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legendary
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January 12, 2017, 01:02:49 PM
It really depends, in today's day and age money laundering does NOT just mean cash -> bank account, you could have money in an offshore account that you need to move countries under the radar and then launder it in that country, in which case you could buy the bitcoins with that bank account, through them through a tumbler and wash them in the country of your pleasing.

As far as turning cash into bitcoins to launder, its much harder to do but definitely not impossible.

strictly and technically speaking, laundering simply means to remove any taint on an amount of funds(in any form) that comes from illegal activity.  this can mean cash to other cash, cash to bank and out again, it can simply mean dropping the load at a casino and turning the chips in hours or days later for new money, as long as the activity cannot be traced and the same "tainting" applied to the new funds

With bigger amounts it seems to be a lot more than that

Just making your money untraceable to their illegal source evidently won't suffice. If you drop by a casino and wash a few million dollars there (let's assume this activity won't raise suspicion itself), you may still have problems explaining to anti-money laundering agencies where all this pile of wealth comes from. It wouldn't even work out with cash since once you begin spending, this will inevitably attract attention of their preying eyes. So I guess you should not just hide the real origin of your hard-earned wealth but also provide a plausible (and verifiable) source of income that would add up to the amount you have managed to launder
hero member
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January 12, 2017, 12:36:02 PM
It really depends, in today's day and age money laundering does NOT just mean cash -> bank account, you could have money in an offshore account that you need to move countries under the radar and then launder it in that country, in which case you could buy the bitcoins with that bank account, through them through a tumbler and wash them in the country of your pleasing.

As far as turning cash into bitcoins to launder, its much harder to do but definitely not impossible.

strictly and technically speaking, laundering simply means to remove any taint on an amount of funds(in any form) that comes from illegal activity.  this can mean cash to other cash, cash to bank and out again, it can simply mean dropping the load at a casino and turning the chips in hours or days later for new money, as long as the activity cannot be traced and the same "tainting" applied to the new funds
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January 12, 2017, 12:19:03 PM
It really depends, in today's day and age money laundering does NOT just mean cash -> bank account, you could have money in an offshore account that you need to move countries under the radar and then launder it in that country, in which case you could buy the bitcoins with that bank account, through them through a tumbler and wash them in the country of your pleasing.

As far as turning cash into bitcoins to launder, its much harder to do but definitely not impossible.
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 09:50:24 AM
Yes, bitcoin is perfect to store black money and withdraw in few months or years which will give more benefit.
So that there are regulations about money laundering regards to bitcoin users such as occurred in some countries, recently on US and Europe.
Actually in some exchanges has rules about buy or sell bitcoin into fiat which limited to some amount everyday.

It depends on how you manage to convert your black money into Bitcoin. Black money is black money for a reason, so it will be difficult to wire it to an exchange where they nowadays have to know all your personal details in order to make use of their platform. Or they will allow you to make use of it, but will force you to verify yourself in order to be able to cash out your money or coins. Plus they have your details... It has to be through face to face transactions where you slowly or at once buy up plenty of coins. Negative aspect of this is that you don't know whether or not the person you are planning to buy coins from has wrong intentions. Another thing is that face to face transactions require you to pay a decent premium over the actual market rate, but that's mostly not a big deal for people looking to get rid of their black money

I don't know what exchanges you refer to but I know a few exchanges (e.g. btc-e, exmo) which allow anonymous withdrawals of fiat to a multitude of payment processors such as Yandex.Money, AdvCash, OKpay, Capitalist, etc, as well as to anonymous plastic cards (i.e. with no name imprinted on them). I don't know about other services but, for example, from Yandex.Money you can pay your bills and make purchases in Internet (though this is a shitty service overall). So, it is more about the amount of money you are going to withdraw that would matter in this case, i.e. not whether you are identified...

If you withdraw small amounts and not very often, no one will require you to provide the details of your identity
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January 12, 2017, 07:34:47 AM
Yes, when you use bitcoin to pay or transfer money to somebody, generally bitcoin transaction it is very difficult to track somebody who uses it. there are many people who have committed money laundering by using bitcoin because it is not controlled by the government.

