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Fica Tranquilo
February 20, 2014, 05:15:33 AM
#43
Ok, MtGox is now late with posting an update compared to last update on the 10th.



And there it is. Quoted in whole, in case the Gox website goes down:

Quote from: Gox
Dear MtGox Customers and Bitcoiners,

As you are aware, etc....


Best Regards,
MtGox Team
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February 10, 2014, 02:05:21 PM
#40
Goodbay
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February 10, 2014, 05:57:39 AM
#39
now it is time to buy litecoin !
 Grin
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February 10, 2014, 05:57:15 AM
#38
based on the way they've named their prior news releases, whenever they DO post their next announcement, it should be here as long as they post it today: 

https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html

Another statement of BS. Not only did Gox not provide a precise time to when withdrawal would be enabled again, they shifted the burden onto the core developers!  Embarrassed
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February 10, 2014, 05:10:22 AM
#37
based on the way they've named their prior news releases, whenever they DO post their next announcement, it should be here as long as they post it today: 

https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html
Actually there already _is_ a statement on that URL, though it does not show (yet?) on the news site. Apparently everyone fell victim to a BTC inherent problem of spoofing transactions. Then the state: "We have discussed this solution with the Bitcoin core developers and will allow Bitcoin withdrawals again once it has been approved and standardized."
So can a Bitcoin core developer confirm that? Obviously there are no reasons to trust gox.
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February 10, 2014, 05:06:05 AM
#36
based on the way they've named their prior news releases, whenever they DO post their next announcement, it should be here as long as they post it today: 

https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html

And there it is. Quoted in whole, in case the Gox website goes down:

Quote from: Gox
Dear MtGox Customers and Bitcoiners,

As you are aware, the MtGox team has been working hard to address an issue with the way that bitcoin withdrawals are processed. By "bitcoin withdrawal" we are referring to transactions from a MtGox bitcoin wallet to an external bitcoin address. Bitcoin transactions to any MtGox bitcoin address, and currency withdrawals (Yen, Euro, etc) are not affected by this issue.

The problem we have identified is not limited to MtGox, and affects all transactions where Bitcoins are being sent to a third party. We believe that the changes required for addressing this issue will be positive over the long term for the whole community. As a result we took the necessary action of suspending bitcoin withdrawals until this technical issue has been resolved.


Addressing Transaction Malleability
MtGox has detected unusual activity on its Bitcoin wallets and performed investigations during the past weeks. This confirmed the presence of transactions which need to be examined more closely.


Non-technical Explanation:
A bug in the bitcoin software makes it possible for someone to use the Bitcoin network to alter transaction details to make it seem like a sending of bitcoins to a bitcoin wallet did not occur when in fact it did occur. Since the transaction appears as if it has not proceeded correctly, the bitcoins may be resent. MtGox is working with the Bitcoin core development team and others to mitigate this issue.


Technical Explanation:
Bitcoin transactions are subject to a design issue that has been largely ignored, while known to at least a part of the Bitcoin core developers and mentioned on the BitcoinTalk forums. This defect, known as "transaction malleability" makes it possible for a third party to alter the hash of any freshly issued transaction without invalidating the signature, hence resulting in a similar transaction under a different hash. Of course only one of the two transactions can be validated. However, if the party who altered the transaction is fast enough, for example with a direct connection to different mining pools, or has even a small amount of mining power, it can easily cause the transaction hash alteration to be committed to the blockchain.

The bitcoin api "sendtoaddress" broadly used to send bitcoins to a given bitcoin address will return a transaction hash as a way to track the transaction's insertion in the blockchain.
Most wallet and exchange services will keep a record of this said hash in order to be able to respond to users should they inquire about their transaction. It is likely that these services will assume the transaction was not sent if it doesn't appear in the blockchain with the original hash and have currently no means to recognize the alternative transactions as theirs in an efficient way.

This means that an individual could request bitcoins from an exchange or wallet service, alter the resulting transaction's hash before inclusion in the blockchain, then contact the issuing service while claiming the transaction did not proceed. If the alteration fails, the user can simply send the bitcoins back and try again until successful.

We believe this can be addressed by using a different hash for transaction tracking purposes. While the network will continue to use the current hash for the purpose of inclusion in each block's Merkle Tree, the new hash's purpose will be to track a given transaction and can be computed and indexed by hashing the exact signed string via SHA256 (in the same way transactions are currently hashed).

This new transaction hash will allow signing parties to keep track of any transaction they have signed and can easily be computed, even for past transactions.

We have discussed this solution with the Bitcoin core developers and will allow Bitcoin withdrawals again once it has been approved and standardized.

In the meantime, exchanges and wallet services - and any service sending coins directly to third parties - should be extremely careful with anyone claiming their transaction did not go through.

Note that this will also affect any other crypto-currency using the same transaction scheme as Bitcoin.


