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August 01, 2015, 04:56:51 PM
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... but what I do not see here is the Bytecoin comits from 2012, 2013 and early 2014.

Oh shit I forgot those.

Here's a link to all the dev work Bytecoin did from the beginning of 2012 until March 2014
 
 
Oh it's been a long time, my friend.  Well played.
legendary
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4. Next, I posted it on the "Moneo Technical Discussion Thread", which is moderated, and Smooth ordered the OP to delete it and ban me.

No that is not what happened. You're being paranoid-delusional-dishonest again.

What happened was the moderated thread-starter had already (with no input from me, btw) asked you not to post on his thread, but you did anyway. What I asked the thread starter to do was to delete my message after he had dealt with your moderation abuse.

Get help.


Actually you can pay your psychiarist with Moneros in New York according to aminorex.
legendary
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4. Next, I posted it on the "Moneo Technical Discussion Thread", which is moderated, and Smooth ordered the OP to delete it and ban me.

No that is not what happened. You're being paranoid-delusional-dishonest again.

What happened was the moderated thread-starter had already (with no input from me, btw) asked you not to post on his thread, but you did anyway. What I asked the thread starter to do was to delete my message after he had dealt with your moderation abuse.

Get help.
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... but what I do not see here is the Bytecoin comits from 2012, 2013 and early 2014.

Oh shit I forgot those.

Here's a link to all the dev work Bytecoin did from the beginning of 2012 until March 2014
legendary
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Monero Core Team
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... but what I do not see here is the Bytecoin comits from 2012, 2013 and early 2014.
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For the Monero trolls who like to say I am paranoid instead of explain why they 're development is so behind other Cryptonote coin

Awwwwww shit, my nigga, the fucking champion cryptocurrency scammers are back from the dead! Well done on resurrecting your CryptoShit Bytemyass scam from certain death. I see you found some time to make pictures, congratu-fucking-lations on learning to use Corel Draw. Now instead of your scam bullshit why don't we talk about what a real open source project looks like and what your scam looks like. Here you go, retards.

What a real open source project's commits look like:





What a SCAM project's commits look like:



What a real open source project's commit frequency looks like:





What a SCAM project's commit frequency looks like:



And for good fucking measure...

What a real open source project's contributor list looks like:




What a SCAM project's contributor list looks like:




Why don't you curl up into a ball and die like the lying scammer fuckheads you are?
newbie
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For the Monero trolls who like to say I am paranoid instead of explain why they 're development is so behind other Cryptonote coin, here is the record of how the post in the OP was censored yesterday:

1. I post it as a response to the unmoderated thread "Why is Monero ignored by the public even though it has the best tech out there?" and it got deleted.  The user who quoted my post also had that post deleted.

Here is the next post after it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12013612

Here you can see another user mention my post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12014493

2. Because it was deleted, I post it on the unmoderated XMR thread, where it is deleted again. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-a-secure-private-untraceable-cryptocurrency-583449

3. I made a new unmoderated thread for the post to sit on https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-technical-discussion-unmoderated-1139813, and posted a link to it on the XMR thread, that then got deleted


My technical post for Monero development is deleted today, here and Monero Reddit.

If you don't want the censored version of Monero development, I have post the deleted information in an open thread:  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-technical-discussion-unmoderated-1139813
4. Next, I posted it on the "Moneo Technical Discussion Thread", which is moderated, and Smooth ordered the OP to delete it and ban me. They also changed the name to "Monero Improvement Tecnical Discussion" so they could say the above post was "off-topic".  This is the only evidence let on that thread.

https://i.imgur.com/IpIcpIi.png

5. Finally, I made the the "Monero Tecnical Discussion Thread (unmoderated)" so I could share the (now deleted from 3 threads) post, which then got moved immediately to "meta", with no "moved" message in the alt discussion list (I did not know it was there, I thought i just deleted). https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/monero-are-the-development-claims-valid-1140460

At that point, I even do not have a copy of the post myself, then today, Kazuki posted this, from his own PM about my deleted post from the Monero thread:

I got my post calling your trolling out deleted, like many many others that I don't bitch about. I guess the mods work for you now.


My technical post for Monero development is deleted today, here and Monero Reddit.

If you don't want the censored version of Monero development, I have post the deleted information in an open thread:  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-technical-discussion-unmoderated-1139813

There is nothing technical in your pure trolling, anyone with half IQ can see the Monero github is full of activity with real underlying improvements over cosmetic ones.

