Topic: Mods/Admin, help please (will pursue legal routes if not dealt with) - page 4. (Read 7858 times)
February 05, 2014, 07:52:32 AM
watch out kWh or he will sue you as well . Judging from his airtight legal case vod is really fucked!!!
February 05, 2014, 07:50:16 AM
i cant be prosecuted for name calling..
im not crying, im simply requesting that unfair defamatory feedback that will harm my potential to trade here be removed as i am willing to take it further if necessary. and like i said i will cease and decist once my rep is back in its previous standings so if its wearing you thin then i suggest convincing Vod to remove his accusation from my trust profile or simply dont read this thread or any posts relating to Vod being an ass.
i dont really care if you want to trade with me or not.. its your loss.
im not crying, im simply requesting that unfair defamatory feedback that will harm my potential to trade here be removed as i am willing to take it further if necessary. and like i said i will cease and decist once my rep is back in its previous standings so if its wearing you thin then i suggest convincing Vod to remove his accusation from my trust profile or simply dont read this thread or any posts relating to Vod being an ass.
i dont really care if you want to trade with me or not.. its your loss.
February 05, 2014, 07:38:44 AM
Stop your crying already, it's wearing thin. You left far worse about him as well as the nasty posts you left. Go ahead, sue, you will be prosecuted as well. Thin skinned internet crybaby. 
Anyone doing business with you gets what they deserve. You are definitely on my never trade with list.
Anyone doing business with you gets what they deserve. You are definitely on my never trade with list.
February 05, 2014, 07:21:17 AM
at first i was looking to buy BTC and pay via PP but no luck as its an easy scam so no one will accept it, least of all from a newbie. i then set about ooking for a loan instead as i only need/needed BTC to cover me until my virwox account reaches the next user level and my deposit limit goes up, which, i think from now is like 1-2 days away.. i need to check that actually. so was basically looking for a loan after failing to find someone to sell me BTC to cover me until my virwox limit is lifted which should in turn cover me until i get the activation code my bank sent out via post so i can activate my mobile phone with my online banking so i can add payees and but BTC easily/with no hassle from any of the larger businesses/trustworthy website that sell BTC. at this point im so close to my virwox account limit lifting i dont even care about buying BTC or getting loan anymore as i have missed the initial price crash on roll out of new TOS at cex.io and prices have been since so i think they should still be sufficiently low in a day or twos time when i can use virwox again.
and i cant contact him directly because he blocked me from PMing him so i have had to air the dirty laundry in public. following the public airing (here) mods inform me they supposedly have no control over the trust system, which, if true leave them and the site operators vulnerable to legal action due to them not taking action to rectify the situation once notified.
i honestly dont want to go on a whole legal crusade here but i have a severe will to fight things purely for the sake of the principle alone so as such until i am back in fair standings i will be completely willing to take legal actions against Vod and the site operators for allowing this to happen and then doing nothing about it. if they cant actually remove the rep themselves they can certainly threaten to ban him if he does not remove it himself. im sure thats a much easier option than having to potentially face legal action. its also a massive design flaw in the trust system and forum if mods cant edit/amend trust feedback in instances like this.
and i cant contact him directly because he blocked me from PMing him so i have had to air the dirty laundry in public. following the public airing (here) mods inform me they supposedly have no control over the trust system, which, if true leave them and the site operators vulnerable to legal action due to them not taking action to rectify the situation once notified.
i honestly dont want to go on a whole legal crusade here but i have a severe will to fight things purely for the sake of the principle alone so as such until i am back in fair standings i will be completely willing to take legal actions against Vod and the site operators for allowing this to happen and then doing nothing about it. if they cant actually remove the rep themselves they can certainly threaten to ban him if he does not remove it himself. im sure thats a much easier option than having to potentially face legal action. its also a massive design flaw in the trust system and forum if mods cant edit/amend trust feedback in instances like this.
