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sr. member
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To The Moon !
Reddit questions,
they are to Vassillis, and one who asks them, also answers them.
Of course, the fork is encoded, but will it happen or not will depend only on our community (first of all, on miners). It's called consensus.
Yes, it's a decentralisation. No one is able to force that. If people update a wallet to the latest version and mine, the fork happens.
If they don't update, it doesn't happen.
As far as I know, exchanges and other services like cointopay.com (online wallet) already updated, but you may want to contact them to be sure,
please contact pools and block explorers to update the wallet. It depends on you - Vassillis doesn't respond!

You can go to chainz.cryptoid.info, select 'Moon' and to see how many nodes are on the new wallet with SegWit (0.13.9) and how many are on the old one (with diff retarget issues). Usually in several days before the fork block more wallets move to the latest version. The reason is that after the fork block is reached, you cannot move coins from the old wallet to exchanges, and if you are not an expert, it will not be safe for you to use the old wallet after the fork block.

Regarding whether Vassilis left or not: I've just sent a PM to him, asking this question and asked him again to post.
Even if he was shocked in January after sudden receiving of 62B (he shared his emotions with the community in his posts) now time had passed and he could give us a normal answer whether or not he will continue with Mooncoin development. Polemarhos888 just PMd me that Vassillis is not going to continue, and polemarhos888 had posted recently at Bitcointalk that a lawyer recommended Vassilis not to communicate with the community,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32013548
and we all understand that it's not possible to develop a coin, without communicating.

However, even if a lawyer recommended a 'safe choice', the community gave a lot of trust to Vassillis, and a transparent post from him with his final decision, with no emotions, would be appreciated. After that, if Vassilis really decided not to continue, not to communicate at all, then he should transfer a Github password to a new dev, or a new dev will create a new Github with a copy of Vassilis' code. The community has to find a new dev in this case.
Then people who run Mooncoin resources will update links, if they agree.

About tech risks with a fork, you can not be sure 100%, any fork is a risk, however now there are many more chances for success than with Balloon and with issues, which were fixed already by Vassillis. Miners, pools mine Scrypt, they don't mine Balloon!
I'm not a miner though, better ask mining experts like mebagger or coinflow, or tuaris (you can find links to their accounts in the OP).

Please understand: in a truly decentralised system like Mooncoin you mostly don't know who runs all these pools, services, sites, block explorers etc (or even if you know some, it's not always a good idea to disclosure that, any additional info could help hack the resources, also to run personal attacks etc).
There are enthusiasts from all over the world. You can not make them do what you want. Do good things, don't offend people, and people will support you.
After all, try to figure out what a consensus means in a decentralised system.


Good afternoon. I agree 1000 % !  Smiley
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 550
Mooncoin at Bitcointalk
Reddit questions,
they are to Vassillis, and one who asks them, also answers them.
Of course, the fork is encoded, but will it happen or not will depend only on our community (first of all, on miners). It's called consensus.
Yes, it's a decentralisation. No one is able to force that. If people update a wallet to the latest version and mine, the fork happens.
If they don't update, it doesn't happen.
As far as I know, exchanges and other services like cointopay.com (online wallet) already updated, but you may want to contact them to be sure,
please contact pools and block explorers to update the wallet. It depends on you - Vassillis doesn't respond!

You can go to chainz.cryptoid.info, select 'Moon' and to see how many nodes are on the new wallet with SegWit (0.13.9) and how many are on the old one (with diff retarget issues). Usually in several days before the fork block more wallets move to the latest version. The reason is that after the fork block is reached, you cannot move coins from the old wallet to exchanges, and if you are not an expert, it will not be safe for you to use the old wallet after the fork block.

Regarding whether Vassilis left or not: I've just sent a PM to him, asking this question and asked him again to post.
Even if he was shocked in January after sudden receiving of 62B (he shared his emotions with the community in his posts) now time had passed and he could give us a normal answer whether or not he will continue with Mooncoin development. Polemarhos888 just PMd me that Vassillis is not going to continue, and polemarhos888 had posted recently at Bitcointalk that a lawyer recommended Vassilis not to communicate with the community,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32013548
and we all understand that it's not possible to develop a coin, without communicating.

However, even if a lawyer recommended a 'safe choice', the community gave a lot of trust to Vassillis, and a transparent post from him with his final decision, with no emotions, would be appreciated. After that, if Vassilis really decided not to continue, not to communicate at all, then he should transfer a Github password to a new dev, or a new dev will create a new Github with a copy of Vassilis' code. The community has to find a new dev in this case.
Then people who run Mooncoin resources will update links, if they agree.

