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October 06, 2024, 01:17:11 PM
Money is actually not the root of evil, I agree with you on your view that a person's value in society is now a function of how much is in your bank account this is so because over time money has been worshipped and taken over the place of God, because the value that has been given to money by society is too much that is like if you don't have money is like you don't even exist
Are you trying to contradict what the Bible have said  or bringing it in your own way? Money is the root of all evil because the word "root" means foundation. We all want to make money but their are some people that would not mind doing illegal things just to make sure that there is money in their hands. Their are people that don't want to work but want to be making money which is obvious that such kind of person can go extra miles to ensure they make money. This is where the evil aspect comes in. Due to the high level of inflation in various countries, it has lured many people to think of scamming others just to make this money and buy properties and lots of cars living a luxury lifestyles.
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October 06, 2024, 12:05:46 PM
It is not wrong about what you said about the point of poverty and also the point of becoming rich, because in my own area the poor people are people who do not have a job that is so decent so they do not have a stable income in their own lives. In addition, those who are still poor also have shortcomings in creating new things to attract everyone even though they have the opportunity to do so. However, because they also have limitations in terms of the knowledge they have, their time and opportunities also become useless so they have to continue to work hard with their own physical abilities without caring about other things they can achieve.

Yes, you are right and it is a fact that things are that way , sometimes the capabilities of people can make them even poorer , a person who has a lot of wealth can use it to get better Opportunities , what happens is that in most countries to be able to study you have to have a lot of money, there are countries that Allow free education, therefore that is what you have to see and Understand , in a country that offers you free education there are no excuses for Poor People , because if you are poor it is because you are lazy and you do not like to Work , but if you have Opportunities to get ahead by working it is something that should be done.


The opportunities that rich people have are more open compared to the opportunities that poor people have, I think there will be differences of opinion from some people, but that is my view. I will explain why I dare to say that.
The opportunities for rich people are more open, one of the reasons is capital. When they build a business, they don't have to be confused about looking for capital because they already have it, and even when they fail they will get up faster because they have reserve capital to allow them to start over again.
While poor people can't do that, they have to collect capital first and that might take time. The bigger problem is when they have to feel failure, they won't be able to get up quickly because they don't have reserve capital, and it might take a long time for them to try again.
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October 06, 2024, 11:32:55 AM
Money as root of evil and root of fear.
Maybe it's better If our goverments will just provide us food and housing and we rather own nothing at least we don't need to worry about getting more money more more more ....i think even those wealthy people are tired of chasing money together with other people in society.

The fear that money is finish all the time could be the reason why we live in very stressful and depresive world.
We can say that that's way how it is but we haven't tried different ways.

Even tho you working at the Job the goverment should always guarantee for you no matter what you have food and housing what ever you work yourself that's for extra.
I belive it's all possible with AI and with more automated world when robots can produce a lot things cheaper and way faster then human workers.

Right now the person value in society is based on how wealthy they are and what they own and how much that costs what they own.

Instead of that the fair system will be judging person value by the merits of the person doing in society not just how wealthy they are or how good they are to take from others with super greed but instead of this how much they give to others in terms of their skills talents and knowledge.

So If robots and ai machines coming then it could be possible that goverments can support us fully no matter what right now there is too much money chasing by everybody and person don't put his energy nowhere else then just chasing the money it's like the shadow you never catch that If goverment become on full aid for people then many people can live without that fear that they not getting enough money and people can focus on their talents skills energy and time to be more creative and useful for society instead of just chasing the money.
Maybe it's even ban money for indviduals and instead of money you get "tokens for food travel and clothing "
Im sure If we eliminate use of money people will be less evil and more happy also the fact that you own something and i don't own it's unfair and If your life is better by luck that you had maybe some wealthy parents so you live better life that's unfair and it's not based on person own merits in society....maybe it's better If nobody owns nothing or If they own that would very very exdronary case

