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Quote from: FatFork on October 10, 2022, 02:58:58 AM

The posts in question were indeed deleted by the moderators. This was later confirmed by morvillz7z:

Quote from: morvillz7z on July 02, 2022, 07:33:36 AM

^^

OMG, That's interesting. Have you ever seen this kind of generosity from the Mods before?
Banning users for Plagiarism is too rare on the internet. But Bitcointalk Forum took it seriously. The rules are too strict here. I don't blame moderators for the strict restrictions. I would blame the community because the members go after others and hardly need to ban others. Now, If moderators can give someone a free pass, and there are some pending Ban appeals. Why do Moderators not comment on that appeal? At least they can explain why it is a perm ban and cannot be unbanned. This is unfair to those who got a perm ban for the same offense while others are forgiven.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on October 10, 2022, 02:53:18 AM

I remember this case. Mr. right85 wrote to me in PM with a big apology, although it was not I who discovered his plagiarism. It is likely that I am not the only one to whom he sent letters of apology, with promises not to repeat such a thing again. I can also say that he himself did not delete his posts with plagiarism. Otherwise, why would he lie to me? It is easy to check. Accordingly, the posts were deleted by the moderators. Maybe he was able to convince them of something.
Otherwise, if you see a malicious plagiarist, you can send a report to the moderators directly, bypassing the topic of plagiarism. In this case, you do not give the offender the opportunity to delete posts, and you will see the real reaction of the moderators whether a ban is needed or not.

In Mr. Right's case, he was given a second chance. I think he understood his mistake well.

I'm looking at it this way; someone goes against the grand-rule of the forum and the mods don't have self decisions to make ....maybe,global moderators or admins have but, they still need to ponder on the case between so they could give appropriate judgments. If they're asking for an explanation to know wether or not the OP did plagiarized voluntarily, then they must be a reason for that; maybe so they'll try not to be incurruptible? Or maybe it'd not look Asif they don't give an ear to the deafening impact that the OPs in question practically made? Or maybe they don't just send an OP who would've influenced the forum positively -- maybe with the visible, undeniable proofs that was potrayed earlier-on -- into a dungeon; left to suffer for a simple mistake.
Well, I see people that plagiarize as tyrants and sometimes, it looks Asif they know that shit doesn't help but, still go ahead with it. All the same, drastic action would be taken if it were a dumb-ass' case.
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Quote from: Lucius on October 09, 2022, 10:08:46 AM

Report profile? So what does that have to do with plagiarism, you are not reporting a profile, but some kind of content that has to do with that profile. Given that the posts in question have been deleted, the only thing someone can do now is to find new plagiarized posts (if they exist) and then make a report.

Maybe my choice of text was misunderstood. Obviously, when you report a profile, it means you are going to report a post, like the one quoted in the OP about plagiarism by a certain profile. The profile is the culprit.

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Quote from: Iroh on October 09, 2022, 08:17:28 AM

I’m not advocating for this user to get banned.

Can you truly thump your chest and say you actually meant what you wrote there and that wasn't your intention? BTW, your mention of Orwell's classical novel The Animal Farm reminds me of the intricacies of man, as a sad commentary on society. That novel is a page turner for me.

Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on October 09, 2022, 09:59:51 AM

I tried to check all the posts you refer to, but none of them are available on the forum anymore.
To get someone banned, The plagiarized post must be available on the forum. Moderators do not consider Post Scraping links like Loyce.club or Ninjastic. This is not my statement. One of the Mods said that, but I cannot find the Post now.

Mr. Right Deleted all those posts before any moderator saw the plagiarism report.
So, He is safe now and don't expect to get him banned if no new on-forum plagiarism is found.

I think that was what happened with Mr.right85's case. The user recognized that what they did could get them in trouble and quickly amended their way. I got wind of the case when it was firstly reported here. I don't know OP's motif for resurrecting that issue which seemed to have been settled a long time ago.

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Quote from: Iroh on October 09, 2022, 08:17:28 AM

One would think this is a clear, open and shut case of plagiarism but I guess the moderators would beg to differ. With the fierce stand against plagiarism on the forum, one would think there would certainly have been a repercussion of some sort when someone commits the heinous crime of taking credit for someone else work

If you're talking about one of the first things the forum frowns at is plagiarism and in this OP case it was stylishly formated to appear as paraphrasing but it's clear enough to be same as plagiarism since everything said where just direct editing from the original post where he copied those articles, but i can't believe an established user like him will be found inbthe mess hole of plagiarism because this stinks alot on his reputation, what should this taught the newbies coming new to the forum, i believe the moderators will apply the right justification on his matter.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 10, 2022, 09:04:39 AM

Quote from: Tutte on October 09, 2022, 03:01:58 PM

Why am I not surprised Mr/Miss Royse777 at your meaningless reply!