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February 05, 2014, 06:42:02 AM
I'd just try work it out with Vod. I sympathise with you if your intentions were fair, but unfortunately with the way PP works it makes most newbs immediately look like scammers or at the very least it arouses suspicion. Maybe if you stick around long enough and wait until the timelimit for a PP chargeback has expired Vod might then remove his rating.
February 05, 2014, 06:14:20 AM
and to forum admin/owners/forum members (Vod) not in the UK.
there it is in black and white in US law as well. ignoring this thread will not save you, you must act now and rectify this as i already have proof of forum admin/owners/mods being made aware of the defamatory actions from user Vod.
i have now PMed this to theymos as moderators have taken no action. should my account be mysteriously banned i will look into legal action regarding that as well because the chain of events would then be: defamatory comments from other user, moderators/admin made aware, nothing done, i am banned as an attempt at an easy out which is all wrong. i dont want to make life difficult for people here i just want what is fair and to be left to use the forum like any other member without having false accusations and defamatory comments directed at me. i dont mind people stating i may be a scammer in threads purely because i am a newbie, i think that is perfectly fair given the amount of scammers and the fact that i have next to no positive feedback yet. where i draw the line is when someone follows me into other threads making defamatory comments and accusations as well as leaving me bad rep with no factual evidence which then harms my reputation and prevents me from being able to trade with other members.
i am saving revised/duplicate copies of this thread as and when i make additional replies/comments. i am also now saving all PM's made to forum moderators and administrators to further prove my effort to make contact and have the situation rectified prior to seeking legal advice if necessary. you guys need to fix this ASAP. i dont know how many of his accusations against other newbies are true or not but im sure if any of them are still using the forum they will chime in when made aware of this thread and my potential legal action so you may have a snowball on your hands if you dont sort it out and put a muzzle on Vod.
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The Communications Decency Act Of 1996
The Communications Decency Act of 1996 (CDA) was actually established to try and deal with the publication of pornography and other adult content freely and widely available on the Internet. However, it was also created in a bid to combat any indecent and defamatory content found on websites and other online publications.
Section 230 of the CDA is the section that is perhaps most relevant to online defamation. It attempts to deal with the question of an ISP's liability to content that is stored on their servers. Although it does not specifically outline all instances, it does contend that an ISP is not responsible for the information published by their users unless and until they are informed of any infringement; at this point, the ISP should act to remove the content or face legal action themselves.
The Communications Decency Act of 1996 can be viewed in full at the FCC website - http://www.fcc.gov/Reports/tcom1996.txt
The Communications Decency Act of 1996 (CDA) was actually established to try and deal with the publication of pornography and other adult content freely and widely available on the Internet. However, it was also created in a bid to combat any indecent and defamatory content found on websites and other online publications.
Section 230 of the CDA is the section that is perhaps most relevant to online defamation. It attempts to deal with the question of an ISP's liability to content that is stored on their servers. Although it does not specifically outline all instances, it does contend that an ISP is not responsible for the information published by their users unless and until they are informed of any infringement; at this point, the ISP should act to remove the content or face legal action themselves.
The Communications Decency Act of 1996 can be viewed in full at the FCC website - http://www.fcc.gov/Reports/tcom1996.txt
there it is in black and white in US law as well. ignoring this thread will not save you, you must act now and rectify this as i already have proof of forum admin/owners/mods being made aware of the defamatory actions from user Vod.
i have now PMed this to theymos as moderators have taken no action. should my account be mysteriously banned i will look into legal action regarding that as well because the chain of events would then be: defamatory comments from other user, moderators/admin made aware, nothing done, i am banned as an attempt at an easy out which is all wrong. i dont want to make life difficult for people here i just want what is fair and to be left to use the forum like any other member without having false accusations and defamatory comments directed at me. i dont mind people stating i may be a scammer in threads purely because i am a newbie, i think that is perfectly fair given the amount of scammers and the fact that i have next to no positive feedback yet. where i draw the line is when someone follows me into other threads making defamatory comments and accusations as well as leaving me bad rep with no factual evidence which then harms my reputation and prevents me from being able to trade with other members.
i am saving revised/duplicate copies of this thread as and when i make additional replies/comments. i am also now saving all PM's made to forum moderators and administrators to further prove my effort to make contact and have the situation rectified prior to seeking legal advice if necessary. you guys need to fix this ASAP. i dont know how many of his accusations against other newbies are true or not but im sure if any of them are still using the forum they will chime in when made aware of this thread and my potential legal action so you may have a snowball on your hands if you dont sort it out and put a muzzle on Vod.
