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Topic: Money Laundering? Has it gone too far? (Read 1633 times)

legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
April 30, 2015, 10:56:24 AM
#31
can anyone guide me why there are different rules in different countries about money laundring?

Different differentiations of power between the people and their governments.

Some people have been able to keep their government power in check. Others have lost control thanks to high taxes.
newbie
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April 30, 2015, 10:53:34 AM
#30
can anyone guide me why there are different rules in different countries about money laundring?
hero member
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April 30, 2015, 08:58:33 AM
#29
Money Laundering has reached the sky limit and its never gonna end. Even the higher politicians are involved in money laundering cases in many cases but no actions are taken against them and the innocent citizens have to suffer time to check out politician's swiss bank a/c details.
newbie
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April 29, 2015, 05:41:28 AM
#28
Everything that distinguished the U.S. as a free place to live has been so throughly eroded away to nothing.  Laws in general have gone too far.  Criminals are not people who commit crimes.  Criminals are people who have had laws passed against them for what they would normally do.

sdp

Unfortunately, when you tighten the laws too much they have to opposite effect.
legendary
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April 28, 2015, 02:27:12 PM
#27
You can travel with as much cash as you want.  They just ask you declare over $10,000.

Do NOT go to the US with more than $10,000 in cash, even if you declare it. I once made that mistake. It isn't fun at all Sad

"Are you carrying anything on you I should know about?"
"Yes I have $15,000 in cash"
"Ok come right this way sir"
Why not carry bitcoin with your mobile phone Bitcoin wallet? You can load as many bitcoin as possible. No one will force you to claim your bitcoin holding. Besides that, bitcion is not recognized currency yet.

A man was arrested for refusing to give his phone’s passcode to border agents

http://uk.businessinsider.com/alain-philippon-arrested-for-refusing-to-give-phone-passcode-to-cbsa-agents-2015-3?r=US


in that case, do it right.

He did the right thing. There is no way that charge held up though?
sdp
sr. member
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April 28, 2015, 01:47:23 PM
#26
Everything that distinguished the U.S. as a free place to live has been so throughly eroded away to nothing.  Laws in general have gone too far.  Criminals are not people who commit crimes.  Criminals are people who have had laws passed against them for what they would normally do.

sdp
sr. member
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April 28, 2015, 12:46:20 PM
#25
Yup it has gone too far...Money Laundering is an very serious issue as it involves black money and who comes in list on top??

Its politicians and but obvious terrorist group.. Everyone is holding an bank ac in Swiss Bank nobody wants to disclose the details n even govt is not trying to resolve this as they are also holding a swiss bank ac which includes black money too..
legendary
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April 28, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
#24
Shocked Shocked Shocked Ouch, that is good reason why not to hold your coins in your phone.

Unfortunately, a laptop would not make any difference. They could ask for its password as well.


So practically there is no way for protection?

There is protection. File a claim, man to man, in a common law court of record. State in your claim that if there is any man who has interest in your property (besides yourself), that he come forward and show his claim, or the property stands as yours. A man can't come forward, because the mortgage is through a corporation. The corporation can't come forward because it is not a man. The attorney for the corporation can't come forward because he doesn't have firsthand knowledge of the case. If you are defaulting on your loan, the loan officer might be able to come forward with his firsthand knowledge that you signed the mortgage note, but he probably won't. The bank loses.

In all cases where a corporation comes forward and accuses you on the complaint, the corporation loses if you stand as a man, present, unrepresented in any way, and file your own original claim on top of their suit against you. Why? Because the plaintiff (the corporation) must appear. But it can't. It can't place its hand on the Bible and swear to tell the truth. It can't get on the stand. It can't verify and validate any claims it might have against you by speaking them into the record in open court as required by law. You win by default - the plaintiff doesn't appear.

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legendary
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Your country may be your worst enemy
April 28, 2015, 05:11:45 AM
#23
Shocked Shocked Shocked Ouch, that is good reason why not to hold your coins in your phone.

Unfortunately, a laptop would not make any difference. They could ask for its password as well.