You have a long way to go. None of the posts exists anymore.

Have you found anything new under the same user? Besides some newbie with having no history of contributing to the forum suddenly crying over a 4 to 5 months old report makes only one sense. He is finishing for merit.

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The MODs clearly fail

Why are you so angry against the mod?

PS: Now I see why you are so emotional about me.

Okay, I’m a junior member and not some newbie lol. And I’m definitely not crying over a 4 months old report nor am I fishing for your merits.
I’m not advocating for the users ban and I personally think a ban is quite harsh.

But I do hope you would use the same energy in defending the next user, who after educating newbies like me against plagiarism goes ahead to do just that and then gets remorseful after being found out.

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Quote from: Tutte on October 09, 2022, 03:01:58 PM

Why am I not surprised Mr/Miss Royse777 at your meaningless reply!

You have a long way to go. None of the posts exists anymore.

Have you found anything new under the same user? Besides some newbie with having no history of contributing to the forum suddenly crying over a 4 to 5 months old report makes only one sense. He is finishing for merit.

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The MODs clearly fail

Why are you so angry against the mod?

PS: Now I see why you are so emotional about me.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 10, 2022, 04:23:00 AM

Have you seen his signature?
I don't know what he wore before, but at the moment he isn't posting for money.

He plagiarized before applying for the signature campaign and also he plagiarized after getting accepted on the Livecasino Signature Campaign.

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Anyways, This should vary from case to case, and Moderators have the right to decide what to do and what not to do. After all, this is a free forum. If he is forgiven and got a chance, why do you guys bother Mods asking questions about why he was forgiven?

If you guys make too much pressure when someone makes mistakes, you guys will find yourself isolated on this forum because everyone can make a mistake. People learn from their mistakes. Let him prove that he can contribute to the forum positively.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on October 10, 2022, 04:19:08 AM

Did he plagiarize after the post you quoted?

Yes, all posts reported by @morvillz7z were made between June 10th and June 18th, meaning more than 2 months after he advised people not to plagiarize so he obviously knew what he was doing.

Quote from: LoyceV on October 10, 2022, 04:23:00 AM

Have you seen his signature?
I don't know what he wore before, but at the moment he isn't posting for money.

Yeah I saw that at the moment he is not getting paid for the signature, but he did apply in a couple of signature campaigns few days ago so this is just something temporary while in between two campaigns.

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 10, 2022, 03:24:36 AM

I disagree that they should plagiarize without consequences if they are fast enough to delete reported post which ain't that hard if you are using notification bot.

If whoever reports their posts doesn't want them to be notified, they could just use Report to moderator instead of posting about it.

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Imho, in his case signature ban could be enough

Have you seen his signature?
I don't know what he wore before, but at the moment he isn't posting for money.

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 10, 2022, 03:24:36 AM

Just few months before he started plagiarizing he was talking about it in his self-congratulatory post, meaning he knew what he was doing and what were the consequences of his action but he went with it anyway. Imho, in his case signature ban could be enough, but not to go without consequences like he did.

Did he plagiarize after the post you quoted? That means it was not an unintentional mistake. I don't think there should be any form of exception in such case. Mistakes are common, people barely read the forum rules. But if someone knowingly plagiarize, mod must ban them IMO. Exception should be for people with mistakes only.

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Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on October 09, 2022, 11:02:46 AM

I knew I will get this question. So, I immediately started searching for the post. It takes 50 Minutes to find this post. Here it is,

Thanks, I appreciate the effort!

Quote from: LoyceV on October 10, 2022, 02:11:59 AM

I'd say it makes a lot of sense: people shouldn't get banned if they corrected their own mistake.

While I do agree that people shouldn't immediately get banned for plagiarism (imho signature ban is more appropriate, at least for the first offence), I disagree that they should plagiarize without consequences if they are fast enough to delete reported post which ain't that hard if you are using notification bot.

While certain percentage of plagiarism is probably done due ignorance (people being on the forum for the first time etc) or it was an honest mistake, I think that vast majority is intentional, like in @Mr.right85 case. Just few months before he started plagiarizing he was talking about it in his self-congratulatory post, meaning he knew what he was doing and what were the consequences of his action but he went with it anyway. Imho, in his case signature ban could be enough, but not to go without consequences like he did.

