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Looking at what Donald Trump said in his latest Press briefing, it hints at China blocking travel to major cities within China from Wuhan when it was first discovered that there were a breakout of Covid-19 but no restrictions was placed on travel to any other country. So it looks like China wanted to curb the spread of the virus in their country and not into other countries.  Angry

We all know that China wants to be the economic power house of the world, so it would make sense that they would want this virus to spread to the rest of the world and not within China. ( I am afraid that this strategy ..back fired on them, because this outbreak ruined their reputation in the rest of the world. People will always say that the outbreak started in China and that they hid this from the world. )

The question... was this a financial reset or the spark of a global recession.  Huh

I know, the theory that China released the virus on the world from their lab (deliberately or accidentally) is one of the major narratives in the West today.

However, this much is certain.  China released the virus on their own population first, in a massive way.  They minimized information from October through late January about this virus, and arrested doctors and independent journalists who tried to warn people.  And they did this while about 5 million people left the Wuhan/Hubei area to infect the rest of the country (Chinese New Year travel, I imagine.)

The fact that China *seems* to have done a better job at responding to the virus once the disaster was in the news, doesn't mean the Chinese experience has been/will be fundamentally different from that of the West.  Basically, the virus is on the loose, and there's no vaccine or effective treatment (at least not that can be used.)  So, the economy and financial system have to suffer shutdowns due to periodic flare-ups of the disease among the population.
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If HCQ is indeed an unfairly maligned, highly promising treatment, it does look as if the entire US establishment, not just the anti-Trump politicians and media, and not just big pharma (who stand to profit from much more expensive future vaccines and treatments, whereas HCQ is a generic) is against HCQ, and are desperate to make sure patients don't get cured.  This would be consistent with my theory that the Coronavirus was released in order to effect a controlled, gradual reset of the financial system.
This is a flawed theory in many levels, when the virus hit you do not have enough data to come to a conclusion that whether one treatment was better than the other and to test that out it needs time. Initial it was like an experiment trying out different drug and everyone's body does not respond the same to different medication.

Even during these experimentation the main objective was to prevent the virus from entering the cells and then to prevent it from multiplying and for that they were experimenting with different drugs that are existing and used for other viruses.

So the idea about the virus is released as part of an agenda to reset the financial system is absurd, conspiracy theories does not require any proof so it was fun reading your theory  Wink Cheesy.

Sure, there are variations in how each person responds to the virus, once exposed and/or treated.  But it's clear there are certain major known effects across the population as a whole.  (E.g. a certain percentage will get very sick and die.)

So, I don't see how my conspiracy theory can be rebutted on this basis.
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The major attack-piece on HCQ, the Lancet study, has been retracted because the data seems to be totally fraudulent.  E.g. the authors couldn't even name the hospitals who provided them with data, when their Australian data looked suspicious to some researchers.

Of course, since the mainstream media relied heavily on this study to attack HCQ just recently, we can now expect a full, immediate and highly visible announcement of their error.  Roll Eyes

Why would anyone do something like this?  Think of the enormous consequences in human lives.  Why would any perpetrator expect to get away with this?  So, what kind of power is behind this attack?

Think, and you will understand.
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A couple of weeks ago, I posted here my theory that the virus was released intentionally by China AND the Western elites to effect a reset of the global financial system.

Why China AND the western elites?Do you think that China and the western elites are working together instead of competing?There are conspiracy theories that China released the virus in order to damage the western economies,but I've never heard about your conspiracy theory.What's the point of China and the western elite actually trying to damage the world economy and kill thousands of people?
Only a psychopath can imagine such a devious plan.

Yes, different sets of elites can co-operate sometimes and compete other times.  When co-operation goes wrong, they might quickly accuse and threaten each other.  There are no permanent friends nor enemies in that world.

The circumstantial evidence that China and the West worked on the virus together, at least initially, are (Some of the following were mentioned in my other thread on the Coronavirus):

- The Western establishment at first spent an enormous amount of capital to defend China against suspicion that the virus came from a Wuhan lab.  Both mainstream scientists and media strongly stated that it was 'impossible' that the virus was lab made.  (Of course this tune has now changed.)  Why did they not use this as a opportunity to both attack China (as they normally use any opportunity to do so) and blame it for problems in the West caused by the virus?

- Somehow, the virus defeated containment efforts in all countries with major debt loads: China, US, UK, Japan, Italy, France.  Now their only choice is 'mitigation' which will affect their entire economies and financial systems.  If politics and incompetence caused containment to fail in a number of the above countries, that would be one thing.  But all of them?

- Countries in Eastern Europe, less controlled by the US-led global establishment, just happen to be much more able to contain the virus.

- HCQ, which is really a major piece of progress in treatment, is somehow not extensively used (and used properly) in any of the major debt-burdened countries.

By the way,there is clear evidence that hydroxychloroquine has horrible side effects,so we should NOT consider it the panacea that is going to end the pandemic and cure all infected people.

HCQ has been around for 7 decades.  Travelers to poor countries used to routinely take the drug before leaving in order to protect themselves from malaria.  Now we say it's harmful?  (BTW the Lancet study that claims HCQ has harmful side effects has just been retracted for fraudulent data -- this is just about the only major 'evidence' that HCQ is harmful.)
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I'm still in doubt about that they will put people's lives at risk just for a financial reset
The reality of what is happening right now is still shrouded in unsolved mysteries. The current set of evidence and facts is still in doubt by most of the world community. But it is not impossible Covid-19 is a very powerful weapon to be used as a rearrangement of the global financial system. If this is indeed true, Covid-19 is truly effective because its influence has damaged the global economy.