This is a trope that has been around for a long time, there is an element of truth to it but it passes the buck of blame from the actual people who are doing the deeds. Money is a tool that can allow bad people, or even corrupt good people, but it's a necessary method of trade that needs to exist. The alternative would be everyone trading what individual goods they produce - one person might make nails, another might be a tomato farmer, but that is a terrible inefficient system of barter that simply does not work in a world with billions of people. Blaming notes and coins for the actions of people is a cop out, a way of absolving blame on an inanimate object, that should not be continued.
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October 03, 2024, 10:13:54 PM
I dont think money is the root of all evil. It's more about how people choose to use it. Sure, some people do bad stuff for money like crimes, stealing, killing others, but that's on them, not the money itself. It is the person that is doing those stuffs who is evil. There are tons of people who use their wealth to help others and make the world a better place. Money can be used  for good if you let it. Blaming money is kinda missing the point - it's really all about personal choices and morals. Plus, without money, how would we trade or get things done?

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Right now the person value in society is based on how wealthy they are and what they own and how much that costs what they own.

Instead of that the fair system will be judging person value by the merits of the person doing in society not just how wealthy they are or how good they are to take from others with super greed but instead of this how much they give to others in terms of their skills talents and knowledge.
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I guess then you are living in the wrong society. You should start looking for new friends that wont judge you by your wealth.
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October 03, 2024, 08:00:48 PM
It is not wrong about what you said about the point of poverty and also the point of becoming rich, because in my own area the poor people are people who do not have a job that is so decent so they do not have a stable income in their own lives. In addition, those who are still poor also have shortcomings in creating new things to attract everyone even though they have the opportunity to do so. However, because they also have limitations in terms of the knowledge they have, their time and opportunities also become useless so they have to continue to work hard with their own physical abilities without caring about other things they can achieve.

Yes, you are right and it is a fact that things are that way , sometimes the capabilities of people can make them even poorer , a person who has a lot of wealth can use it to get better Opportunities , what happens is that in most countries to be able to study you have to have a lot of money, there are countries that Allow free education, therefore that is what you have to see and Understand , in a country that offers you free education there are no excuses for Poor People , because if you are poor it is because you are lazy and you do not like to Work , but if you have Opportunities to get ahead by working it is something that should be done.

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October 03, 2024, 06:16:49 PM
Being greed is, money is a tool and the misuse of it leads to destruction and other evil things as you've mentioned OP.

This is not different from people that keeps on justifying that money can't buy happiness. We're already on the 21st century and there's still some debates about it.

One can have money in illegal ways, do we say such person is a person of good value.  Some people can be wealthy but still be stupid and their lifestyle is affecting the society negatively. Value shouldn't be base on money but what impact is one adding to the society both in characters and to the development in the society.
I like the latter part that you've said. It's about the value of people that doesn't comes from money. But it's hard to get into this principle nowadays where everyone is only looking after the money.

Well, it's all about the love of money that makes people greedy and the social values that they have changes because they think that everyone, everything can be bought with money.
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October 03, 2024, 05:38:57 PM
When money becomes the ultimate thing, it distorts one's sense of reasoning. No doubt it presumably good to have money but another vital thing is knowing how bear to spend the money. MONEY on its own has a different spirit that comes with it, some people are naturally greedy, full of all kinds of deceits and can died all because of money.
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October 03, 2024, 04:51:15 PM
because in poverty, work becomes a determining factor for someone to progress or retreat, because this situation becomes a certain motivation, which is closely related to a person's survival depending on how the individual assesses it, and each person has their own thoughts about the solution to their own way out.