Quote from: Mr.right85 on April 03, 2022, 04:48:01 AM

Never be in a haste
The need to earn merits and rank up is certainly one of the major goals of most newbies on the forum and also, this goal has proven to be the major reasons why most newbies have seen there end rather too early on the forum. Being too hasty makes you want to seek out shortcuts. Shortcuts that makes you want to break the rules and go into acts like plagiarism and spamming. The next, you've succumbed to laziness which develops on you and discourages any form of creativity within you. Unfortunately, the forum rules never bends for anyone and as it is with law breakers, you eventually get caught and is shown the way out.

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Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on October 09, 2022, 09:13:00 PM

Quote from: decodx on October 09, 2022, 03:12:31 PM

Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on October 09, 2022, 11:02:46 AM

So, Based on that. I assume Mr. Right will not get banned because he already deleted those posts before moderators saw the report. So instead of reporting them on the Report Plagiarism thread, You can report to Moderators silently describing the reason. Of course, if you badly want to get him banned. Or maybe you can ask him to add source and follow the rules.

Why do you assume that the user deleted his posts himself and not the moderators? Those reports are months old, so there was plenty of time for the moderators to react, which they probably did. Mr.right85's profile on bpip. org shows that 7 of his pots have been deleted by moderators. Second, if you read the OP's post more closely, you'll notice that he quoted reports from the Report plagiarism thread.

Why do you assume those 7 posts deleted by moderators were plagiarized posts? Maybe those 7 posts were something else like low-value posts or spam which is deleted by moderators.

The posts in question were indeed deleted by the moderators. This was later confirmed by morvillz7z:

Quote from: morvillz7z on July 02, 2022, 07:33:36 AM

^^

My reports were handled in a timely manner, it's just that the user is given a free pass, as you see no consequences whatsoever. I assume the forum is fine with individuals stealing intellectual property, me...i could care less what the mods do or don't do anymore. If you've ever been perma/temp/sig banned for a single line of plagiarized text, you've clearly gotten the short end of the stick. To all the plagiarists out there, it's different now: take that as you will. Lol

Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on October 09, 2022, 09:13:00 PM

As far as I know, Moderators delete Plagiarism posts with their actions (Temp or perm ban).

Not necessary. Obviously, it's a case-by-case basis.

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I remember this case. Mr. right85 wrote to me in PM with a big apology, although it was not I who discovered his plagiarism. It is likely that I am not the only one to whom he sent letters of apology, with promises not to repeat such a thing again. I can also say that he himself did not delete his posts with plagiarism. Otherwise, why would he lie to me? It is easy to check. Accordingly, the posts were deleted by the moderators. Maybe he was able to convince them of something.
Otherwise, if you see a malicious plagiarist, you can send a report to the moderators directly, bypassing the topic of plagiarism. In this case, you do not give the offender the opportunity to delete posts, and you will see the real reaction of the moderators whether a ban is needed or not.

In Mr. Right's case, he was given a second chance. I think he understood his mistake well.

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Quote from: Rikafip on October 09, 2022, 10:08:23 AM

Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on October 09, 2022, 09:59:51 AM

To get someone banned, The plagiarized post must be available on the forum. Moderators do not consider Post Scraping links like Loyce.club or Ninjastic. This is not my statement. One of the Mods said that, but I cannot find the Post now.

First time I hear about this and honestly doesn't make much sense to me.

I'd say it makes a lot of sense: people shouldn't get banned if they corrected their own mistake.

Quote from: Little Mouse on October 09, 2022, 11:25:02 AM

This makes sense why wouldn't mods trust such an archiving links. It is possible that TryNinja and/or LoyceV can manipulate the content in their website since they have access to their website, though we know any of them would never do that.

You don't even have to trust me on it: I create checksums of all archived posts. See this post (and read a few posts before and after). Feel free to archive those checksums as often as you want, and feel free to check if I don't automatically alter any new posts.

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Quote from: KingsDen on October 09, 2022, 05:56:19 PM

Quote from: PowerGlove on October 09, 2022, 05:28:52 PM

Wow, this one is quite puzzling! I mean, seven separate instances of plagiarism, and no repercussions at all?

What more could the reporter have done? They properly documented each instance and made sure to archive each post in case they were deleted!

Interestingly, the reporter actually used two different archiving methods, archive.ph for the first 3 posts and loyce.club for the last 4.

I get that some mods might prefer to rely on evidence that still exists on the forum, but surely between the two archiving methods that were used, and maybe a cross-check against TryNinja's archive, there's more than enough evidence to hand out a signature ban or something?

I don't know, depending on my mood, sometimes I'm like: "Who cares? Leave the poor guy alone, he probably already feels bad and has learned his lesson, so just go about your business and stop stirring up shit."

But then on other days I'm all like: "The rules must be applied evenly or not at all!" Undecided

I knew when this case happened, the said user joined a campaign managed by Trofo before the plagiarism was discovered. I went through the profile of the user and he isn't a shit poster, and even till date the user is producing quality posts. I suspect that something unusual might have happened to the user that period of the plagiarism.