So now I have a copy of the post, and I post it here.  

If you want to say I am paranoid, please show me where in the Alt discussion this post still exist - it doesn't, it was deleted from 3 unmoderated threads, and even a whole other thread was moved because it contained this post.

It is the post that Monero does not want you to read.  I wonder why?  Huh
legendary
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The wallet is updated in github after heavy development consisting of over 1000 commits (as anyone can independently verify so I won't both to post commit logs here), and is available for testing.

Hey smooth, this latest squabble touches on a point I wrote about at a venue called Enter Stage Right. Believe it or not, the rubric I was riffin' on was none other than altcoin socialism! With respect to the, er, current subject, here's the "money quote":

Quote from: Nxtblg under another name
Altcoin Socialism Turns Out To Be…Socialism    

Since I had to relearn the old learnings the hard way, I can relate why socialism has the perennial appeal that it does. Strangely, a well-run commune or socialist "community" taps into the same yearning for glory you find on the football field. If you're iron-clad sure in your heart that your team is the best there is, you'll pour your guts out on the gridiron. And, if you're convinced that your commune is inevitably going to rock the world as well as yield a nice living, you'll throw yourself into the work just as a professional defensive tackle throws himself into a tackling dummy in practice sessions.

The trouble is: the world of work does not fit into a gridiron.

When you're on the football field, you give it all you got for the two to three hours that the game lasts. But then, the game is over. It's time to get ready for the next one. Followed by the next one after that, and so on until the season ends.

If this high-charged and high-powered ethic is transformed into a commune, it puts a psychological premium on short-term tasks that produce short-term results. Results that you can show to the rest of the commune during the inevitable and necessary morale-keeping rah-rah sessions. That's what keeps everyone going: a touchdown here, a field goal there, and so on. As a result, a commune is not conducive to all the necessary long-term work that takes weeks or months of sustained effort without any visible results. Even if the Leader is conscientious enough to make them "feel included," everyone can see the difference. The people who've completed something and show it – who've won a tangible victory that everyone sees – get real applause, while the long-termers get the polite A-for-effort applause. Inevitably, this drains the morale of people doing the long-term building work.

And if the Leader is not conscientious, the long-term builders wind up getting treated like the towel boy.

The only way to compensate for this inevitable short-termism is to turn the cheerleading and applause into a ritual that sticks. That's why commune rah-rah inevitably turns into an outright faith or even cult. You need that faith securely in your heart to keep plugging away when the incentive tie between your personal work and your personal reward is broken. Like it is in the commune setup, and like it is in any socialist scheme.

Eventually the good ole tragedy of the commons surfaces, which gets a good push from the fact that some people – shrewdly if cynically – see that they'll get fed even if they putter around. They also get the idea that they're smarter than the hard-chargers. So the Stakhanovite, in an essentially voluntary socialism, wonders why he goes from local hero to Animal Farm's Boxer.

The hard workers thus become disillusioned, in small clusters or one by one. Then they get outraged and start yelling, or they get apathetic and quietly move on. Once the tragedy-of-the-commons ball gets rolling, it's only a matter of time before the commune breaks up and winds up as yet another cautionary tale.
 

Full context - i.e., the full article - here: http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0914/realtimeselfsocialism.htm
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I love the passion smooth puts into destroying this nutjobs paranoid dreams and thinkings Cheesy
legendary
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What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

Get help.

BTW, there are more than 9 commits. There is a bug in the github search function, and you not having a clue how to access the actual records doesn't help. I went over that with another troll once, I'm not going to do it again.

OK, Monero didn't do a release since 9 month, because from December you decide to change so user "download" repository from Github instead you don't need binaries.  Was this change an official announcement?

No, there are binaries if you want the old version, and github if you want the latest source code to build yourself. That has always been the case, there is no change. When we feel it is an appropriate time for new pre-built binaries, we'll provide them. That we haven't does not mean that no work has been done, which you would be well aware of if you were able to navigate git properly.

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I think you need to update your OP, because it still says to download the old version 0.8.8.6, not to "download" the github repository https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-a-secure-private-untraceable-cryptocurrency-583449

Both the binaries and source code are listed on the OP

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And, the Github information showing you work more on AEON is wrong, because of a bug, OK I understand  Roll Eyes

Well if you ever figure out how to search git properly you will see. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

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Do you need some help with Development?  Maybe we can ask on the forum and see if there are people who can help you with the Cryptonote code?

