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legendary
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February 22, 2017, 02:11:28 PM
Almost any form of currency can be used for money laundering.  However, some forms are more efficient than others, some are quicker than others, and some are less transparent than others.  So, while bitcoin can be used to launder money....it is not the most efficient, nor the least transparent means to accomplish that task.  Cash for art....art to auction....is the biggest method of laundering money today

I don't quite understand how this method would work in practice

Do you mean to say that you try to sell something at an auction which purportedly has some historical value and then buy it yourself for a lot of cash through a straw man? Do you really know that this works in practice? As I see it, the auction houses should confirm that the item you are going to auction really has any such value (e.g. the Roman sword you are selling wasn't actually forged a few years ago and then artificially tarnished). So your method may not be quite feasible in real life

I've never considered laundering money in any form; however, this is how it "could" work: use cash to buy valuable artwork, sell valuable artwork at auction.  When the artwork (or other collectible) is submitted to auction, there is no reference to, nor record of, the price paid for the article because cash was used in its purchase but there is record of its selling price which can be reported.  Same with coins: purchase rare mint coin with cash, sell rare mint coin at auction....On the books, the coin was found in pocket change at face value, but sold at auction for rare mint collection value.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/arts/design/art-proves-attractive-refuge-for-money-launderers.html
hero member
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February 22, 2017, 11:46:45 AM
Is it possible to do money laundering via bitcoin? I mean as no one knows if you have bitcoin and how much bitcoin do you actually own, it could be used to convert black money to white right? Or at least store your black money without much hassle. But there is the risk of its value but I think for people who have lots of black money and don't want to be caught, this risk might be worth taking for them isn't it?
What are your thoughts?

Money laundering via btc is very much possible even those us buying and selling it could be intepreted to mean money laundering even though the volume is not much if government wants to go to the extreme in discouraging the use of bitcoin and its because money moves without declaration and thats exactly btc is all about. Also, one of the reasons for the clamp down on exchanges in China and other countries simply because of the issue of money laundering at least one valid reason they have got against bitcoin.
newbie
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February 22, 2017, 10:26:23 AM
You could launder it I would believe just keep it on the low as of any other thing suspicious you would do however personally I wouldn't go through with it but if you were to say down on your luck then yeah I guess you could try.
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February 22, 2017, 09:22:42 AM
I guess there were peole who uses btc for laundering because they always abuse the freedom of bitcoim through being anonymous accounts through the web. If these people continues to do illegal act I know time will come for them thay will be punishable by law, if you knew some of these people, you should report them to authorities. Money laundering through btc will bring bad reputation to bitcoin and most of the law abiding users will be much affected.
hero member
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February 22, 2017, 06:40:09 AM
Is it possible to do money laundering via bitcoin? I mean as no one knows if you have bitcoin and how much bitcoin do you actually own, it could be used to convert black money to white right? Or at least store your black money without much hassle. But there is the risk of its value but I think for people who have lots of black money and don't want to be caught, this risk might be worth taking for them isn't it?
What are your thoughts?

The majority of Bitcoin users are law-abiding people motivated by privacy concerns or just curiosity. But Bitcoin’s anonymity is also a powerful tool for financing crime: The virtual money can keep shady transactions secret. The paradox of cryptocurrency is that its associated data create a forensic trail that can suddenly make your entire financial history public information.
legendary
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February 22, 2017, 06:22:34 AM
Almost any form of currency can be used for money laundering.  However, some forms are more efficient than others, some are quicker than others, and some are less transparent than others.  So, while bitcoin can be used to launder money....it is not the most efficient, nor the least transparent means to accomplish that task.  Cash for art....art to auction....is the biggest method of laundering money today

I don't quite understand how this method would work in practice

Do you mean to say that you try to sell something at an auction which purportedly has some historical value and then buy it yourself for a lot of cash through a straw man? Do you really know that this works in practice? As I see it, the auction houses should confirm that the item you are going to auction really has any such value (e.g. the Roman sword you are selling wasn't actually forged a few years ago and then artificially tarnished). So your method may not be quite feasible in real life
hero member
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February 22, 2017, 06:10:48 AM
I would say it is not that easy to do as it was when it wasn't well known what bitcoin was and it's potential worth. Since it is rivaling gold's price now more and more people are gaining interest in knowing more about it.
So in hind sight there are a lot more agencies that are tackling the problem with money laundering because of it's popularity rising to new levels then before when it first came to be.
member
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February 22, 2017, 05:58:48 AM
Is it possible to do money laundering via bitcoin? I mean as no one knows if you have bitcoin and how much bitcoin do you actually own, it could be used to convert black money to white right? Or at least store your black money without much hassle. But there is the risk of its value but I think for people who have lots of black money and don't want to be caught, this risk might be worth taking for them isn't it?
What are your thoughts?
It is possible to launder money via Bitcoin, it is different than with cash.
But I think someone has found a way to do it.
legendary
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February 22, 2017, 04:02:26 AM
One thing to realize that illegal transactions is one of the main drivers of the price of Bitcoin. I have read several articles about that, that in the deep web or dark web the currency use for buying drugs is Bitcoin because of its security and how it can make its users remain anonymous. It doubled the price of Bitcoin twice from different versions of Silk Road.

