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legendary
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If I understand this correctly Ryan.... you created a more secure place {Vault} to store coins, used on APPs and services linked to it, in a central location?

Did you do this, due to the lack of security you might have had, with the funds you kept at the old "MoneyPot" game? and you expanded this service to incorporate future projects and also willing partners with their Apps and services to keep it funded?

I am in the process to test it out for myself and will give my feedback and comments soon.  Wink


In short, ryan is making this as a gambling bitcoin wallet . the different than the ordinary wallet is that, the funds can be only use in a sites that has intergrated with the vault.
Not that the old "moenypot" got some security issue, but mainly because ryan wanted to created a system which will protect the player from a mailicious or unfair sites, since every sites that intergrated with the vault will be provably fair, otherwise if they cheat, you can know it directly

What do you mean by funds only can be used on sites that have integrated the vault? How does the vault know which addresses come from which gambling sites? Does it use API?

let me rephrase it once more

your funds in there can be used as a usual transaction to someone else or another sites
By actually mentioning another sites is that the sites which is not integrated with the vault

In easy words,

A is opening a dice sites and promote it here in bitcointalk, since it is a new sites, no one trust the sites with their deposits.
A then considering to intergrate the sites with the vault.
The benefit will be that A's dice sites is proven to be provably fair, since the vault will notify that if a site is not provably fair and also the your funds will never be on the possesion of A unless you lose them.

Well This is how the system on the vault is, at least it is what I think it is

for better explanation, see up dooglus post about this

As I understand it, one of the selling points of MoneyPot is that the gambling sites you deposit to using it never get access to the coins you deposit unless you lose them, and so players don't need to trust new gambling sites which use MoneyPot, they only need to trust you. As the player loses coins on a MoneyPot-linked gambling site the player's balance (at MoneyPot) is debited and the site's balance (at MoneyPot) is credited. To get their coins the gambling site requests a withdrawal from their MoneyPot account.

legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 1036
If I understand this correctly Ryan.... you created a more secure place {Vault} to store coins, used on APPs and services linked to it, in a central location?

Did you do this, due to the lack of security you might have had, with the funds you kept at the old "MoneyPot" game? and you expanded this service to incorporate future projects and also willing partners with their Apps and services to keep it funded?

I am in the process to test it out for myself and will give my feedback and comments soon.  Wink


In short, ryan is making this as a gambling bitcoin wallet . the different than the ordinary wallet is that, the funds can be only use in a sites that has intergrated with the vault.
Not that the old "moenypot" got some security issue, but mainly because ryan wanted to created a system which will protect the player from a mailicious or unfair sites, since every sites that intergrated with the vault will be provably fair, otherwise if they cheat, you can know it directly

What do you mean by funds only can be used on sites that have integrated the vault? How does the vault know which addresses come from which gambling sites? Does it use API?
legendary
Activity: 2562
Merit: 1414
If I understand this correctly Ryan.... you created a more secure place {Vault} to store coins, used on APPs and services linked to it, in a central location?

Did you do this, due to the lack of security you might have had, with the funds you kept at the old "MoneyPot" game? and you expanded this service to incorporate future projects and also willing partners with their Apps and services to keep it funded?

I am in the process to test it out for myself and will give my feedback and comments soon.  Wink


In short, ryan is making this as a gambling bitcoin wallet . the different than the ordinary wallet is that, the funds can be only use in a sites that has intergrated with the vault.
Not that the old "moenypot" got some security issue, but mainly because ryan wanted to created a system which will protect the player from a mailicious or unfair sites, since every sites that intergrated with the vault will be provably fair, otherwise if they cheat, you can know it directly
jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 3
Hey, very nice. I'm looking forward to the apps that will be supported!  Cheesy
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
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it looks that the added value of your online wallet is the ability of moving bitcoin between apps.
But I can't finally understand the concept of apps, which apps do you refer to? you mean gambling sites like bustabit? Explain details, please

There's a few benefit's of using vault, but that's a big one. Right now the only MoneyPot.com app, is dustdice.com If you play there it should be more obvious how it works, and the idea is we're going to support more and more apps, making it easy to play with them

Can you pls add 8ball pool game to your apps if it is possible? That will definitely attract more players to your site
hero member
Activity: 854
Merit: 1000
it looks that the added value of your online wallet is the ability of moving bitcoin between apps.
But I can't finally understand the concept of apps, which apps do you refer to? you mean gambling sites like bustabit? Explain details, please

There's a few benefit's of using vault, but that's a big one. Right now the only MoneyPot.com app, is dustdice.com If you play there it should be more obvious how it works, and the idea is we're going to support more and more apps, making it easy to play with them
I think the idea is interesting but you need more apps support to make it attractive. With work you will reach a good success
What type of apps are you planning to support?
twn
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1011
Its preety cool. But it looks like little bit xapo.
Whats the exact difference between you and xapo? Thanks
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1074
If I understand this correctly Ryan.... you created a more secure place {Vault} to store coins, used on APPs and services linked to it, in a central location?