About tech risks with a fork, you can not be sure 100%, any fork is a risk, however now there are many more chances for success than with Balloon and with issues, which were fixed already by Vassillis. Miners, pools mine Scrypt, they don't mine Balloon!
I'm not a miner though, better ask mining experts like mebagger or coinflow, or tuaris (you can find links to their accounts in the OP).

Please understand: in a truly decentralised system like Mooncoin you mostly don't know who runs all these pools, services, sites, block explorers etc (or even if you know some, it's not always a good idea to disclosure that, any additional info could help hack the resources, also to run personal attacks etc).
There are enthusiasts from all over the world. You can not make them do what you want. Do good things, don't offend people, and people will support you.
After all, try to figure out what a consensus means in a decentralised system.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 550
Mooncoin at Bitcointalk

I have no idea why he was so fixated on the fraud part, if I believe someone is doing shady things then I will usually make that clearly known. Like with MF trying to get me to sweep Barry's debt under the rug and just let him keep my coins, or him offering me a fraction of my BTC back to leave it alone after so I wouldn't hurt his investment.


That's untrue. It was not a 'shady thing' like you are saying. Below is your own post at Bitcointalk from May, 13, 2017, answering my post, in which I transparently said that you were suggested 0.2 btc (barry's debt). Whether it was 'not to hurt my investment' - it's just your assumption.


6. I suggested you in a PM to raise this 0.2 btc from the Mooncoin community (after you opened a scam accusation thread against a dev who had done a lot for MOON, but you told that you had enough money and it's not the point).

This is correct. The MOON community doesn't owe me anything and it would be unfair to ask them to provide me the money they didn't take. I said long ago that I had already accepted the loss of BTC.


Why I like Bitcointalk, here in most cases you can show some proof to remove false accusations.
It takes much time though, to find a proof of the truth amongst thousands of posts.
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Activity: 138
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Didn't post for awhile.
Glad to see some good activity of the community. Sad to see that the thread became toxic.
A lot of fear, a lot of anger.

I will try to answer real questions (about SmartLikes, about issues with Proof-of-Stake and with Proof-of-human algos etc. and why the community had chosen Proof-of-Work and about barrysty1e's protection) and your messages in upcoming days.
Remember that I'm just an investor like you. I'm not a crypto coder. I'm not familiar with barrysty1e, Vassilis and other Mooncoin devs.
I communicated with them only via PM and transparent posting in this forum. I deliberately was not active for awhile, not to look like I speak on behalf of community in this situation. The community decides everything.

Now the consensus is clear: 1 person (coinflow) said to burn no coins, 1 person claimed several millions, 1 person (probably without knowing the situation) posted he's against forks, burns etc, and A LOT of people voted by their posts for burning of coins.

Also there is no 'Foundation' group. 'Foundation' is just a word in my nickname, it's my Bitcointalk account. That's disclosured in the OP.
We are not familiar in real life with coinflow, agswinner and other users.
2 years ago I suggested to make a conference in Europe to meet with coinflow, agswinner and other investors, an user coinflow (a recognised Mooncoin leader in 2014-2016) blocked the idea. We don't know each other yet.

In fact I'm familiar with no one from Bitcointalk in real life.
I'm one Mooncoin investor who started my account and this ANN thread to help the community (the original thread was outdated after disappearing in 2014 of deaconboogie, an original dev of Mooncoin, after he had reported health issues). If you need to update the original post of this ANN thread with some actual info, please tell me. Unfortunately, other things don't depend on me, but we have a strong community, since 2014 it survived many devs. Now it is just another crisis, we saw many of them during several years. Anyway the project is growing. Don't believe? Look at Mooncoin's network hashrate. In 2014 it was about 1GH/sec, and now?


Good to see you and other members back  so hopefully we can get back on track
newbie
Activity: 231
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see Paccoin, why Mooncoin can not be like Paccoin?
from 1 sat to 100 sat more?
let's make Moon like PacCoin now this is the time  Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

Good morning ! I prefer this attitude 100% !  Smiley



1000% agree !!  finally then , i hope that "we" can go on bring mooncoin back to the charts !! back in business !!


and its great  to see positivism arround mooncoin !


 
sr. member
Activity: 499
Merit: 250
To The Moon !
see Paccoin, why Mooncoin can not be like Paccoin?
from 1 sat to 100 sat more?
let's make Moon like PacCoin now this is the time  Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool

Good morning ! I prefer this attitude 100% !  Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 499
Merit: 250
To The Moon !
I have decided to sel loff my mooncoins and move to better cryptos.  This "Dev" had plenty of time to burn the stolen coins and still wouldn't do it.  I believe he already dumped some of the other coins and is planning to dump more and I deem him unstrustworthy.