Yes, it's a great way.
I think it's interesting, perhaps more people will make bitcoin as a means of money laundering. If there is suspicion of State, surely this is very dangerous, the ban will be more massive bitcoin.
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January 12, 2017, 07:32:10 AM
Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous, so it's not ideal to hide "black" money in a technology that can be traced back to the person hiding that money. There are other Alt coins with full anonymity more suited for that purpose. Even if you use mixer services with Bitcoin, the authorities can still subpoena these services to release the data, and then you will have to give a explanation for that money. ^hmmmm^

So why HAshocean owners was not found yet, after thousands and thousands on Police claims FBI, Interpol . . private compannys hiring.... huum ? Why ? more then 200 Millions Dollars in BItcoin runned away . .
Why people talks so much about Silk Road, GM TOX or what ever its name, and other bitcoins robbers and scams, but not on this 200 millions dollars Bitcoin runaway ? IS not 200 Millions dollars enought to inspire private investigators to find them ?  Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 06:41:44 AM
Yes, bitcoin is perfect to store black money and withdraw in few months or years which will give more benefit.
So that there are regulations about money laundering regards to bitcoin users such as occurred in some countries, recently on US and Europe.
Actually in some exchanges has rules about buy or sell bitcoin into fiat which limited to some amount everyday.

It depends on how you manage to convert your black money into Bitcoin. Black money is black money for a reason, so it will be difficult to wire it to an exchange where they nowadays have to know all your personal details in order to make use of their platform. Or they will allow you to make use of it, but will force you to verify yourself in order to be able to cash out your money or coins. Plus they have your details... It has to be through face to face transactions where you slowly or at once buy up plenty of coins. Negative aspect of this is that you don't know whether or not the person you are planning to buy coins from has wrong intentions. Another thing is that face to face transactions require you to pay a decent premium over the actual market rate, but that's mostly not a big deal for people looking to get rid of their black money.
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 05:46:06 AM
can be washed with bitcoin money, and it was very easy for me, and if when launder money should know the right time, because bitcoin has a value which is very fast for a ride, and down
You are right. This is the other side's weakness if it is anonymous, but I think it is also a high risk, because of fluctuating price bitcoin is certainly very risky if saving money on bitcoin, surely they would think repeatedly to take risk if prices fall. In my opinion, this is not to worry about it because I'm sure bitcoin is not a place for money laundering.
i guess not with the launderer since it is the easiest way to send their money without a trace they will use any resources even the price fluctautes they will not be bother of that the only matter to them is just to move away together with their money and bitcoin for me is the best choice for this type of people, bitcoin is also a currency so in which ways it can be converted as a fiat in anyhow.
hero member
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January 12, 2017, 05:42:16 AM
Is it possible to do money laundering via bitcoin? I mean as no one knows if you have bitcoin and how much bitcoin do you actually own, it could be used to convert black money to white right? Or at least store your black money without much hassle. But there is the risk of its value but I think for people who have lots of black money and don't want to be caught, this risk might be worth taking for them isn't it?
What are your thoughts?

Yes, bitcoin is perfect to store black money and withdraw in few months or years which will give more benefit.
So that there are regulations about money laundering regards to bitcoin users such as occurred in some countries, recently on US and Europe.
Actually in some exchanges has rules about buy or sell bitcoin into fiat which limited to some amount everyday.
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 05:29:36 AM
Yes, when you use bitcoin to pay or transfer money to somebody, generally bitcoin transaction it is very difficult to track somebody who uses it. there are many people who have committed money laundering by using bitcoin because it is not controlled by the government.