So practically there is no way for protection?

You've got to hide. I have an USB key on my keyring which doesn't look like what it truly is. I also have USB keys which look like credit cards. and with Mozilla, you can have several hidden profiles.
newbie
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April 28, 2015, 02:35:33 AM
#22
Shocked Shocked Shocked Ouch, that is good reason why not to hold your coins in your phone.

Unfortunately, a laptop would not make any difference. They could ask for its password as well.


So practically there is no way for protection?
legendary
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Merit: 1385
April 27, 2015, 10:57:07 AM
#21
The big banking industry does money laundering more that anyone else. It has to do with the slow way that they take the value out of money. Here is one of the biggest ways they do it.
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Loans in the U.S. and the modern banking world that is under the IMF (International Monetary Fund) are not loans. They are creations of new money.

Two Federal Reserve pamphlets that are both now out of print explain this. They are "Modern Money Mechanics" and "Two Faces of Debt." "Two Faces of Debt" is shorter, and clearly explains how modern bank loans are not loans at the same time that they are. The thing that both pamphlets hide is, who is loaning the money to whom.

Things have changed a little since 20 years ago, but the loan process essentially works like this:
1. You get approved for a loan;
2. You sit across from the loan officer and sign the promissory note or other paperwork;
3. The loan officer takes your signed paperwork, as a loan from you, and deposits it into a temporary holding account that he opens up in your name, just like it was a check that you had signed (This might be done simply by making a ledger entry);
4. The loan officer then withdraws the amount from your temporary holding account in the form of a bank check, or maybe even cash, and closes the temporary account (This might be done simply by making a ledger entry);
5. The loan officer repays the loan to you from the instrument(s) he withdrew, with the idea that you think that it is a loan from the bank;
6. Over the months or years, you donate funds to the bank thinking that you are paying back a loan with interest, a thing that you cannot do, because the bank never loaned you the money... rather, you loaned it to the bank that first day, and the bank payed you back at the same time;
7. The bank sells the loan paperwork to unwary buyers (who don't understand the process any more than you do) to make it hard for anyone to find the real paperwork that you could use to fight the bank with.

How do we know this is true? A few bank accountants who couldn't stomach the dishonesty have come forward to show the bank ledgers that prove that this is exactly what is happening. Google "Tom Schauf," one of those (former) bank accountants, and get his books

This might be great if one of the major ideas at the time of its implementation was happening. The idea was to pay back the principal and interest to the so-called borrower at the end of the term of the loan. The bank would have the benefit of using the money during the term of the loan. The money that was created by the so-called borrower, would be returned to him, because it was his property.

The reason for doing things this way was so that money could be created to match the increased size of the population. Gold and silver are practical as money. They have value, yet in coin form are easily transferred from place to place. That's why they are the only real money that there is.

The problem with gold and silver is, there is only so much gold and silver around. In addition, both are used in industry. This means that there might not be enough gold and silver to go around as the population grows.

Part of the reason for making paper money through loans was so that the money could be increased to match the population. The process of "borrowing" money into existence was originally a very controlled process that actually DID allow only enough money to match the population as it grew.

The problem was and is, the banks are not giving the money back to the borrower at the end of the term of the loan like they should. Rather, they are keeping the money, using it to take over the world, and the people don't even understand the money process enough to demand it back.

Now we have Bitcoin... something different. And, it might make a difference, because the money laundering of the banks using the standard method in which they steal newly created money from the creators, the people, has gone way too far.

The banks will flop. The people are waking up. There will come a time that nothing that the banks can do will be able to thwart the people from going back to honest money methods. It is only a matter of time. The question is, how much strain can the current money laundering banking system take as it gradually fails, before what is left crashes suddenly?

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legendary
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April 27, 2015, 10:22:02 AM
#20
For a common man, there is nothing like a free society.

Even if you sell or buy anything, you need to declare it and pay taxes. They don't want anyone to have black money or store money in their own house. If one wants to not invest money in the bank, he is considered to have black money and is forced to pay taxes on each and every product else he is considered to be money laundering.