Check this url:

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/moon/#!wallets  

or this

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/moon/address.dws?846906.htm

The "known" coins are there...

hero member
Activity: 1176
Merit: 501
I have decided to sel loff my mooncoins and move to better cryptos.  This "Dev" had plenty of time to burn the stolen coins and still wouldn't do it.  I believe he already dumped some of the other coins and is planning to dump more and I deem him unstrustworthy.

Yawn.     You obviously havent been reading the posts.

   Sell off.  cya.
hero member
Activity: 1176
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Was not right by saying 'not dangerous' in my previous post. The case is dangerous to a degree. It's not so dangerous as destroying of the project, but it is dangerous if Vassilis decides to scam and to dump coins. Vassilis doesn't post and doesn't answer PMs since Jan, 20 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vassilisdev-1403637 that's why people begin to doubt in him. Why doesn't he post?
Could the community ask polemarhos888 who lives in the same town with him to meet with Vassilis and to try to convince him to disclosure his plans?  

I have meet Vassilis before about 2 weeks. He said that was dissapointed with the behaviour of some people in community. So, he did not communicate for this reason. Also, his lawyer have gave the same advice. He said me that he is waiting his lawyer's finally solution too. But I and Agswinner have asked lawyers for the same issue. Their answer was the same: It's not a simmple issue. Vassilis' lawyer has the same opinion too. So, we know that these coins are safe now ! Vassilis will not use them for any reason ! And in my opinion, the most important things now is the support and development of Mooncoin. Let's do it !  

Why did you not shared this information with the community? It looks like you and agswinner know a lot but do not share.

Polar has obvious ly stated the reason why he decided to keep these information away from the community due to his personal reasons which I respect. But I still think in times like this, your interest alone shouldn't always count rather also think of others.

It was discussed a few weeks ago. (did you miss my post?)

   
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I have decided to sel loff my mooncoins and move to better cryptos.  This "Dev" had plenty of time to burn the stolen coins and still wouldn't do it.  I believe he already dumped some of the other coins and is planning to dump more and I deem him unstrustworthy.

I don't blame you for this decision rather I would say it s indeed a smart move because, I really don't see mooncoin performing miracle and doing wonders soon,  alot of issues needs to be trashed out from devs to promoters etc.
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Hello friends of the Moon, I hereby present in ANN the official page of Mooncoin in Brazil that will be the basis of the commercial adoption and registration of businesses that in the future will accept Mooncoin.


mooncoin.com.br


Good morning ! Congratulation for your efforts ! Mooncoin must be one of the first 100 cryptos in coinmarketcap.
We can do it !

Did you just say one of the first 100 cryptos,  to be honest,  alot more needs to be done. Many have lost faith in mooncoin, price has not improved in ages,  many have also counted their losses on this one and left for others cryptos. Best of luck with your wishes.
member
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I have decided to sel loff my mooncoins and move to better cryptos.  This "Dev" had plenty of time to burn the stolen coins and still wouldn't do it.  I believe he already dumped some of the other coins and is planning to dump more and I deem him unstrustworthy.
full member
Activity: 420
Merit: 100
Was not right by saying 'not dangerous' in my previous post. The case is dangerous to a degree. It's not so dangerous as destroying of the project, but it is dangerous if Vassilis decides to scam and to dump coins. Vassilis doesn't post and doesn't answer PMs since Jan, 20 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vassilisdev-1403637 that's why people begin to doubt in him. Why doesn't he post?
Could the community ask polemarhos888 who lives in the same town with him to meet with Vassilis and to try to convince him to disclosure his plans?  

I have meet Vassilis before about 2 weeks. He said that was dissapointed with the behaviour of some people in community. So, he did not communicate for this reason. Also, his lawyer have gave the same advice. He said me that he is waiting his lawyer's finally solution too. But I and Agswinner have asked lawyers for the same issue. Their answer was the same: It's not a simmple issue. Vassilis' lawyer has the same opinion too. So, we know that these coins are safe now ! Vassilis will not use them for any reason ! And in my opinion, the most important things now is the support and development of Mooncoin. Let's do it !  

Why did you not shared this information with the community? It looks like you and agswinner know a lot but do not share.