Yes, but you have to look at it from a very good point of view , because even if we are Millionaires we should feel Useful and the best way is to work , you should work hard for everything , I have read books where they say that if you work and you like what you do you are happy, but if you work only for money you are not happy and how much reason there is there, I remember reading an article a long time ago where the Swiss proposed to them not to work Anymore because they simply did not need it , and they flatly refused, I think that in life we ​​should give the position to the job that it is , so that what is done is valued, what I do not Agree with is that People are exploited and paid Little , which is the most Common thing.
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October 03, 2024, 09:14:29 AM
Money is actually not the root of evil, I agree with you on your view that a person's value in society is now a function of how much is in your bank account this is so because over time money has been worshipped and taken over the place of God, because the value that has been given to money by society is too much that is like if you don't have money is like you don't even exist
If money is what is being use for people to value in the society that means we have missed what value is supposed to be in the society, that means people will do anything for money just to get value in the society. Money shouldn't be what brings value to people,  the real thing that is suppose to give people value is the characters they exhibit, if it is what the society needs and if it is affecting the society positively.

One can have money in illegal ways, do we say such person is a person of good value.  Some people can be wealthy but still be stupid and their lifestyle is affecting the society negatively. Value shouldn't be base on money but what impact is one adding to the society both in characters and to the development in the society.
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October 03, 2024, 05:23:44 AM
For that reason I say that poverty is mental, it is not about what or what they want to be poor, poverty is something that besieges, in some cases it is due to a lack of opportunities, in a country where there are people who have studied have the potential to contribute and do not have the opportunities that is another thing, that they are poor only because of that, even so they point out what they can do, then poverty is something that besieges but it is coupled with the lack of motivation and inventiveness for work, because in most cases there is work, they just don't take it, for me the way out of poverty will always be work.
It is not wrong about what you said about the point of poverty and also the point of becoming rich, because in my own area the poor people are people who do not have a job that is so decent so they do not have a stable income in their own lives. In addition, those who are still poor also have shortcomings in creating new things to attract everyone even though they have the opportunity to do so. However, because they also have limitations in terms of the knowledge they have, their time and opportunities also become useless so they have to continue to work hard with their own physical abilities without caring about other things they can achieve.
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October 01, 2024, 06:47:27 PM
Money is actually not the root of evil, I agree with you on your view that a person's value in society is now a function of how much is in your bank account this is so because over time money has been worshipped and taken over the place of God, because the value that has been given to money by society is too much that is like if you don't have money is like you don't even exist

As we put it this way, we really need money to survive in this life. We may not aim for riches but hard to get by your everyday survival without money. But if you are a person who is contented for what you have, so long you are living a decent life, you won't aim for luxurious life. Because that's when you will start having financial troubles because you have other material things to acquire, hence, you go to the extent of incurring debts from others or your credit cards.

When you have experienced hardships in life, you will understood the meaning of simple life. You will just aim to have peace of mind, no debt from anyone and just go thru your everyday life without bothering anyone. You don't need to brag anymore about your status as you are already at peace with yourself.
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October 01, 2024, 04:58:33 PM

For that reason I say that poverty is mental, it is not about what or what they want to be poor, poverty is something that besieges, in some cases it is due to a lack of opportunities, in a country where there are people who have studied have the potential to contribute and do not have the opportunities that is another thing, that they are poor only because of that, even so they point out what they can do, then poverty is something that besieges but it is coupled with the lack of motivation and inventiveness for work, because in most cases there is work, they just don't take it, for me the way out of poverty will always be work.


because in poverty, work becomes a determining factor for someone to progress or retreat, because this situation becomes a certain motivation, which is closely related to a person's survival depending on how the individual assesses it, and each person has their own thoughts about the solution to their own way out.

And this is where you could really be able to distinguish into those individuals who do have plans in compared into those people who dont really just that dont care about into their situation and really just that contented on what they do have or experiencing now. Its not bad on having that contentment specially on your lfie status or living but its not also that bad on taking up some considerations on trying out to enhance yourself
the way of living and the current status you do have. As long you are making things legally and ethically then i dont see any problems in regarding to this. It will really be just that normal that you would really be taking up such steps for you to at least on making your life status to be better. It will really be best that you should really be knowing at least on the things that you are involving with and the decisions made on.