Conclusion
To put things in perspective, it's important to remember that Bitcoin is a very new technology and still very much in its early stages. What MtGox and the Bitcoin community have experienced in the past year has been an incredible and exciting challenge, and there is still much to do to further improve.

MtGox will resume bitcoin withdrawals to outside wallets once the issue outlined above has been properly addressed in a manner that will best serve our customers.

More information on the status of this issue will be released as soon as possible.

We thank you for taking the time to read this, and especially for your patience.

Best Regards,
MtGox Team
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February 10, 2014, 04:55:19 AM
#35
based on the way they've named their prior news releases, whenever they DO post their next announcement, it should be here as long as they post it today: 

https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html
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February 10, 2014, 04:53:13 AM
#34
They will bring down the Gox price and de-facto rob their own locked-up customers by devaluing the price, waiting for them to panic, not posting updates, and buying up cheap coins to be able to handle partial payouts again in the near future and still earn money on trade fees. Brilliant!

I was never a fan of Gox. I have always trusted BTC-E much more than Gox, despite heavy propaganda against them. I have seen a lot of people accusing the BTC-E as an exchange being run by the Russian mafia.
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February 10, 2014, 04:32:42 AM
#33
If they are able to fix the issue, or they have sorted out it and will fix in just next few days, they will update the status ASAP.

But now not, it is obvious that the situation is worse than we expected and they are thinking about the  wording of statement, how to hide the fact as well as make more time for them.
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February 10, 2014, 04:18:33 AM
#32
1. They need more time.

2. They are not enabling withdrawals

3. They like bananas.

4. 1, 2, and 3.  Tongue

5. We are offering 75% off on all trading fees for 30 days, we want to still be your primary source for really good Gox.  Cheesy

They will bring down the Gox price and de-facto rob their own locked-up customers by devaluing the price, waiting for them to panic, not posting updates, and buying up cheap coins to be able to handle partial payouts again in the near future and still earn money on trade fees. Brilliant!
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February 10, 2014, 04:18:08 AM
#31
Still waiting.....
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February 10, 2014, 04:15:20 AM
#30
1. They need more time.

2. They are not enabling withdrawals

3. They like bananas.

4. 1, 2, and 3.  Tongue

5. We are offering 75% to 90% off on all trading fees for 30 days, we want to still be your primary source for really good Gox.  Cheesy
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February 10, 2014, 04:09:44 AM
#29
It is now Monday evening in Tokyo, still no news from Gox??

I hope they are drafting the statement now, will be watching this closely...
https://www.mtgox.com/news

If i were them, i'd put google ads there...alot of money to be made only by ppl reloading that link  Grin
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February 10, 2014, 03:56:50 AM
#28
It is now Monday evening in Tokyo, still no news from Gox??

I hope they are drafting the statement now, will be watching this closely...
https://www.mtgox.com/news
legendary
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February 10, 2014, 03:51:25 AM
#27
Hmm, no news today. How unexpected.
Not!
Oh, there will be news. Friday, most of the world's financial press covered Mt. Gox's announcement that they were suspending all withdrawals and would have a new announcement Monday. Press coverage of this was very negative. Tomorrow morning, all those news outlets will have a follow-up story. Mt. Gox is going to have worldwide press coverage again and it's going to be worse than Friday.
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February 10, 2014, 03:46:04 AM
#26
as long as not pass 12AM.. still consider monday.. shall wait and see...
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February 10, 2014, 03:35:53 AM
#25
Any ideas?

Jeez.

This whole sorry saga says more about the gossip mongering, fickle nature of the cryptocurrency market than any one exchange.

Who gives a flying f*k what happens to Gox on Monday - notwithstanding individuals who can't get their coins off. As far as the rest of us goes it just goes to show how ridiculously insignificant and gossip driven this market is.

The fact that a bit of rumourmongering about one exchange (that was diminishing in significance anyway) has everybody loosing sleep, panic selling, and starting threads on Bitcointalk like a bunch of texting-teenagers tells you all you need to know about how far cryptocurrencies have to go to be taken seriously.

Wake me up in December when the Winklevoss's **might** have managed to take us one step out of the nursery.


Ok Bye!
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February 10, 2014, 03:24:01 AM
#24
Any ideas?

Jeez.

This whole sorry saga says more about the gossip mongering, fickle nature of the cryptocurrency market than any one exchange.

Who gives a flying f*k what happens to Gox on Monday - notwithstanding individuals who can't get their coins off. As far as the rest of us goes it just goes to show how ridiculously insignificant and gossip driven this market is.

The fact that a bit of rumourmongering about one exchange (that was diminishing in significance anyway) has everybody loosing sleep, panic selling, and starting threads on Bitcointalk like a bunch of texting-teenagers tells you all you need to know about how far cryptocurrencies have to go to be taken seriously.

Wake me up in December when the Winklevoss's **might** have managed to take us one step out of the nursery.
legendary
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February 10, 2014, 03:21:22 AM
#23
Well, as of 5 PM Monday Tokyo time, there's no new announcement from Mt. Gox.
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