The dark market traffic is down quite considerably, as per the ground reports. Most of the dark markets have closed down, and most of the remaining are not very reliable. Use the dark markets only at your own risk. Never give your personal information to anyone (including your address) as you may be ordering drugs from an undercover agent.
hero member
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February 22, 2017, 03:42:13 AM
Money laundering via btc is not a good idea and it brings bad image to digital currency if those bad doers will adopt bitcoin to their illegal activities. Morality of bitcoin will decrease and reputation wise will gain bad impact to those who are learning bitcoin as a good source of fianancial needs.This is punishable by law if anyone caught to be laundering money to any individuals.

Yup, that is certainly true. Because money laundry is very against the law, so that if a bitcoin used for money laundry then everything will give bad impact. It's not just the perpetrators of money laundry but bitcoin will surely receive the effects of their behaviour, because the bitcoin can only be taken by those who have the correct key. If the perpetrators of money laundry does not give the key it will be very difficult to take their money back to be entered into the State Treasury.

We will see a lot of those money laundering activity in bitcoin in the coming years, local government should start to create a guideline or regulate the use of bitcoin in their locality so it can be prevented from happening, or else, their own economy will be the one who will suffer great on those activities if those money launderers are corrupt public officials...  Smiley
As long as the regulations are not more strict than those imposed on cash for money laundering it wouldn't be the end of the world.
One thing to realize that illegal transactions is one of the main drivers of the price of Bitcoin. I have read several articles about that, that in the deep web or dark web the currency use for buying drugs is Bitcoin because of its security and how it can make its users remain anonymous. It doubled the price of Bitcoin twice from different versions of Silk Road.
legendary
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February 22, 2017, 02:31:34 AM
Money laundering via btc is not a good idea and it brings bad image to digital currency if those bad doers will adopt bitcoin to their illegal activities. Morality of bitcoin will decrease and reputation wise will gain bad impact to those who are learning bitcoin as a good source of fianancial needs.This is punishable by law if anyone caught to be laundering money to any individuals.

Yup, that is certainly true. Because money laundry is very against the law, so that if a bitcoin used for money laundry then everything will give bad impact. It's not just the perpetrators of money laundry but bitcoin will surely receive the effects of their behaviour, because the bitcoin can only be taken by those who have the correct key. If the perpetrators of money laundry does not give the key it will be very difficult to take their money back to be entered into the State Treasury.

We will see a lot of those money laundering activity in bitcoin in the coming years, local government should start to create a guideline or regulate the use of bitcoin in their locality so it can be prevented from happening, or else, their own economy will be the one who will suffer great on those activities if those money launderers are corrupt public officials...  Smiley
As long as the regulations are not more strict than those imposed on cash for money laundering it wouldn't be the end of the world.
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February 22, 2017, 02:26:29 AM
Money laundering via btc is not a good idea and it brings bad image to digital currency if those bad doers will adopt bitcoin to their illegal activities. Morality of bitcoin will decrease and reputation wise will gain bad impact to those who are learning bitcoin as a good source of fianancial needs.This is punishable by law if anyone caught to be laundering money to any individuals.

Yup, that is certainly true. Because money laundry is very against the law, so that if a bitcoin used for money laundry then everything will give bad impact. It's not just the perpetrators of money laundry but bitcoin will surely receive the effects of their behaviour, because the bitcoin can only be taken by those who have the correct key. If the perpetrators of money laundry does not give the key it will be very difficult to take their money back to be entered into the State Treasury.

We will see a lot of those money laundering activity in bitcoin in the coming years, local government should start to create a guideline or regulate the use of bitcoin in their locality so it can be prevented from happening, or else, their own economy will be the one who will suffer great on those activities if those money launderers are corrupt public officials...  Smiley
hero member
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February 22, 2017, 02:23:11 AM
Money laundering via btc is not a good idea and it brings bad image to digital currency if those bad doers will adopt bitcoin to their illegal activities. Morality of bitcoin will decrease and reputation wise will gain bad impact to those who are learning bitcoin as a good source of fianancial needs.This is punishable by law if anyone caught to be laundering money to any individuals.