Money is the root of evil? No its not. The real evil on here is into those people who do have that bad intents on doing something unethical or simply which is really that against or simply violations or crimes
and since they do have the money then they could really do everything that they do want. So it does simply implies that it is really just that a tool that being used by a certain individual.
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October 01, 2024, 03:33:39 PM
Money is actually not the root of evil, I agree with you on your view that a person's value in society is now a function of how much is in your bank account this is so because over time money has been worshipped and taken over the place of God, because the value that has been given to money by society is too much that is like if you don't have money is like you don't even exist
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September 29, 2024, 09:59:06 PM

This happens because humans are starting to lose empathy and a sense of social humanity and today's life no longer sees the value of humanity. Rich people easily order poor people when they need help because maybe they can give money when asking for help. But poor people have nothing to give so asking for help from others is impossible to do. Today's life seems to have lost its direction, where the rich are having it easier and the poor are increasingly oppressed because no one cares.

In the past, when we held any event, people would come together to help, but now people will choose to help. This happens almost everywhere and even social life is increasingly lost, especially for those who live in urban areas where everything must be paid for. This problem will make it even more difficult for the poor because they cannot afford to pay when asking for certain assistance.


if social problems are ignored, and the effects that will be caused by the poor will have difficulty in living it because there is no help, unlike the rich they find it easy to do all that, and the problem will be found in densely populated areas where the social level is reduced, and which is different from rural areas that still implement it.
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September 29, 2024, 06:02:12 PM

For that reason I say that poverty is mental, it is not about what or what they want to be poor, poverty is something that besieges, in some cases it is due to a lack of opportunities, in a country where there are people who have studied have the potential to contribute and do not have the opportunities that is another thing, that they are poor only because of that, even so they point out what they can do, then poverty is something that besieges but it is coupled with the lack of motivation and inventiveness for work, because in most cases there is work, they just don't take it, for me the way out of poverty will always be work.


because in poverty, work becomes a determining factor for someone to progress or retreat, because this situation becomes a certain motivation, which is closely related to a person's survival depending on how the individual assesses it, and each person has their own thoughts about the solution to their own way out.
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September 28, 2024, 05:12:45 PM
While poor people only show sadness so that they can always get pity from others so that those who are still poor will certainly find it harder to do evil even though at this time there are also some poor people who are desperate to do evil in order to eat. But not all poor people will dare to do evil like people who have power and money in their lives.
For that reason I say that poverty is mental, it is not about what or what they want to be poor, poverty is something that besieges, in some cases it is due to a lack of opportunities, in a country where there are people who have studied have the potential to contribute and do not have the opportunities that is another thing, that they are poor only because of that, even so they point out what they can do, then poverty is something that besieges but it is coupled with the lack of motivation and inventiveness for work, because in most cases there is work, they just don't take it, for me the way out of poverty will always be work.
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September 28, 2024, 09:20:35 AM
That's the point mate, it's who's in possession of the money that we have to blame with whatever wickedness he decides to perpetrate and not to say it's due to the money he has, because there are people that has so much than that very person but they chose to use theirs in touching the lives of people positively and making good name for themselves. There has never been a time money has been bad to own whether in excess or moderate but what you make of it is your responsibility.
Users of any tool do have a responsibility for what they do and that certainly includes people who use money. Because I have also witnessed many people who make their good names by relying on money by helping others and by making something useful for many others so that what he produces is also something very worthy because it leads to goodness for himself. While people who like to commit crimes by relying on money will also receive something that is quite equivalent in their lives and that is a law that will never be exchanged.

