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Yes, the destruction of infrastructure in Ukraine continues. The Russians are deliberately shelling houses, schools, hospitals... Women and children are dying. Recently, information even appeared that Russian Defense Minister Shoigu ordered to cut down forests in Ukraine as much as possible. Ukraine is being destroyed as a state and the genocide of the Ukrainian people is deliberately taking place. According to the approximate estimates of the government of Ukraine, the Russian occupiers caused more than $500 billion worth of destruction in Ukraine.

But Ukraine will survive and win this war, because now people are very united around this goal and everyone works as one mechanism. Russia will have to pay for its destruction. Approximately $300 billion of Russian reserves have been seized outside of Russia and are expected to go to Ukraine for reconstruction. Ukraine nationalized all Russian property located on its territory. All over the world, there are also seizures of state property of Russia and its oligarchs. In addition, most states are already ready to help Ukraine finance the recovery of its economy.
But Russia will turn into a backward and poor country. Well, it's their choice.
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This war lasts a long time because Russia does not set itself the goal of destroying cities and infrastructure. If such a huge country as Russia decided to fight at full power, do you really think that this war would last more than two days? All people want peace, but there are such words - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"  if you want peace, prepare for war...

And what is the goal of russia then? Maybe the genocide of the Ukrainian people? Maybe the destruction of Ukraine as a state? Maybe the inclusion of Ukraine in the newly formed russian empire?

I wonder what kind of goal this is, for which not all the effort, not full power is spent. Or maybe they still want come to this goal and have used all their strength, but did not expect to encounter such resistance? Maybe they didn't expect each of them to follow their warship?
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This war lasts a long time because Russia does not set itself the goal of destroying cities and infrastructure. If such a huge country as Russia decided to fight at full power, do you really think that this war would last more than two days? All people want peace, but there are such words - "Si vis pacem, para bellum"  if you want peace, prepare for war...
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It appears that this war is not going to end any time soon, Putin expected his military to crush Ukraine in mere days but they have taken a huge hammering in the weeks since it started. Russia has enough military might to slowly conquer Ukraine but many more people are going to die on both sides in the process and Russia's military has truly shown to be pretty awful in every respect. Russia are slowly taking ground, but even if they do take Ukraine - they have in many cases turned cities to rubble and made 40 million people hate them. Much like Afghanistan (multiple times), Iraq and Vietnam - there will be no peace for Russia until they withdraw, many Russian soldiers will need to occupy the country and will slowly be killed over time as the oppressors they are.

The saddening of all this is the people on both sides, that will sacrifice their lives for a mission that is not justifiable. I don't know what is the ultimate goal of Putin here with this demilitarization in Ukraine. But people across the globe are condemning this situation because a lot of innocent lives are lost because of this aggression. After this war, many people will hate Putin for what he had done to this country. Why did he resort to this action?
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Lately the Ukraine territory have been seriously destroyed, some cities captured by Russian troops making the Ukrainian economy gradually going into the hand of Russia and the power plant that was blown up is one of the economic resources for Ukraine.

Few days back, US reviewed a satellite image of Russian military approaching Ukraine with all the warfare like the armory being taken to Russia and later , same US updated through the satellite image that the movement seem to be slowed down for whatever reason including disagreement, shortage of gas for those vehicles etc. Now I think they finally got inside of Ukraine and the reason for Ukraine economic buildings badly hit and the battle much intensity. Is a pity that they entered Ukraine and causing more destruction.

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My question is when these satellite images where shown and again they got some delay while coming to Ukraine, then why can't the Ukraine stop them by throwing missiles on them or Ukraine don't have such rocket missiles that can set the tanks ablaze.
Or Russia got everywhere covered by closing up the space that they can be attacked on air ?

It appears that this war is not going to end any time soon, Putin expected his military to crush Ukraine in mere days but they have taken a huge hammering in the weeks since it started. Russia has enough military might to slowly conquer Ukraine but many more people are going to die on both sides in the process and Russia's military has truly shown to be pretty awful in every respect. Russia are slowly taking ground, but even if they do take Ukraine - they have in many cases turned cities to rubble and made 40 million people hate them. Much like Afghanistan (multiple times), Iraq and Vietnam - there will be no peace for Russia until they withdraw, many Russian soldiers will need to occupy the country and will slowly be killed over time as the oppressors they are.
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And while without a doubt it is a good thing that the Ukrainian soldiers can strike back, at  the same time this is going to create in the Russian soldiers an even bigger desire to win, which means destroying most of the economic resources of Ukraine, so even if Ukraine somehow got to repel the Russian invaders their economy will take such a hit that most likely they will need decades to recover even with the support of the US and other countries.