However, the plagiarist in question is a smart guy, it could be that he deleted all the plagiarised posts before a moderator was able to treat his case. Since the evidence was no longer available, it could be seen that he committed no plagiarism in the eyes of the moderators.
There's a clear difference when a dumb commits sin and when a wise man does. Swiftness is what I understood happened. He should be regarded as one of the luckiest users in the forum and there's totally No Need of resurrecting this matter now, is it targeted to troll the mods?

Following your logic, it’s real smart to knowingly plagiarize and hurriedly delete the said posts when found out. That’s good to know.
Also, when a wise man commits a sin, it’s a “wise sin” and it’s a “dumb sin” when a supposedly dumb person does? Lol! I guess if it’s a wise sin, it’s alright.

Plagiarism is what I understood happened there and that crap about differences when a dumb man and a wise man commits a sin is bullshit. The wise man should be wise and not dumb to commit the sin. You sound ignorant or flat out biased.

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Quote from: decodx on October 09, 2022, 03:12:31 PM

Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on October 09, 2022, 11:02:46 AM

So, Based on that. I assume Mr. Right will not get banned because he already deleted those posts before moderators saw the report. So instead of reporting them on the Report Plagiarism thread, You can report to Moderators silently describing the reason. Of course, if you badly want to get him banned. Or maybe you can ask him to add source and follow the rules.

Why do you assume that the user deleted his posts himself and not the moderators? Those reports are months old, so there was plenty of time for the moderators to react, which they probably did. Mr.right85's profile on bpip. org shows that 7 of his pots have been deleted by moderators. Second, if you read the OP's post more closely, you'll notice that he quoted reports from the Report plagiarism thread.

Why do you assume those 7 posts deleted by moderators were plagiarized posts? Maybe those 7 posts were something else like low-value posts or spam which is deleted by moderators. As far as I know, Moderators delete Plagiarism posts with their actions (Temp or perm ban). Yeah, I saw that he quoted it from the report plagiarism thread. No matter how old the reports are. If Mr. right uses the telegram bot, he was notified right after the report and he deleted those plagiarized posts. Suppose 1 hour later moderators saw the report but they found those posts were deleted. So, it does not depend on how old the report is. Use your brain.

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Quote from: PowerGlove on October 09, 2022, 05:28:52 PM

Wow, this one is quite puzzling! I mean, seven separate instances of plagiarism, and no repercussions at all?

What more could the reporter have done? They properly documented each instance and made sure to archive each post in case they were deleted!

Interestingly, the reporter actually used two different archiving methods, archive.ph for the first 3 posts and loyce.club for the last 4.

I get that some mods might prefer to rely on evidence that still exists on the forum, but surely between the two archiving methods that were used, and maybe a cross-check against TryNinja's archive, there's more than enough evidence to hand out a signature ban or something?

I don't know, depending on my mood, sometimes I'm like: "Who cares? Leave the poor guy alone, he probably already feels bad and has learned his lesson, so just go about your business and stop stirring up shit."

But then on other days I'm all like: "The rules must be applied evenly or not at all!" Undecided

I knew when this case happened, the said user joined a campaign managed by Trofo before the plagiarism was discovered. I went through the profile of the user and he isn't a shit poster, and even till date the user is producing quality posts. I suspect that something unusual might have happened to the user that period of the plagiarism.

However, the plagiarist in question is a smart guy, it could be that he deleted all the plagiarised posts before a moderator was able to treat his case. Since the evidence was no longer available, it could be seen that he committed no plagiarism in the eyes of the moderators.
There's a clear difference when a dumb commits sin and when a wise man does. Swiftness is what I understood happened. He should be regarded as one of the luckiest users in the forum and there's totally No Need of resurrecting this matter now, is it targeted to troll the mods?

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Wow, this one is quite puzzling! I mean, seven separate instances of plagiarism, and no repercussions at all?

What more could the reporter have done? They properly documented each instance and made sure to archive each post in case they were deleted!

Interestingly, the reporter actually used two different archiving methods, archive.ph for the first 3 posts and loyce.club for the last 4.

I get that some mods might prefer to rely on evidence that still exists on the forum, but surely between the two archiving methods that were used, and maybe a cross-check against TryNinja's archive, there's more than enough evidence to hand out a signature ban or something?

I don't know, depending on my mood, sometimes I'm like: "Who cares? Leave the poor guy alone, he probably already feels bad and has learned his lesson, so just go about your business and stop stirring up shit."

But then on other days I'm all like: "The rules must be applied evenly or not at all!" Undecided

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