Yup, that is certainly true. Because money laundry is very against the law, so that if a bitcoin used for money laundry then everything will give bad impact. It's not just the perpetrators of money laundry but bitcoin will surely receive the effects of their behaviour, because the bitcoin can only be taken by those who have the correct key. If the perpetrators of money laundry does not give the key it will be very difficult to take their money back to be entered into the State Treasury.
hero member
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February 21, 2017, 11:52:31 PM
I'm not sure people want to save their money in the bitcoin with in large numbers, as I know they would choose a safer bank as in Switzerland or Panama. Bitcoin very risky, so if down then it could go bankrupt.
The price of bitcoin is going better and it is because of the growing demand of bitcoin and this demand will continue to grow more higher so it is not good to think that the price of bitcoin will decrease so bitcoin is also a safe way to save bitcoins. The chances of money laundering is also not more than with fiat.
I think so. although there are few people using bitcoin, but not many. This is reasonable because bitcoin is very easy to transfer to all countries without going through a bank or a difficult process. most of the money laundering using bitcoin is the people who are in the deep web. this is not a negative side bitcoin, it depends users. bitcoin if not then they would do the same thing but in a different way.
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February 21, 2017, 09:07:18 PM
I'm not sure people want to save their money in the bitcoin with in large numbers, as I know they would choose a safer bank as in Switzerland or Panama. Bitcoin very risky, so if down then it could go bankrupt.
People strongly believe in bitcoin and they save their money in huge amounts in to bitcoin and they are sure that bitcoin will be more increase its price and they feel that just bitcoin is a great way to make a big profit from it because they save their money in huge amounts in to bitcoin.
Of course it's risky because it's not a typical type of savings unlike in bank where you money is very secured. When you save bitcoin you are risking your money as it might become worthless or lose it's value, thus we have to put only a certain portion of our savings to this investment. It offers great reward one should be willing to take the risk in order to have a chance for that reward which is profit.
FYI, banks are also use for money laundering and not only in bitcoin via exchanges..
hero member
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February 21, 2017, 04:36:51 PM
I'm not sure people want to save their money in the bitcoin with in large numbers, as I know they would choose a safer bank as in Switzerland or Panama. Bitcoin very risky, so if down then it could go bankrupt.
People strongly believe in bitcoin and they save their money in huge amounts in to bitcoin and they are sure that bitcoin will be more increase its price and they feel that just bitcoin is a great way to make a big profit from it because they save their money in huge amounts in to bitcoin.
hero member
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February 21, 2017, 04:03:43 PM
I'm not sure people want to save their money in the bitcoin with in large numbers, as I know they would choose a safer bank as in Switzerland or Panama. Bitcoin very risky, so if down then it could go bankrupt.
The price of bitcoin is going better and it is because of the growing demand of bitcoin and this demand will continue to grow more higher so it is not good to think that the price of bitcoin will decrease so bitcoin is also a safe way to save bitcoins. The chances of money laundering is also not more than with fiat.
legendary
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February 21, 2017, 03:52:17 PM
Almost any form of currency can be used for money laundering.  However, some forms are more efficient than others, some are quicker than others, and some are less transparent than others.  So, while bitcoin can be used to launder money....it is not the most efficient, nor the least transparent means to accomplish that task.  Cash for art....art to auction....is the biggest method of laundering money today.
It's too much of a hassle and danger to auction your with black money bought art to later end up with what you consider to be "clean" money.

If you look at how things in a regular economy go, you just start whatever business and fake sell your services or products where your black money after paying tax is as "clean" as it can get.

It happens a lot when it comes to restaurants and other places where you can have a snack or a pizza. It's quite simple and yet very effective. Since you are paying tax over your generated revenue, you won't be waking up sleeping dogs.

A piece of art discovered at a yardsale for fitty cents can bring quite the return at an auction....just saying.  A collection of art accumulated for free over a lifetime can generate even more....so can antiques, coin collections, and other items of such nature....Haven't you ever discovered a rare mint coin in your pocket change?  or, a forgotten masterpiece in your attic?  No book keeping required!
legendary
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February 21, 2017, 03:39:42 PM
Almost any form of currency can be used for money laundering.  However, some forms are more efficient than others, some are quicker than others, and some are less transparent than others.  So, while bitcoin can be used to launder money....it is not the most efficient, nor the least transparent means to accomplish that task.  Cash for art....art to auction....is the biggest method of laundering money today.
It's too much of a hassle and danger to auction your with black money bought art to later end up with what you consider to be "clean" money.

If you look at how things in a regular economy go, you just start whatever business and fake sell your services or products where your black money after paying tax is as "clean" as it can get.

It happens a lot when it comes to restaurants and other places where you can have a snack or a pizza. It's quite simple and yet very effective. Since you are paying tax over your generated revenue, you won't be waking up sleeping dogs.
legendary
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Merit: 1017
February 21, 2017, 03:22:45 PM
Almost any form of currency can be used for money laundering.  However, some forms are more efficient than others, some are quicker than others, and some are less transparent than others.  So, while bitcoin can be used to launder money....it is not the most efficient, nor the least transparent means to accomplish that task.  Cash for art....art to auction....is the biggest method of laundering money today.
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