Even when my parents sold their house and we got 50% cash in hand, we were asked several questions while investing it in the bank and made us to give them proof as well. Our money and their rules & regulation.

When I withdraw money as well, I need to answer their useless questions that why I am taking out so much money, where will I be using it  Angry
legendary
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April 27, 2015, 06:53:53 AM
#19
Shocked Shocked Shocked Ouch, that is good reason why not to hold your coins in your phone.

Unfortunately, a laptop would not make any difference. They could ask for its password as well.


It goes for anything there that is encrypted.  Even a usb stick could be encrypted and legally if they told you to un-encrypt it you legally have to. 

It is not a bitcoin law, but a technology law.  Yes it's completely stupid, and you should know local laws before traveling to be prepared in-case something like this is required.
legendary
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Your country may be your worst enemy
April 27, 2015, 06:09:18 AM
#18
Shocked Shocked Shocked Ouch, that is good reason why not to hold your coins in your phone.

Unfortunately, a laptop would not make any difference. They could ask for its password as well.
newbie
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Merit: 0
April 27, 2015, 04:46:52 AM
#17
 Shocked Shocked Shocked Ouch, that is good reason why not to hold your coins in your phone.
legendary
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In Satoshi I Trust
April 25, 2015, 12:27:38 PM
#16
You can travel with as much cash as you want.  They just ask you declare over $10,000.

Do NOT go to the US with more than $10,000 in cash, even if you declare it. I once made that mistake. It isn't fun at all Sad

"Are you carrying anything on you I should know about?"
"Yes I have $15,000 in cash"
"Ok come right this way sir"
Why not carry bitcoin with your mobile phone Bitcoin wallet? You can load as many bitcoin as possible. No one will force you to claim your bitcoin holding. Besides that, bitcion is not recognized currency yet.

A man was arrested for refusing to give his phone’s passcode to border agents

http://uk.businessinsider.com/alain-philippon-arrested-for-refusing-to-give-phone-passcode-to-cbsa-agents-2015-3?r=US


in that case, do it right.
legendary
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April 25, 2015, 07:24:18 AM
#15
Money laundering is growing faster than ever, there are more sophisticated methods which a person can easily launder money without ever being noticed. And it is funny that recently governments pointed their fingers on bitcoin, whereas if you take US Dollar example, it is laundered in an astronomical number and the situation is the same with any other country. When bitcoin becomes fully mainstream, this will go down.
What exactly will change then? Because if bitcoin will be the same as it is now, there won't be any suffcient way to stop money laundering. Unless we ban every site similar to bitmixer or impose something as radical as bitcoin ownership registration.
legendary
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April 25, 2015, 06:39:31 AM
#14
Money laundering is growing faster than ever, there are more sophisticated methods which a person can easily launder money without ever being noticed. And it is funny that recently governments pointed their fingers on bitcoin, whereas if you take US Dollar example, it is laundered in an astronomical number and the situation is the same with any other country. When bitcoin becomes fully mainstream, this will go down.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
April 24, 2015, 11:09:35 AM
#13
They use it to make sure every bank has tons of information on us, every Bitcoin exchange needs to know all about us. It makes it harder to move your cash around, giving Bitcoin a huge advantage over holding dollars.

I am not sure that Bitcoin has a huge advantage over holding dollars. Because of the money laundering laws, converting bitcoins to fiat which can be readily used will be much tougher.

The advantage is you could travel with a huge amount of cash via btc.  You would not need huge carry on's like you would with a massive amount of cash.

As far as changing it back to FIAT that is a little harder as you will need an exchange in your country.  In a perfect world you could one day use a bitcoin ATM.
legendary
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April 24, 2015, 11:00:53 AM
#12
They use it to make sure every bank has tons of information on us, every Bitcoin exchange needs to know all about us. It makes it harder to move your cash around, giving Bitcoin a huge advantage over holding dollars.

I am not sure that Bitcoin has a huge advantage over holding dollars. Because of the money laundering laws, converting bitcoins to fiat which can be readily used will be much tougher.
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