February 05, 2014, 05:32:39 AM
February 05, 2014, 04:38:00 AM
it would appear that under UK law i have a case for libel here against Vod which may also include the forum operator/s. i will look up/enquire about laws internationally as well, however, under UK law and as i am already knee deep in another court case against a major government organisation (the western health and social care trust) at present which is progressing its way up to the high court and if needs be the european court of human rights i can simply inquire about a libel case against Vod/the forum operators at my next solicitors appointment and will do so unless the defamatory accusations against me are removed. im sure a little libel case will be a walk in the park compared to challenging a governmental organisation of malpractice, incompetence, discrimination and a host of other things.
all of the four meanings of defamation above apply to me here, furthermore:
regarding my momentary acts of written abuse to Vod (which i have since removed):
furthermore by some of his accusations in the 3 threads in the original post above i may have grounds for both true and false innuendo against him:
i also have grounds to for him for publication, also publication covers the forum operators due to connection by allowing this to happen:
furthermore with regards to the forum operators not handling this:
this thread is my notification of this defamatory comment from Vod so from here forth the forum operators are also held rpartly responsible if nothing is done now. mods/admin/vod himself need to sort this out NOW as i am not playing around here. all i want is to be left alone and allowed use the forum without being dafamed/slandered and to be able to gain or lose trust through any transactions i partake in on the forum which is completely fair.. if i scam someone then by all means shout it from the rooftops but as i have not and as the only rep i have had thus far is positive there are no grounds for his accusations against me.
EDIT: furthermore, i have saved a copy of all of Vods comments to me in threads as well as the negative rep. i have also saved a copy of this thread should forum operators decide to magicaly make it disappear.
THE ONLY WAY OUT IS TO REMOVE VODS DEFAMATORY MISINFORMATION AND ENSURE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
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Libel and Slander
If the publication is in a permanent form (for example in a book, magazine or film), then the defamation is libel. It is slander if the publication is in a transient form (speech). Signs, gestures, photographs, pictures, statues, cartoons etc. can also give rise to a claim for defamation, but the most obvious types of defamatory statements are written or spoken words.
The principal practical difference between claims for libel and claims for slander is what a claimant must prove to succeed in his or her claim. In libel claims, the claimant does not have to prove that he or she has suffered loss or damage as a result of the publication. In contrast, in claims for slander, the claimant must prove actual damage. There are however several exceptions to the rule that actual damage must be proved in claims for slander.
For example, if the spoken words accuse the claimant of committing a crime; of having a contagious disease; of being unfit for his or her office, business or profession; or if the communication is an attack of the credit of trades people; or an accusation of being unchaste or adulterous against a woman or girl. In these cases damage is presumed and need not be proved.
Meaning of Defamation
There is no single comprehensive definition of what is defamatory. Various suggestions have been made before the courts, including any material which:
*Is to a person’s discredit.
*Tends to lower him or her in the estimation of others.
*Causes him or her to be shunned or avoided.
*Causes him or her to be exposed to hatred, ridicule or contempt.
If the publication is in a permanent form (for example in a book, magazine or film), then the defamation is libel. It is slander if the publication is in a transient form (speech). Signs, gestures, photographs, pictures, statues, cartoons etc. can also give rise to a claim for defamation, but the most obvious types of defamatory statements are written or spoken words.