It is a public open source project. Anyone is welcome to contribute, and many do. I think there are something like 27 contributors so far, and the door is open.



No, there are binaries if you want the old version, and github if you want the latest source code to build yourself.

OK. I think you should tell you user, because most people will just look to download the official wallet binary.  And it is 9 months out of date, I would recommend that you update it.  Or, is there a reason why you didn't compile the binary for 9 months?  Is downloading the head from Github really safe for the users?

People have a choice. What it says on the website is something like: source code bleeding edge (possibly unstable). The older version that is available as a binary still works fine -- it isn't incompatible or anything -- but doesn't have the bleeding edge features and improvements. So what they decide to use is up to them.

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It is a public open source project. Anyone is welcome to contribute, and many do. I think there are something like 27 contributors so far, and the door is open.

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OK, lets think about how we can get you some more help.  Maybe a giveaway or a fundraiser?  I think there is a developer section where can put an advert?  I would like to help.

I don't entirely understand the question. There are tech discussions on #monero-dev (IRC freenode). There is a technical section on the official forum. There is also a tasks/projects section there which is used to make suggestions for development and also raise funding (for example, recently we raised funding to pay a dedicated, but part-time developer for six months, and currently there is an open task there to improve the GPU miners).

Maybe that is what you are asking, I'm not sure.
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What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

Get help.

BTW, there are more than 9 commits. There is a bug in the github search function, and you not having a clue how to access the actual records doesn't help. I went over that with another troll once, I'm not going to do it again.

OK, Monero didn't do a release since 9 month, because from December you decide to change so user "download" repository from Github instead you don't need binaries.  Was this change an official announcement?

No, there are binaries if you want the old version, and github if you want the latest source code to build yourself. That has always been the case, there is no change. When we feel it is an appropriate time for new pre-built binaries, we'll provide them. That we haven't does not mean that no work has been done, which you would be well aware of if you were able to navigate git properly.

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I think you need to update your OP, because it still says to download the old version 0.8.8.6, not to "download" the github repository https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-a-secure-private-untraceable-cryptocurrency-583449

Both the binaries and source code are listed on the OP

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And, the Github information showing you work more on AEON is wrong, because of a bug, OK I understand  Roll Eyes

Well if you ever figure out how to search git properly you will see. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

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Do you need some help with Development?  Maybe we can ask on the forum and see if there are people who can help you with the Cryptonote code?

It is a public open source project. Anyone is welcome to contribute, and many do. I think there are something like 27 contributors so far, and the door is open.



No, there are binaries if you want the old version, and github if you want the latest source code to build yourself.

OK. I think you should tell you user, because most people will just look to download the official wallet binary.  And it is 9 months out of date, I would recommend that you update it.  Or, is there a reason why you didn't compile the binary for 9 months?  Is downloading the head from Github really safe for the users?

It is a public open source project. Anyone is welcome to contribute, and many do. I think there are something like 27 contributors so far, and the door is open.

OK, lets think about how we can get you some more help.  Maybe a giveaway or a fundraiser?  I think there is a developer section where can put an advert?  I would like to help.
legendary
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What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

Get help.

BTW, there are more than 9 commits. There is a bug in the github search function, and you not having a clue how to access the actual records doesn't help. I went over that with another troll once, I'm not going to do it again.

OK, Monero didn't do a release since 9 month, because from December you decide to change so user "download" repository from Github instead you don't need binaries.  Was this change an official announcement?

No, there are binaries if you want the old version, and github if you want the latest source code to build yourself. That has always been the case, there is no change. When we feel it is an appropriate time for new pre-built binaries, we'll provide them. That we haven't does not mean that no work has been done, which you would be well aware of if you were able to navigate git properly.

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I think you need to update your OP, because it still says to download the old version 0.8.8.6, not to "download" the github repository https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-a-secure-private-untraceable-cryptocurrency-583449

Both the binaries and source code are listed on the OP (and also the official downloads page on the web site)

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And, the Github information showing you work more on AEON is wrong, because of a bug, OK I understand  Roll Eyes

Well if you ever figure out how to search git properly you will see. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

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Do you need some help with Development?  Maybe we can ask on the forum and see if there are people who can help you with the Cryptonote code?

It is a public open source project. Anyone is welcome to contribute, and many do. I think there are something like 27 contributors so far, and the door is open.

newbie
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What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

Get help.

BTW, there are more than 9 commits. There is a bug in the github search function, and you not having a clue how to access the actual records doesn't help. I went over that with another troll once, I'm not going to do it again.