Polar has obvious ly stated the reason why he decided to keep these information away from the community due to his personal reasons which I respect. But I still think in times like this, your interest alone shouldn't always count rather also think of others.
sr. member
Activity: 499
Merit: 250
To The Moon !
Was not right by saying 'not dangerous' in my previous post. The case is dangerous to a degree. It's not so dangerous as destroying of the project, but it is dangerous if Vassilis decides to scam and to dump coins. Vassilis doesn't post and doesn't answer PMs since Jan, 20 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vassilisdev-1403637 that's why people begin to doubt in him. Why doesn't he post?
Could the community ask polemarhos888 who lives in the same town with him to meet with Vassilis and to try to convince him to disclosure his plans?  

I have meet Vassilis before about 2 weeks. He said that was dissapointed with the behaviour of some people in community. So, he did not communicate for this reason. Also, his lawyer have gave the same advice. He said me that he is waiting his lawyer's finally solution too. But I and Agswinner have asked lawyers for the same issue. Their answer was the same: It's not a simmple issue. Vassilis' lawyer has the same opinion too. So, we know that these coins are safe now ! Vassilis will not use them for any reason ! And in my opinion, the most important things now is the support and development of Mooncoin. Let's do it !  

Why did you not shared this information with the community? It looks like you and agswinner know a lot but do not share.

I and Agswinner have talked about our lawyers' opinion. Also, I have said that Vassilis is waiting his lawyer's finally solution. But the basic issue now is the development.

I have seen your posts about your lawyer but I dit not know that Vasillis did not communicate with the community because of the behaviour of some people and on advice of his lawyer. I hope things wil be turn for the better in the future for Mooncoin!

It's ok ! Personally, I have learned many things with this fact too. I believe that Mooncoin community will be stronger after that !  Smiley
newbie
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Was not right by saying 'not dangerous' in my previous post. The case is dangerous to a degree. It's not so dangerous as destroying of the project, but it is dangerous if Vassilis decides to scam and to dump coins. Vassilis doesn't post and doesn't answer PMs since Jan, 20 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vassilisdev-1403637 that's why people begin to doubt in him. Why doesn't he post?
Could the community ask polemarhos888 who lives in the same town with him to meet with Vassilis and to try to convince him to disclosure his plans?  

I have meet Vassilis before about 2 weeks. He said that was dissapointed with the behaviour of some people in community. So, he did not communicate for this reason. Also, his lawyer have gave the same advice. He said me that he is waiting his lawyer's finally solution too. But I and Agswinner have asked lawyers for the same issue. Their answer was the same: It's not a simmple issue. Vassilis' lawyer has the same opinion too. So, we know that these coins are safe now ! Vassilis will not use them for any reason ! And in my opinion, the most important things now is the support and development of Mooncoin. Let's do it !  

Why did you not shared this information with the community? It looks like you and agswinner know a lot but do not share.

I and Agswinner have talked about our lawyers' opinion. Also, I have said that Vassilis is waiting his lawyer's finally solution. But the basic issue now is the development.

I have seen your posts about your lawyer but I dit not know that Vasillis did not communicate with the community because of the behaviour of some people and on advice of his lawyer. I hope things wil be turn for the better in the future for Mooncoin!
sr. member
Activity: 499
Merit: 250
To The Moon !
Was not right by saying 'not dangerous' in my previous post. The case is dangerous to a degree. It's not so dangerous as destroying of the project, but it is dangerous if Vassilis decides to scam and to dump coins. Vassilis doesn't post and doesn't answer PMs since Jan, 20 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vassilisdev-1403637 that's why people begin to doubt in him. Why doesn't he post?
Could the community ask polemarhos888 who lives in the same town with him to meet with Vassilis and to try to convince him to disclosure his plans?  

I have meet Vassilis before about 2 weeks. He said that was dissapointed with the behaviour of some people in community. So, he did not communicate for this reason. Also, his lawyer have gave the same advice. He said me that he is waiting his lawyer's finally solution too. But I and Agswinner have asked lawyers for the same issue. Their answer was the same: It's not a simmple issue. Vassilis' lawyer has the same opinion too. So, we know that these coins are safe now ! Vassilis will not use them for any reason ! And in my opinion, the most important things now is the support and development of Mooncoin. Let's do it !  

Why did you not shared this information with the community? It looks like you and agswinner know a lot but do not share.

They both posted thier discussion 2weeks back (or 2 months my memory sucks)
.    but they was also trounced upon.  