The principal practical difference between claims for libel and claims for slander is what a claimant must prove to succeed in his or her claim. In libel claims, the claimant does not have to prove that he or she has suffered loss or damage as a result of the publication. In contrast, in claims for slander, the claimant must prove actual damage. There are however several exceptions to the rule that actual damage must be proved in claims for slander.
For example, if the spoken words accuse the claimant of committing a crime; of having a contagious disease; of being unfit for his or her office, business or profession; or if the communication is an attack of the credit of trades people; or an accusation of being unchaste or adulterous against a woman or girl. In these cases damage is presumed and need not be proved.
Meaning of Defamation
There is no single comprehensive definition of what is defamatory. Various suggestions have been made before the courts, including any material which:
*Is to a person’s discredit.
*Tends to lower him or her in the estimation of others.
*Causes him or her to be shunned or avoided.
*Causes him or her to be exposed to hatred, ridicule or contempt.
all of the four meanings of defamation above apply to me here, furthermore:
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Under Article 10(2) of the Convention, the protection of the reputation of others is a legitimate ground for restricting the right to freedom of expression. Libel and slander are legal claims that protect an individual’s reputation against defamation. An individual is defamed when a person publishes to a third party words or matter containing an untrue imputation against his or her reputation.
regarding my momentary acts of written abuse to Vod (which i have since removed):
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A statement that amounts to an insult or is mere vulgar abuse is not defamatory. This is because the words do not convey a defamatory meaning to those who heard them (simple abuse is unlikely to cause real damage to a reputation).
furthermore by some of his accusations in the 3 threads in the original post above i may have grounds for both true and false innuendo against him:
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False Innuendo: An alternative meaning which the ordinary, reasonable person who can read between the lines would infer from the words is known as the ‘false innuendo’ meaning.
True Innuendo: True innuendo arises when words that appear to be innocent to some people appear as defamatory to others because they possess special knowledge or extra information (for example, reading about someone getting married wouldn’t seem damaging to their reputation - unless you knew that they were already married!).
True Innuendo: True innuendo arises when words that appear to be innocent to some people appear as defamatory to others because they possess special knowledge or extra information (for example, reading about someone getting married wouldn’t seem damaging to their reputation - unless you knew that they were already married!).
i also have grounds to for him for publication, also publication covers the forum operators due to connection by allowing this to happen:
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Publication
The words complained of must have been published by the person sued to a third party. Publication includes any means of communication even if only to one other person. Due to the breadth of the term publication, many individuals with only a slight connection to the work can find themselves ensnared in defamation proceedings.
The words complained of must have been published by the person sued to a third party. Publication includes any means of communication even if only to one other person. Due to the breadth of the term publication, many individuals with only a slight connection to the work can find themselves ensnared in defamation proceedings.
furthermore with regards to the forum operators not handling this:
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The High Court has held for the purposes of the Defamation Act 1996 that an Internet Service Provider (ISP) which transmits a posting from its news server to subscribers who want to use it, is not the publisher of the posting, although at common law it would be considered to be. However, the court held that because the ISP had not removed the offending material as soon as it was notified of its existence, it had not acted reasonably and the defence under the Defamation Act 1996 was not available.
this thread is my notification of this defamatory comment from Vod so from here forth the forum operators are also held rpartly responsible if nothing is done now. mods/admin/vod himself need to sort this out NOW as i am not playing around here. all i want is to be left alone and allowed use the forum without being dafamed/slandered and to be able to gain or lose trust through any transactions i partake in on the forum which is completely fair.. if i scam someone then by all means shout it from the rooftops but as i have not and as the only rep i have had thus far is positive there are no grounds for his accusations against me.
EDIT: furthermore, i have saved a copy of all of Vods comments to me in threads as well as the negative rep. i have also saved a copy of this thread should forum operators decide to magicaly make it disappear.
