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July 27, 2012, 06:38:42 PM
#44
I skimmed your OP with the slightest glance before I posted 'Francisco speech from Atlas Shrugged?'.

Then I re-read your post... and of course it was!

Nobody posts anything original, this long that isn't me on this forum.

  Tongue
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July 27, 2012, 06:35:01 PM
#42
Was someone greatly inspired by the long speech that Francisco gives in "Atlas Shrugged" or what?

 Cheesy
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July 27, 2012, 06:24:30 PM
#41
LightRider, I agree that the population wouldn't shrink. So let's say humans, due to very efficient production, want for nothing and have much more leisure time. Let's say that in his leisure time, one person creates beautiful artwork that appeals to a huge audience. How does he determine who gets to own his art, and what do they give him in exchange?

That is a question of personal and social values, which are largely informed by the environment and biopsychosocial pressures on said person and society.
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July 27, 2012, 05:02:00 PM
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LightRider, I agree that the population wouldn't shrink. So let's say humans, due to very efficient production, want for nothing and have much more leisure time. Let's say that in his leisure time, one person creates beautiful artwork that appeals to a huge audience. How does he determine who gets to own his art, and what do they give him in exchange?
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July 27, 2012, 03:50:56 PM
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Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them.

And what happens when the goods and services are provided by machines? What use does money have then?

Then the free market will self regulate  and the human population will shrink to the number that can be employed to service the machines! 

but then the number of machines needed will shrink coz there are less people left needing products and then ....    Roll Eyes

And why would population have to shrink when machines are a multiplicative force on production volume, efficiency and quality?
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July 27, 2012, 09:23:11 AM
#38
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Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them.

And what happens when the goods and services are provided by machines? What use does money have then?

Then the free market will self regulate  and the human population will shrink to the number that can be employed to service the machines! 

but then the number of machines needed will shrink coz there are less people left needing products and then ....    Roll Eyes
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July 27, 2012, 09:01:07 AM
#37
The same way as no one owns bitcoin - one hell of a clever idea that takes off faster than it can be stopped

No one owns bitcoin?

Do the miners not own the BTC they receive for their work? Do I not own the BTC in my wallet?
Bitcoins are not bitcoin
but perhaps "everyone" is better to say than "noone" with the same end result

And if the solution to having a physical machine crowdbuilt for the crowd was easy than it would have been done already
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July 27, 2012, 08:47:59 AM
#36
The same way as no one owns bitcoin - one hell of a clever idea that takes off faster than it can be stopped

No one owns bitcoin?

Do the miners not own the BTC they receive for their work? Do I not own the BTC in my wallet?
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July 27, 2012, 08:24:50 AM
#35
But a machine is more than idea. It is a physical manifestation made up of scarce resources.
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July 27, 2012, 05:36:59 AM
#34
And what happens when the goods and services are provided by machines? What use does money have then?

Who owns the machines?

No one.

I would like too to get to that point, but it begs the question, how will "no one" own the machines?
The same way as no one owns bitcoin - one hell of a clever idea that takes off faster than it can be stopped
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July 27, 2012, 02:10:31 AM
#33
And what happens when the goods and services are provided by machines? What use does money have then?

Who owns the machines?

No one.

I would like too to get to that point, but it begs the question, how will "no one" own the machines?
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July 27, 2012, 02:06:02 AM
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Then money will become a tool of exchange for the machines.

That will be highly inefficient. If we get to that point (hopefully we'll do), money (bitcoin) could be used for gambling, originals of art, and things that are truly unique or can't be replicated.

I wonder if someday Satoshi's paper notes will be worth thousands of bitcoins.
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July 27, 2012, 01:23:55 AM
#31
No one.

If "no one" owns the machines, "no one" has built or will build the machines.

If the Zeitgeist folks still wonder why their Utopia is not implemented already, here is the answer.
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July 27, 2012, 01:12:58 AM
#30
And what happens when the goods and services are provided by machines? What use does money have then?

Who owns the machines?

No one.
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July 26, 2012, 07:49:24 PM
#29
Evil is the root of all fiat.
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July 26, 2012, 05:05:10 PM
#28
And what happens when the goods and services are provided by machines? What use does money have then?

Who owns the machines?
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July 26, 2012, 02:05:03 PM
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Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them.

And what happens when the goods and services are provided by machines? What use does money have then?

Then money will become a tool of exchange for the machines.
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July 26, 2012, 03:01:30 AM
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Religion is the root of all evil.
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July 26, 2012, 01:53:39 AM
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Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them.

And what happens when the goods and services are provided by machines? What use does money have then?
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