OK, Monero didn't do a release since 9 month, because from December you decide to change so user "download" repository from Github instead you don't need binaries.  Was this change an official announcement?

How come you don't say that on the Official Wallet download page?  It still have the version fom December 2014?  https://getmonero.org/downloads/

I think you need to update your OP, because it still says to download the old version 0.8.8.6, not to "download" the github repository https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-a-secure-private-untraceable-cryptocurrency-583449

And, the Github information showing you work more on AEON is wrong, because of a bug, OK I understand  Roll Eyes

Do you need some help with Development?  Maybe we can ask on the forum and see if there are people who can help you with the Cryptonote code?
legendary
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What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?

"As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before."

Get help.

BTW, there are more than 9 commits. There is a bug in the github search function, and you not having a clue how to access the actual records doesn't help. I went over that with another troll once, I'm not going to do it again.

You likewise have no clue how careful software development works when dealing with an undocumented, hastily-constructed foreign code base. One minute per commit..ROFL.

Since you asked, one thing I did (a while back) was completely rewrite a mostly working mockup of the entire consensus code in another language an an intellectual exercise to learn the details of how it worked. It was interesting and fun, and has been invaluable in finding subtle bugs and issues.


newbie
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August 01, 2015, 07:10:26 AM
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BTW, you never explain, why you claim to be a Monero dev, but you are working more on AEON

Because you don't understand how a volunteer-driven, community based open source projects work. We all are involved in other activities.

If I put even 10 minutes of my volunteered time into Monero (and believe me, I've put a hell of a lot more than that into it), that's 10 minutes more than anything I've seen you volunteer to do for a community project.

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

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and with your 2% premine?

AEON has no premine and if it did (which it didn't) I wouldn't have benefited from it since I wasn't even involved when it launched.

Get help.

If I put even 10 minutes of my volunteered time into Monero (and believe me, I've put a hell of a lot more than that into it)

I can only see 9 commits for you on Monero, maybe 10 minutes work?

https://i.imgur.com/VtrPNZh.png

What was the "hell of a lot" of time you spent on Monero, if not development?
legendary
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August 01, 2015, 07:07:15 AM
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BTW, you never explain, why you claim to be a Monero dev, but you are working more on AEON

Because you don't understand how a volunteer-driven, community-based open source projects work. We all are involved in other activities (at least, if we choose to be).

If I put even 10 minutes of my volunteered time into Monero (and believe me, I've put a hell of a lot more than that into it), that's 10 minutes more than anything I've seen you volunteer to do for a community project.

As soon as you start paying me a salary (which I'd probably refuse anyway, because I don't need the money nor the headache) you can start having a say about how I spend my time, not before.

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and with your 2% premine?

AEON has no premine and if it did (which it didn't) I wouldn't have benefited from it since I wasn't even involved when it launched. I volunteered (there's that word again) to take it over after the original developer abandoned it.

Get help.
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August 01, 2015, 07:03:29 AM
#7

This is also false. Unless you posted on a moderated thread he can't delete your posts, only forum mods can.

Let us see what happen, Smooth.  Now I am making he Youtube video to record everything, it will be interesting if the mod delete this Wink

@bytecoin davros, this dalek is malfunctioning, best send him back to engineering for a reboot.

are you paying this troll-bot, if yes, I'm sure I can do a better job, and I work for porn
newbie
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August 01, 2015, 06:54:34 AM
#6
Let us see what happen, Smooth.  Now I am making he Youtube video to record everything, it will be interesting if the mod delete this Wink

You are a delusional, paranoid nut job, obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim of persecution. Get help.

https://i.imgur.com/IpIcpIi.png


I don' mind what you say Smooth, as long as this information is here for your users to understand the truth, of your fake development, where I "download" your wallet from Github lol

BTW, you never explain, why you claim to be a Monero dev, but you are working more on AEON, and with your 2% premine?


Smooth Monero:
https://i.imgur.com/VtrPNZh.png

Smooth AEON:
https://i.imgur.com/Zthuddk.png 
G2M
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August 01, 2015, 06:38:36 AM
#5
posting in youtube thread ftw.
legendary
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August 01, 2015, 06:38:17 AM
#4
Let us see what happen, Smooth.  Now I am making he Youtube video to record everything, it will be interesting if the mod delete this Wink

You are a delusional, paranoid nut job, obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim of persecution. Get help.
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