain point, for example by simply ignoring entries and blaming it on latency or bugs.

Such a winning strategy exists for every possible winning ticket.

TL;DR: The house can take advantage of information asymmetry by adding one or more fake players and thereby cheating the legitimate players of their winnings.

Ok try this pretend you know the winning number. Say its 6000 can you show me how to get that number please?
Because its random when you buy a ticket.

Again: Your only other post is you talking about bustabit, does that make you a admin no, but it sure does make a red flag stand up saying you are. 

This is getting pretty said you guys are still trying to bash us.

The lucky number is not picked (or at least the hash isn't displayed) until the first player purchases a ticket, but generally we are in agreement until here.



This is false. If the house knows the number is 10.000, for example, what stops it from waiting until new players are unlikely to join and then purchasing the winning ticket itself? The players would never know they've been cheated. This is the weakness I'm addressing in my previous post.



Again: I do not own bustabit, nor am I an administrator or a moderator for bustabit. My one post in bustabit's thread doesn't make me a bustabit admin any more than my four posts in this thread make me an administrator of your game.

I also don't believe that pointing out technical issues qualifies as "ruthless" in any way.

I do not think you are clear on how our "provably fair" works, or how our site works. So i will try again to explain it to you bustabit bashers.

The "lucky" number is picked before the game starts.
There is no way to change the lucky number.
It is impossible for someone to get the lucky number even if they know what it is.

Proof your a bustabit admin look at your other posts.

You guys need to just stop. I'm a competitor i get that but no need to be this ruthless. 

I am familiar with your "provably fair" system and I have considered it in the example given in my previous post. Hashing a few values doesn't magically make your game provably fair—there is a lot more to it. As I have demonstrated, players can still be cheated by the operator fairly easily.

Although I am not the owner or administrator of bustabit, I do not see how that would invalidate the evidence I have presented even if it were the case.

Please take the time to read and understand the example in my previous post. There is also the issue of not using transport layer encryption (SSL), which you have yet to respond to as well. Your refusal to address these problems is quite telling.

Clearly your a bustabit admin. The fact you are saying the site is not provably fair is 100% false. We show a before and after hash. There is no way for us to rig any raffle.

I am not here to "bash you", I'm here because someone—who turned out to be an owner of your site—kept and keeps spamming links to btc-raffle in bustabit's chat, so I decided to take a closer look. Was that not the intention? There's no such thing as bad publicity, right?

I did not say anything regarding your trustworthiness—although your behaviour does raise some red flags—, I said that your site is not provably fair despite claiming to be. The concerns I brought up are of technical nature and as such are not affected by whether you question my motives or trust me. In fact, anyone can easily verify my claims.

The correct response on your side would be to refute those claims with a technical argument (not attacks on my character) or make improvements to your game if necessary. Speaking of which, you should stop sending your users' login credentials in the clear and start using SSL, especially since you are handling customer funds. Transport encryption is a low-effort, high-value necessity that you owe your players.

Thanks man, and its all good i expected other bitcoin sites to bash the new guy i just didn't expect the whole bustabit team to gang up on me.

Well good luck getting rid of it... I've played on your site several times without problems so. I don't think you really deserve it.

Its from ryan the bustabit admin. Just one of his ways to make me look bad.

How did he get the negative trust again? It just got removed this morning 

This is weird.