  

We all agree that the issue with coins is strange and complicated. Criticism is the only  easy thing in these cases.  But a strong community is able to solve any problem. Of course we need unity and action !
hero member
Activity: 1176
Merit: 501
Was not right by saying 'not dangerous' in my previous post. The case is dangerous to a degree. It's not so dangerous as destroying of the project, but it is dangerous if Vassilis decides to scam and to dump coins. Vassilis doesn't post and doesn't answer PMs since Jan, 20 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vassilisdev-1403637 that's why people begin to doubt in him. Why doesn't he post?
Could the community ask polemarhos888 who lives in the same town with him to meet with Vassilis and to try to convince him to disclosure his plans?  

I have meet Vassilis before about 2 weeks. He said that was dissapointed with the behaviour of some people in community. So, he did not communicate for this reason. Also, his lawyer have gave the same advice. He said me that he is waiting his lawyer's finally solution too. But I and Agswinner have asked lawyers for the same issue. Their answer was the same: It's not a simmple issue. Vassilis' lawyer has the same opinion too. So, we know that these coins are safe now ! Vassilis will not use them for any reason ! And in my opinion, the most important things now is the support and development of Mooncoin. Let's do it !  

Why did you not shared this information with the community? It looks like you and agswinner know a lot but do not share.

They both posted thier discussion 2weeks back (or 2 months my memory sucks)
.    but they was also trounced upon.  

  
sr. member
Activity: 499
Merit: 250
To The Moon !
Was not right by saying 'not dangerous' in my previous post. The case is dangerous to a degree. It's not so dangerous as destroying of the project, but it is dangerous if Vassilis decides to scam and to dump coins. Vassilis doesn't post and doesn't answer PMs since Jan, 20 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vassilisdev-1403637 that's why people begin to doubt in him. Why doesn't he post?
Could the community ask polemarhos888 who lives in the same town with him to meet with Vassilis and to try to convince him to disclosure his plans?  

I have meet Vassilis before about 2 weeks. He said that was dissapointed with the behaviour of some people in community. So, he did not communicate for this reason. Also, his lawyer have gave the same advice. He said me that he is waiting his lawyer's finally solution too. But I and Agswinner have asked lawyers for the same issue. Their answer was the same: It's not a simmple issue. Vassilis' lawyer has the same opinion too. So, we know that these coins are safe now ! Vassilis will not use them for any reason ! And in my opinion, the most important things now is the support and development of Mooncoin. Let's do it !  

Why did you not shared this information with the community? It looks like you and agswinner know a lot but do not share.

I and Agswinner have talked about our lawyers' opinion. Also, I have said that Vassilis is waiting his lawyer's finally solution. But the basic issue now is the development.
newbie
Activity: 23
Merit: 0
Was not right by saying 'not dangerous' in my previous post. The case is dangerous to a degree. It's not so dangerous as destroying of the project, but it is dangerous if Vassilis decides to scam and to dump coins. Vassilis doesn't post and doesn't answer PMs since Jan, 20 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vassilisdev-1403637 that's why people begin to doubt in him. Why doesn't he post?
Could the community ask polemarhos888 who lives in the same town with him to meet with Vassilis and to try to convince him to disclosure his plans?  

I have meet Vassilis before about 2 weeks. He said that was dissapointed with the behaviour of some people in community. So, he did not communicate for this reason. Also, his lawyer have gave the same advice. He said me that he is waiting his lawyer's finally solution too. But I and Agswinner have asked lawyers for the same issue. Their answer was the same: It's not a simmple issue. Vassilis' lawyer has the same opinion too. So, we know that these coins are safe now ! Vassilis will not use them for any reason ! And in my opinion, the most important things now is the support and development of Mooncoin. Let's do it !  

Why did you not shared this information with the community? It looks like you and agswinner know a lot but do not share.
sr. member
Activity: 499
Merit: 250
To The Moon !
Was not right by saying 'not dangerous' in my previous post. The case is dangerous to a degree. It's not so dangerous as destroying of the project, but it is dangerous if Vassilis decides to scam and to dump coins. Vassilis doesn't post and doesn't answer PMs since Jan, 20 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vassilisdev-1403637 that's why people begin to doubt in him. Why doesn't he post?
Could the community ask polemarhos888 who lives in the same town with him to meet with Vassilis and to try to convince him to disclosure his plans?   

I have meet Vassilis before about 2 weeks. He said that was dissapointed with the behaviour of some people in community. So, he did not communicate for this reason. Also, his lawyer have gave the same advice. He said me that he is waiting his lawyer's finally solution too. But I and Agswinner have asked lawyers for the same issue. Their answer was the same: It's not a simmple issue. Vassilis' lawyer has the same opinion too. So, we know that these coins are safe now ! Vassilis will not use them for any reason ! And in my opinion, the most important things now is the support and development of Mooncoin. Let's do it !   
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