I am a citizen of Ukraine, who is in the ranks of the Territorial Defense units. I saw Russian soldiers. I have never seen such pathetic people. Deeply demoralized, hungry, wounded and abandoned by their commanders on the battlefield. Believe me - if there are tactical surrenders of territories, it is only due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply do not have time to destroy the Russian soldiers. It feels like the Russian army is an army of sheep that were simply sent to the slaughter! I can show real photos with dozens of really many kilometers destroyed columns of the Russian army!
Regarding the "destruction of Ukraine and the economy of Ukraine." What is, a fact: targeted bombing of residential areas, schools, hospitals, kindergartens, shops ... This is world terrorism, rashism.
What is not: the economy of Ukraine, of course, suffered, but most of the industrial enterprises are intact, and the financial and banking sector is working stably. If in Russia the ruble is going down, then in Ukraine the exchange rate against the Ukrainian hryvnia, on the contrary, is declining.



Thanks for the info, first hand information from people that are on the ground and watching what is happening is invaluable, I do not know how true the reports are but it seems that Putin even deceived his own soldiers by saying they were on the border for some military exercises and then out of nowhere they were sent to fight a war they were not prepared to fight, which could explain the low morale of the troops and their lack of supplies, if true then this will be one more example of how senseless is this war and why it should be stopped immediately. Take care.
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There is what we call military tactics. Even if they have a way to see where their enemies are, they are letting them in to a trap and that is where they are going to ambush them.

I saw a recent video about them that a rocket has directly attacked an on going moving of Russian tanks and saw that they have ambushes that troops and dead bodies landed on that very street.
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physically and military equipment russia is superior to ukraine but the spirit and belief of the ukraine army can break the russian military aggression so russia is bombing ukraine by destroying all public facilities basically at this point ukraine a lot of financial support that can be allocated for buying weapons from several countries, especially the union europe so that it can survive the russian attack even though the ukraine loss in this case may be more than the russian with the damage to facilities and the death of civilians

No, it's fake. Even cruise missiles of the latest generation, with which the Russians fire at our peaceful cities, Iskander and Kalibr, according to the statements of Russian commercials - "unparalleled, and capable of breaking through any defense", here they are knocked down by "backward Ukrainian air defense". Below is a photo - traces of downed Iskanders, Kyiv, not far from my house.
And everything else they fight with is obsolete tanks and MLRS from the times of the USSR. But Ukraine, very effectively destroys them, with modern systems such as Javelin, NLAV and the like, provided by Western partners, for which many thanks to them!
The only "advantage" of the Russian army is a large amount of manpower, with which they, like cannon fodder, shower our positions. But this is "normal" - in the Russian army, manpower is disposable consumables, it is not customary to save and save them. Throwing meat at the enemy is the strategy of the Russian army. Well, and terrorism - the bombing of hospitals, maternity hospitals, schools, residential areas ...

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physically and military equipment russia is superior to ukraine but the spirit and belief of the ukraine army can break the russian military aggression so russia is bombing ukraine by destroying all public facilities basically at this point ukraine a lot of financial support that can be allocated for buying weapons from several countries, especially the union europe so that it can survive the russian attack even though the ukraine loss in this case may be more than the russian with the damage to facilities and the death of civilians
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No doubting here that Ukrainian soldiers are facing the up to the challenges of the Russians to the surprise of Putin and to others. There are information that the Russian have lose about 6,000 men in the war. Despite that Ukraine is losing civilians and military but Ukraine has held the fight up so far and EU supporting the Ukraine economy and receiving refugees for them.
So far it is very difficult to know how many victims there are on the Russian side, because several times I heard on television that the Ukrainian president said he had killed more than 10,000 Russian soldiers, but on another day the Ukrainian president said around 7000 Russian soldiers were killed,
I am a little doubtful of the current claim, because I think the Russian army has better support for war equipment than Ukraine.
Btw about refugees, do you know that if European countries do racist acts in accepting refugees from ukraine, is that true?
because I saw several videos showing the separation of skin color that occurs in refugees when crossing the border or getting on a truck to be transported to a refugee camp.
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The difference is not the one you think. I mean Ukraine did get better that is correct, but at the same time we are talking about Russia being unable to attack with all of their power.

If Russia attacked with every single solider and gun and tank and whatever, that would make them vulnerable in every other side of their nation. So, they had to leave some soldiers behind to protect the nation. This caused them to drop significantly in power, but even with that, they are the attacking party and they needed to have bigger power anyway.