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Yea poor people are known to show appearances of pity but there are some among them that don't let their poverty take away their pride and dignity for any random rich dude to trample on them because they need helping as poor people. And those are the kind of poor fellows I admire, and I think they are the kind of poor people that don't let the rich people use them as tool to carryout their illegalities in return for money.. what I see is that poverty or being rich is a thing of mindset first before money itself.
I also like poor people who can live independently without relying on the rich people beside them because those who are able to do so are people who do not want their self-esteem to be low in front of the rich or people who really maintain their own dignity without having to depend on any rich person. But we also cannot deny that poor people are people who need a helping hand from generous rich people and from people who like to help without expecting anything in return.
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September 28, 2024, 02:04:24 AM
Nowadays most people will really care about those who have a lot of their wealth and that's right as you said, most people will very easily agree with any advice given by them because they have a lot of wealth and related to the sense of humanity today has slowly disappeared, it is possible that it is because most people today are very difficult to find a job that gives them income so that They will be more concerned in helping the rich because they think that there will be a reward after they help them and this has made people who have a little wealth no one wants to help them because they will not have any reward after helping them.
This happens because humans are starting to lose empathy and a sense of social humanity and today's life no longer sees the value of humanity. Rich people easily order poor people when they need help because maybe they can give money when asking for help. But poor people have nothing to give so asking for help from others is impossible to do. Today's life seems to have lost its direction, where the rich are having it easier and the poor are increasingly oppressed because no one cares.

In the past, when we held any event, people would come together to help, but now people will choose to help. This happens almost everywhere and even social life is increasingly lost, especially for those who live in urban areas where everything must be paid for. This problem will make it even more difficult for the poor because they cannot afford to pay when asking for certain assistance.
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September 26, 2024, 04:32:28 PM
Its not money that is bad it is people that are bad and they get to use money to want to cover their evil. Money is just a tool with purchasing power and just like any other valuable tool whatever you chose to do with it that's what you will get in return.

It is said that if you want to know the true character of any man give him power in other words give him possession of so much money and see him manifest his real attitude that have been lying dormant due to poverty. Some people are inherently wicked but they just needed to have money to manifest it.  While other just like involving in evil things so they use their lack of money as excuse to perpetrate evil.

Everyone always has a certain reason when they want to do something including when they want to do good things with money and also evil things using their own money. This means that in this kind of thing, the one who should be blamed is the owner of the money because it is a human being who can move money wherever he likes for various reasons. I also quite agree with what you said that everyone will show their true character when they have power and also have a lot of money in their life.

While poor people only show sadness so that they can always get pity from others so that those who are still poor will certainly find it harder to do evil even though at this time there are also some poor people who are desperate to do evil in order to eat. But not all poor people will dare to do evil like people who have power and money in their lives.
That's the point mate, it's who's in possession of the money that we have to blame with whatever wickedness he decides to perpetrate and not to say it's due to the money he has, because there are people that has so much than that very person but they chose to use theirs in touching the lives of people positively and making good name for themselves. There has never been a time money has been bad to own whether in excess or moderate but what you make of it is your responsibility.

Yea poor people are known to show appearances of pity but there are some among them that don't let their poverty take away their pride and dignity for any random rich dude to trample on them because they need helping as poor people. And those are the kind of poor fellows I admire, and I think they are the kind of poor people that don't let the rich people use them as tool to carryout their illegalities in return for money.. what I see is that poverty or being rich is a thing of mindset first before money itself.
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September 26, 2024, 10:23:44 AM
Its not money that is bad it is people that are bad and they get to use money to want to cover their evil. Money is just a tool with purchasing power and just like any other valuable tool whatever you chose to do with it that's what you will get in return.

It is said that if you want to know the true character of any man give him power in other words give him possession of so much money and see him manifest his real attitude that have been lying dormant due to poverty. Some people are inherently wicked but they just needed to have money to manifest it.  While other just like involving in evil things so they use their lack of money as excuse to perpetrate evil.

Everyone always has a certain reason when they want to do something including when they want to do good things with money and also evil things using their own money. This means that in this kind of thing, the one who should be blamed is the owner of the money because it is a human being who can move money wherever he likes for various reasons. I also quite agree with what you said that everyone will show their true character when they have power and also have a lot of money in their life.

While poor people only show sadness so that they can always get pity from others so that those who are still poor will certainly find it harder to do evil even though at this time there are also some poor people who are desperate to do evil in order to eat. But not all poor people will dare to do evil like people who have power and money in their lives.
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