Did you do this, due to the lack of security you might have had, with the funds you kept at the old "MoneyPot" game? and you expanded this service to incorporate future projects and also willing partners with their Apps and services to keep it funded?

I am in the process to test it out for myself and will give my feedback and comments soon.  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1463
Merit: 1886
it looks that the added value of your online wallet is the ability of moving bitcoin between apps.
But I can't finally understand the concept of apps, which apps do you refer to? you mean gambling sites like bustabit? Explain details, please

There's a few benefit's of using vault, but that's a big one. Right now the only MoneyPot.com app, is dustdice.com If you play there it should be more obvious how it works, and the idea is we're going to support more and more apps, making it easy to play with them
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 503
it looks that the added value of your online wallet is the ability of moving bitcoin between apps.
But I can't finally understand the concept of apps, which apps do you refer to? you mean gambling sites like bustabit? Explain details, please
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
Deposited some Bits!! lets see the investments loving this though. would of liked the name for the game to stay the same and the vault a new name.

but damn looks Grin great!!
legendary
Activity: 1463
Merit: 1886
To demonstrate solvency, Vault provides a proof of liabilities.

Shouldn't you prove you own the assets to demonstrate the solvency. Proving you have liabilities and owe other people bitcoins doesn't mean you are solvent.

See the FAQ, where we sign an address that contains more than the total liabilities of the site to demonstrate solvency =)
sr. member
Activity: 616
Merit: 250
To demonstrate solvency, Vault provides a proof of liabilities.

Shouldn't you prove you own the assets to demonstrate the solvency. Proving you have liabilities and owe other people bitcoins doesn't mean you are solvent.
full member
Activity: 120
Merit: 100
nice site and smooth load Wink
please add autobet  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1074
Congrats Ryan ... I have a lot of reading to do, and can now see, why some coding could not be done quicker on features asked by the players on the old MoneyPot. {Keyboard hotkey for Payout and tipping in the game}

Hope your security is 100% covered... A vault is always a target.  Wink
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1000
its great improvment what you made keep it up
legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
I'm wondering, will we ever be able to sign a message from the addresses we generate to prove we own them?
legendary
Activity: 1463
Merit: 1886
give us that function please

Code:
    function canAcceptBet(odds, wager, bankroll) {
        return computeKelly(x) <= wager/bankroll;
    }

where computeKelly the kelly criterion. In the case of a simple binary bet, it returns quite literally the house edge of that bet.
sr. member
Activity: 616
Merit: 250
We then minimize the multiplier, to find the worst acceptable bet that is a good deal for the investors, which might be: 4 BTC @ 85% chance of 1.20x.

I am just asking what you mean with "acceptable". It should be a fixed calculation
the average odd you get is 1.25
the odd you the investors is 1.2
and the odd which would leave the investors at an EV of 0 is 1.17647059

why suddenly 1.2 ? how do you come up with this number?

We actually bisect this. We have a function which applies the generalized kelly, which says if it's acceptable to investors or not . So we start 1.25x,  and are told it's acceptable. So we decrease this to say  1.1x, and are told it's unacceptable. So we increase it, to say 1.17x and told it's unacceptable so we increase it again. We try 1.21x and told it's acceptable, so we decrease it etc.

And eventually we converge on what is the worst good odds, and use that.
give us that function please
legendary
Activity: 1463
Merit: 1886
We then minimize the multiplier, to find the worst acceptable bet that is a good deal for the investors, which might be: 4 BTC @ 85% chance of 1.20x.

I am just asking what you mean with "acceptable". It should be a fixed calculation
the average odd you get is 1.25
the odd you the investors is 1.2
and the odd which would leave the investors at an EV of 0 is 1.17647059

why suddenly 1.2 ? how do you come up with this number?

We actually bisect this. We have a function which applies the generalized kelly, which says if it's acceptable to investors or not . So we start 1.25x,  and are told it's acceptable. So we decrease this to say  1.1x, and are told it's unacceptable. So we increase it, to say 1.17x and told it's unacceptable so we increase it again. We try 1.21x and told it's acceptable, so we decrease it etc.

And eventually we converge on what is the minimal good deal, and use that.
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