The real trouble is that, we are not at ancient world where thousands face off each other in a battlefield. We are in modern times and that means you can attack as much as you want, as long as people resist, you have to keep on attacking forever until people stop resisting. And we all know Ukraine is not stopping anytime soon.
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No doubting here that Ukrainian soldiers are facing the up to the challenges of the Russians to the surprise of Putin and to others. There are information that the Russian have lose about 6,000 men in the war. Despite that Ukraine is losing civilians and military but Ukraine has held the fight up so far and EU supporting the Ukraine economy and receiving refugees for them.


1. Information on the losses of the occupying forces in Ukraine.
The Center for Counteracting Disinformation at the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine reports on the enemy's combat losses from February 24 to March 11, which were approximately:

▪️ personnel - over / approx. 12 thousand man
▪️ tanks - 335 units,
▪️ combat armored vehicles / APV - 1165 units,
▪️ artillery systems - 125 units,
▪️ MLRS - 58 units,
▪️ Anti-aircraft warfare systems - 31 units,
▪️ aircraft - 57 units,
▪️ helicopters - 83 units;
▪️ vehicles - 558 units,
▪️ light speedboats - 3 units,
▪️ fuel tanks - 60 units,
▪️ UAV operational-tactical level - 7 units.

2. The Russian army, having suffered a complete fiasco with the "quick victorious war", turned to terrorism - the destruction of residential areas, schools, hospitals, ...
Fascism / Nazism against the background of racism, just petty scoundrels ...

But victory will be ours! The enemy will be destroyed! Glory to Ukraine!
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Putin previously allocated 5 billion dollars for subversive activities in Ukraine, the formation of groups that could engage in terrorist activities against the people and the political leadership of this country. This money was stolen, and Putin was reported that the people of Ukraine were waiting for Russian liberators. With this in mind, Putin eventually decided to attack Ukraine and miscalculated very badly. After the first invasion of Ukraine in 2014, the Ukrainian army has grown stronger, and recently received a lot of weapons from the United States and other NATO countries. In addition, over the eight years of warfare, Ukrainians have gained enough experience in waging war.
And the state and power of the Russian army turned out to be too exaggerated. Recently they showed on television that the bulletproof vests on the dead Russian soldiers did not have armored sheets inside, but cardboard. The protection of the tanks inside contained cardboard egg trays. But most importantly, the Russians do not know why they are fighting on the territory of Ukraine.
Of course, by deliberately shelling the civilian infrastructure of Ukrainian settlements, Russia inflicts huge material damage on it, which is already estimated at more than $100 billion. In addition to international assistance, Ukraine is counting on Russia's foreign exchange reserves seized in foreign banks and, in general, currency and property, which will be sanctioned.
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Sadly, despite billions in damage, the destruction is just starting. Russia's strategy is completely leveling whole cities, towns and villages, in order to terrorize the government into signing Russia's demands. And Ukraine is defending itself as best as it can, but it can't match Russia in open field, and its air defense can't cover and intercept everything.

The Russian army was considered very strong because it was the image they had created for decades. However, as DrBeer pointed out, and from what I see myself, Russians are people who have no purpose and do not understand what they are fighting for. They are confused because they are constantly lied to, they do not know whom to trust and what should they believe, as well as what they should do. They are simply very afraid for their own lives (except for those who are openly a terrorist, who mocks, robs, rapes, and enjoys it). That is why Ukrainan Forces have a great advantage and they can match Russia in open field. Yes, our air defense can't cover and intercept everything, but you really believe that some other air defence can do such things?

No doubting here that Ukrainian soldiers are facing the up to the challenges of the Russians to the surprise of Putin and to others. There are information that the Russian have lose about 6,000 men in the war. Despite that Ukraine is losing civilians and military but Ukraine has held the fight up so far and EU supporting the Ukraine economy and receiving refugees for them.
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Sadly, despite billions in damage, the destruction is just starting. Russia's strategy is completely leveling whole cities, towns and villages, in order to terrorize the government into signing Russia's demands. And Ukraine is defending itself as best as it can, but it can't match Russia in open field, and its air defense can't cover and intercept everything.

The Russian army was considered very strong because it was the image they had created for decades. However, as DrBeer pointed out, and from what I see myself, Russians are people who have no purpose and do not understand what they are fighting for. They are confused because they are constantly lied to, they do not know whom to trust and what should they believe, as well as what they should do. They are simply very afraid for their own lives (except for those who are openly a terrorist, who mocks, robs, rapes, and enjoys it). That is why Ukrainan Forces have a great advantage and they can match Russia in open field. Yes, our air defense can't cover and intercept everything, but you really believe that some other air defence can do such things?
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My question is when these satellite images where shown and again they got some delay while coming to Ukraine, then why can't the Ukraine stop them by throwing missiles on them or Ukraine don't have such rocket missiles that can set the tanks ablaze.
Or Russia got everywhere covered by closing up the space that they can be attacked on air ?