THE ONLY WAY OUT IS TO REMOVE VODS DEFAMATORY MISINFORMATION AND ENSURE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
February 05, 2014, 03:58:42 AM
i am sorry for my behavior last night here and im sure it doest paint a nice picture but what else can i do besides shutting up and taking it? i have removed all but my initial negative rep stating that he is making false accusations because he has not removed his negative rep which is a blatant lie/defamation of character and downright slanderous and i refuse to simply bend over and take it purely because i am new and he is not.. i gave him benefit of the doubt the first time he left me bad rep and then removed it, this time he has not removed it so he deserves everything he gets.
as for mods not being able to do anything.. i dont believe that for a second.. maybe they cant remove it themselves but they sure as hell can instruct him to remove it. also looking through other rep he has got it appears he is claiming people are scammers to make himself look good on the forum as there has been loads of others getting the same treatment before me. now if that is not a troll then i dont know what is..
i was only being immature because thats the way he has behaved and i saw no other immediate way to convince him to put right what he has done wrong. what else was i suposed to do if mods will do nothing? just accept a bad rep that will mean no one will trade with me from some internet troll that doesnt know me from adam and makes false accusations against me? i think i may seriously look up the legalities of this as i know in real life someone could be taken up for defamation of character or making slanderous accusations with no evidence to back it up. i have no problem filing legal action or reporting him to whoever i can if mods will not assist me here.
i registered purely out of a newly discovered interest in bitcoins, why should i be forced to have to put up with or accept accusations which are not true? quite simply i do not so until he stops being an asshole and removes his bad rep on me i will not let this go.. you DO NOT accuse people of things when they have not done anything wrong or when you have no evidence to back up your claims.
@jimmyjames, i PMed him the first time he did it. before he did it the second time he blocked PM's from me so i cant just PM him hence bringing the issue into the public eye here until he learns he can not make blind accusations. just because he is hiding behind a keyboard does not mean i must therefor accept whatever he wished to do that has a direct impact on me and any potential business of mine as a member here.
EDIT: also if i cannot take legal action against him then i shall take action against the site/forum for standing idly by and allowing this to happen and then doing nothing about it when i bring it to your attention as i will lose potential revenue because of his defamtory accusations. i will cease and decist any action i am looking into or start to take once the situation has been rectified, until such times i am now looking into legal action against him and/or te site/forum operators.
as for mods not being able to do anything.. i dont believe that for a second.. maybe they cant remove it themselves but they sure as hell can instruct him to remove it. also looking through other rep he has got it appears he is claiming people are scammers to make himself look good on the forum as there has been loads of others getting the same treatment before me. now if that is not a troll then i dont know what is..
i was only being immature because thats the way he has behaved and i saw no other immediate way to convince him to put right what he has done wrong. what else was i suposed to do if mods will do nothing? just accept a bad rep that will mean no one will trade with me from some internet troll that doesnt know me from adam and makes false accusations against me? i think i may seriously look up the legalities of this as i know in real life someone could be taken up for defamation of character or making slanderous accusations with no evidence to back it up. i have no problem filing legal action or reporting him to whoever i can if mods will not assist me here.
i registered purely out of a newly discovered interest in bitcoins, why should i be forced to have to put up with or accept accusations which are not true? quite simply i do not so until he stops being an asshole and removes his bad rep on me i will not let this go.. you DO NOT accuse people of things when they have not done anything wrong or when you have no evidence to back up your claims.
@jimmyjames, i PMed him the first time he did it. before he did it the second time he blocked PM's from me so i cant just PM him hence bringing the issue into the public eye here until he learns he can not make blind accusations. just because he is hiding behind a keyboard does not mean i must therefor accept whatever he wished to do that has a direct impact on me and any potential business of mine as a member here.
EDIT: also if i cannot take legal action against him then i shall take action against the site/forum for standing idly by and allowing this to happen and then doing nothing about it when i bring it to your attention as i will lose potential revenue because of his defamtory accusations. i will cease and decist any action i am looking into or start to take once the situation has been rectified, until such times i am now looking into legal action against him and/or te site/forum operators.
February 04, 2014, 10:08:18 PM
Vod is the only person who can remove the negative trust feedback. As grue has stated earlier, the Trust System is not moderated so Moderators or Admin will not remove it for you.