I can see that you are still a newbie to all this so it is an easy mistake for people to believe that bitcoin transactions are hard to trace but in reality they are very easy for anyone to trace due to the way the blockchain works, everyone can see any transaction happening on the bitcoin network at anytime, it's a transparent network.
Now that's not to say that money laundering doesn't exist within bitcoin because it does but i am sure you will find more within any fiat money network.
hero member
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January 12, 2017, 05:24:08 AM
I think that Bitcoin was originally created with the primary purpose of money laundering, it was created to limit the impact of economic crisis
As you say, we can launder money with Bitcoin
but now, in some countries, the government has implemented policies to manage this virtual currency
it makes me really worry about the future of Bitcoin
You are wrong since satoshi didnt create bitcoin for the purpose of money laundering and reading on the white paper this is just created for fast peer 2 peer transaction without 3rd party involve but still its features can be really used on money laundering because of its anonymity and lots of bitcoin users use this advantage.
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January 12, 2017, 05:19:22 AM
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Yes, when you use bitcoin to pay or transfer money to somebody, generally bitcoin transaction it is very difficult to track somebody who uses it. there are many people who have committed money laundering by using bitcoin because it is not controlled by the government.
newbie
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January 12, 2017, 05:09:02 AM
#98
I think that Bitcoin was originally created with the primary purpose of money laundering, it was created to limit the impact of economic crisis
As you say, we can launder money with Bitcoin
but now, in some countries, the government has implemented policies to manage this virtual currency
it makes me really worry about the future of Bitcoin
sr. member
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January 12, 2017, 04:51:48 AM
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can be washed with bitcoin money, and it was very easy for me, and if when launder money should know the right time, because bitcoin has a value which is very fast for a ride, and down
You are right. This is the other side's weakness if it is anonymous, but I think it is also a high risk, because of fluctuating price bitcoin is certainly very risky if saving money on bitcoin, surely they would think repeatedly to take risk if prices fall. In my opinion, this is not to worry about it because I'm sure bitcoin is not a place for money laundering.
Yes, of course . but if washing with brain and use some cryptoccurency highly confidential, then a double victory in the hands :-)
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January 12, 2017, 04:42:27 AM
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can be washed with bitcoin money, and it was very easy for me, and if when launder money should know the right time, because bitcoin has a value which is very fast for a ride, and down
You are right. This is the other side's weakness if it is anonymous, but I think it is also a high risk, because of fluctuating price bitcoin is certainly very risky if saving money on bitcoin, surely they would think repeatedly to take risk if prices fall. In my opinion, this is not to worry about it because I'm sure bitcoin is not a place for money laundering.
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January 12, 2017, 04:36:16 AM
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That's why Isis use bitcoin for their funds transactions (source news). Bitcoin is an anonymous types of transactions. Bitcoin got popular by the darknet transactions where the gambler, drugs seller, and anythings about black money stand. They use bitcoin to hide the bank noted and government taxes.
Bitcoin is a good way to do money laundering, and that's a weakness.
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January 12, 2017, 04:21:42 AM
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can be washed with bitcoin money, and it was very easy for me, and if when launder money should know the right time, because bitcoin has a value which is very fast for a ride, and down
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 04:04:23 AM
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Is it possible to do money laundering via bitcoin? I mean as no one knows if you have bitcoin and how much bitcoin do you actually own, it could be used to convert black money to white right? Or at least store your black money without much hassle. But there is the risk of its value but I think for people who have lots of black money and don't want to be caught, this risk might be worth taking for them isn't it?
What are your thoughts?

Yes actually there are people that has been doing laundering with bitcoin. In fact, here in my country the central bank advises not to use bitcoin.

Because they found out that many of my countrymen are using it to launder money and there was a case that someone laundered almost $70 million money from Bangladesh bank.

I think most of the people in the dark net are doing this most of the time.
What country are you living? I don't believe that a government would advise its people not to use bitcoin, otherwise they will just simply ban it, end of story. Bitcoin is not a threat if they have a strong control to combat anti money laundering act, bitcoin is freedom and you cannot take that opportunity from the people. I'll tell you, I will be the first one to oppose to any government that would advise not to use bitcoin.

Haven't you know what did Russia before about bitcoin? They did really banned bitcoin by that time, but suddenly they have removed the ban

Don't spread misinformation

Bitcoin has never been banned in Russia. There have been massive amounts of threats about criminalizing Bitcoin use and its users in the future (just around the corner), but that was basically much ado about nothing. These threats were mostly from the Ministry of Finance and their primary aim was to not get involved with possible Bitcoin taxation. The latter would make the Tax Service of Russia (which is an integral part of that ministry) go after bitcoiners which would be an exercise in futility, stupidity and hilarity   
legendary
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January 12, 2017, 01:09:06 AM
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Mixing their blood money to the funds of their legit business seem a bit easy to do than learning all these blockchain technology just to launder.  But very doable though.

If they are like us who already learned btc, they could be using bitcoin to launder.
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January 12, 2017, 01:00:51 AM
#91
Is it possible to do money laundering via bitcoin? I mean as no one knows if you have bitcoin and how much bitcoin do you actually own, it could be used to convert black money to white right? Or at least store your black money without much hassle. But there is the risk of its value but I think for people who have lots of black money and don't want to be caught, this risk might be worth taking for them isn't it?
What are your thoughts?

Money laundry via bitcoin is really possible, because it's really easy and fast. You even can use service like bitcoin mixer websites. I'm sure many smart criminals will use bitcoin for laundering their money.
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