If you follow the news back to back concerning the ongoing war, you will discover that its not only Russia that is striking Ukraine but rather vise versa, Ukraine too are giving it hot on Russia, in fact Russia never expected such moves from Ukraine but nevertheless Ukraine still suffer more casualties, as at today it was recorded that Russia lost 3 of its commanders amidst the struggle as they try to ignite one of the EU nuclear power plant which could cause a great havoc on humanitarian life and well-being as the Russian citizens also cry out lamenting on such step is inhuman and a genocide which could affect the entire world and not only Ukraine if allowed.
And while without a doubt it is a good thing that the Ukrainian soldiers can strike back, at  the same time this is going to create in the Russian soldiers an even bigger desire to win, which means destroying most of the economic resources of Ukraine, so even if Ukraine somehow got to repel the Russian invaders their economy will take such a hit that most likely they will need decades to recover even with the support of the US and other countries.

I am a citizen of Ukraine, who is in the ranks of the Territorial Defense units. I saw Russian soldiers. I have never seen such pathetic people. Deeply demoralized, hungry, wounded and abandoned by their commanders on the battlefield. Believe me - if there are tactical surrenders of territories, it is only due to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine simply do not have time to destroy the Russian soldiers. It feels like the Russian army is an army of sheep that were simply sent to the slaughter! I can show real photos with dozens of really many kilometers destroyed columns of the Russian army!
Regarding the "destruction of Ukraine and the economy of Ukraine." What is, a fact: targeted bombing of residential areas, schools, hospitals, kindergartens, shops ... This is world terrorism, rashism.
What is not: the economy of Ukraine, of course, suffered, but most of the industrial enterprises are intact, and the financial and banking sector is working stably. If in Russia the ruble is going down, then in Ukraine the exchange rate against the Ukrainian hryvnia, on the contrary, is declining.


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Sadly, despite billions in damage, the destruction is just starting. Russia's strategy is completely leveling whole cities, towns and villages, in order to terrorize the government into signing Russia's demands. And Ukraine is defending itself as best as it can, but it can't match Russia in open field, and its air defense can't cover and intercept everything.
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When all this war between Ukraine and Russia will be over, Ukrainian are the ones to suffer it most. Russia will face sanctions while China enables to help them to sort ways out of all the sanctions. The collateral damage will still be ringing into Ukrainian ears each passing day. The war is brought to their doorstep, not on Russian soil, that's the worst thing happening to them. I pray they survive all this(war) in no time cos I see the Russian armies not ready to retreat from Ukraine soil soon
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I mean if the Ukraine's Defense Minister said this, it could also be lies to boost the morale of their soldiers, or show other countries that they can do it and with a little bit of help from others they could destroy Russia totally.

The morale of the Ukrainian army is uplifted by the fact that they are really defeating the enemy. It's not easy, but our defenders know what they are fighting for. We are on our own land and we are defending our right to live here as we see fit. Can Russia say something about believing in its own goal? Russian soldiers surrender, give out information and refuse to fight. You do not need to see the numbers of losses on both sides to see who truly believes in the victory.

It is obvious that their President is seeking help, day by day. That means he is in dire situation and even released some prisoners to fight back.

Yes, the situation is difficult. But how can it be different? This is the war. Some of the prisoners were released not because the situation was hopeless, but because some of them had military experience, which is now an indispensable advantage. We do not seek help because we cannot cope on our own. This is because we are sure that Putin will not stop only at Ukraine. He will move on if he is not stopped by joint efforts. The most interesting thing is that we are not the only ones, who believes so
https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-hit-nato-baltic-win-ukraine-eu-valdis-dombrovskis/


Also Putin is not dumb, going to war that he cannot win is unlikely to happen. He meant it when he said there will be no winners, he is suicidal and by any chance he loses this, that Red button is most likely to be pushed.

It seems to me that the end of your thesis obviously implies that Putin is an idiot.
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My question is when these satellite images where shown and again they got some delay while coming to Ukraine, then why can't the Ukraine stop them by throwing missiles on them or Ukraine don't have such rocket missiles that can set the tanks ablaze.
Or Russia got everywhere covered by closing up the space that they can be attacked on air ?


its not easy like what you think mate that Ukraine can easily throw missile using satellite and then it all done, i mean the war will end immediately after that. Nope! because if they do that it means they really wanted to make war and it will become worse IMO.

imagine how many troops Russian has compared to Ukraine .they want peace not war, wherein they all want to defend their land reason they still keep fighting..
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