I can see only one negative rep from Vod, but I can see multiple negative reps from yourself. I don't think people will take you seriously with the comments you have made in your multiple negative feedbacks. I suggest that you remove the insults and just state the facts from your point of view and then PM Vod and try and work it out amicably.
Also Vod is on the Default Trust list while you are not, so most members will see his feedback and not yours by default. So you will not win this by trying to "bury him in negative feedback".
I can see only one negative rep from Vod, but I can see multiple negative reps from yourself. I don't think people will take you seriously with the comments you have made in your multiple negative feedbacks. I suggest that you remove the insults and just state the facts from your point of view and then PM Vod and try and work it out amicably.
Also Vod is on the Default Trust list while you are not, so most members will see his feedback and not yours by default. So you will not win this by trying to "bury him in negative feedback".
February 04, 2014, 08:43:45 PM
i know but if i have not scammed someone then he should not be able to negative rep me saying that i have, am or will.
could you please tell him to delete that. i left him a neg also but as i did the first time i will remove mine as well as my signature once he has removed his stupid childish rep. or if it is unmoderated and he wants to play games im sure i could start piling the negatives up on him one after another, after another, after another, after another and so on. honestly the principle of things sticks with me so id have no issue wasting like 4 hours burying him in negative rep just for being an asshole. Vod, i hope your reading this.. you fucked with the wrong dude, delete it or the gloves are off.
could you please tell him to delete that. i left him a neg also but as i did the first time i will remove mine as well as my signature once he has removed his stupid childish rep. or if it is unmoderated and he wants to play games im sure i could start piling the negatives up on him one after another, after another, after another, after another and so on. honestly the principle of things sticks with me so id have no issue wasting like 4 hours burying him in negative rep just for being an asshole. Vod, i hope your reading this.. you fucked with the wrong dude, delete it or the gloves are off.
February 04, 2014, 08:41:33 PM
trust system ratings are not moderated.
February 04, 2014, 07:54:35 PM
Vod has negative repped me not once but twice. the first time i did the same to him and he deleted his bad rep on me so i did the same. hes now done it a second time so i have done the same again. i have better things to be doing with my time than bickering with some immature member for no apparent reason other than hes obviously taken a disliking to me because i am new and i dont take kindly to being accused of being a potential scammer purely because i am new. any actual evidence in my very short time being here thus far has been good as i bought 0.12BTC off of Foysal and paid him with paypal to which hes done whatever with the money as i have not scammed him. feel free to contact him and verify that..
furthermore Vod has followed me into 2 threads making defamatory comments and telling people to beware and whatnot which allthough does not directly accuse me of being a scammer sure as hell paints a pretty picture of it though.
here is my first instance of interacting with him where he basically accuses me of being a scammer:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4941036
and here is what he has negative repped me for, not once but twice! seriously? wtf? (this is the first thread he followed me into)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4940053
not happy with the arguement in that thread he then follows me (for a second time) to a for sale thread of mine where he paints me as a potential scammer yet again:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/misc-domain-names-for-sale-449416
seriously.. sort it out. im not interested in bickering with him i just want to be left alone and let any transactions i do on here speak for me rather than some random guy with a bee in his bonnet for newbies.
furthermore Vod has followed me into 2 threads making defamatory comments and telling people to beware and whatnot which allthough does not directly accuse me of being a scammer sure as hell paints a pretty picture of it though.
here is my first instance of interacting with him where he basically accuses me of being a scammer:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4941036
and here is what he has negative repped me for, not once but twice! seriously? wtf? (this is the first thread he followed me into)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4940053
not happy with the arguement in that thread he then follows me (for a second time) to a for sale thread of mine where he paints me as a potential scammer yet again:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/misc-domain-names-for-sale-449416
seriously.. sort it out. im not interested in bickering with him i just want to be left alone and let any transactions i do on here speak for me rather than some random guy with a bee in his bonnet for newbies.
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