I do not really believe that this is propaganda, but whatever would be true if Covid-19 existed because the world needed improvements in the financial system, then I would say it was an extreme ideology. Killing a part of the population and making it a sacrifice to carry out a very cruel idea.

Killing to support financial and imperial agendas (the latter being an ultimate servant of the former) is far from unusual.  The US has just started a war that ended up killing half a million Syrians, in order to maintain fear by leaders around the world of the US-led imperial system.  Around a hundred years ago, World War I was joined by the US and UK, killing about a million Britons, for what?  The media is still struggling to explain.  What we do know is that the global financial bubble was moved from an over-indebted UK to a financially stronger US, while removing Germany as a threat to that bubble.

Those who are interested in more reality-based knowledge should read 'Confessions of An Economic Hit Man,' written by a former insider, on how the imperial system has really worked all along.
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Debt economy not being sustainable is obvious, yet they make it look like there is no other way. First of all let's get the reality out of the way, they always get bailed out because they pay millions of dollars in bribes to politicians on both sides and that causes the politicians to save these bankrupted companies with bail outs in order to keep getting that money. That is the reality of the situation. But, what they are using as a bait is the wrong fact that if they allow those companies to bankrupt, it will destroy the economy.

The reality is if a company is bankrupting it should be bankrupting, if that hurts the economy that is fine, at least the economy will suck for a while when those companies bankrupted and billions will be lost but will recover with companies that won't bankrupt next time around and be better in long term.
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1990 - Oil crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2000 - dot com bubble crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2008 - Banking crisis, Lehman bros, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2020 - Corona crises, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart

Debt economy is simply not sustainable, so it needs a restart every 8-10 years triggered by a volutarely created crisis.

So you mean that this current crisis is voluntary created crisis? the one you shown us is indeed a good indication that is but of the all the restart that we had this Corona virus is the most hurting and alarming,if this was created to be a restart, those who created has no conscience.

Well, I think that is a matter of perception. How many of the other crises did you witnessed and how many of those had a direct impact on your daily life? E. g. 2008 had high levels of unemployment as well, but it was just 8 years of debt economy and not 12 as we face now. Beside all that, US elections have a tendency to cause turmoil at the markets anyway, which last usually until the election is done, no matter who won.

Human life is not traded at the stock markets and therefore has no value - I don´t like that either, but it´s the truth as it seems
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A couple of weeks ago, I posted here my theory that the virus was released intentionally by China AND the Western elites to effect a reset of the global financial system.

Why China AND the western elites?Do you think that China and the western elites are working together instead of competing?There are conspiracy theories that China released the virus in order to damage the western economies,but I've never heard about your conspiracy theory.
China and Western countries are known to be a foe, and this pandemic might be a biological weapon to destroy the economic state globally (specially the US) like every other ordinary conspiracy theorist in the internet are talking about. That really made sense, considering that China has recovered after Covid-19 was declared a pandemic.

What's the point of China and the western elite actually trying to damage the world economy and kill thousands of people?
Only a psychopath can imagine such a devious plan.

I doubt the statistical records that they're showing. It seems to me that the WHO and other local/national health organizations are faking these numbers. Specially when they are cremating the corpses leaving no evidence of the real cause of death. Nevertheless, there are still a lot of questions and theories whether this is a man made pandemic or merely unintentional.
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I believe that the virus was not created by chance. Indeed, the whole world claims that the virus was developed in China, but countries are holding to the last so as not to flood China with litigation. Time will pass and countries will begin to investigate the appearance of this virus and why it was created.

They will have more time investigating, but right now, the world is focus on finding the cure, and although there has been new releases that the vaccine was already found but until it's published and ready for distribution that is the time I will believe that the cure was really invented.

The thing is, the current situation can be used by corrupt politicians to run their personal interest, and personally I have a feeling that all these are carefully plan to destroy one country while making the other improve their economy. It's a Financial Reset in the sense that small countries will struggle as they have poor facilities or poor back up for situation like this and that would significantly drove their economy down.

This pandemic really brought panic to us all, and most of the countries aren't prepared and they don't have a specific allocated budget for this event. Like in US, they are really experiencing economic crash because of the sudden spike of infected cases in their country, they use their budget without proper planning. Like in China, their economy is stable although they are the one who are suspicious in creating this pandemic but we still don't have any evidences. The no. of active cases there are only 66 as of now, but still they are nearly going back to normal. Hopefully most of the countries are now recovering from this virus and recover also financially and economically so that their will be lesser loans in the World Bank.
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Guys, I found this article. We are so vulnerable in the midst of this pandemic. I have always thought like China with all the experience it has in science and having seen the virus first hand allowed it to spread so freely. What an expert said is being fulfilled. Just months before a case of Coronavirus was known in China.

China Has More Control Over Your Prescription Drugs Than You May Think
Written by Tony Hicks on September 19, 2019

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/china-control-over-your-prescription-drugs

“If we had a pandemic and we needed drugs from another country, it could become a defense issue,” James Cassel, the co-founder of Cassel Salpeter & Co., which oversees mergers and acquisitions of healthcare companies, told Healthline. "It's scary. Tariffs are one thing. But what if they just decide not to make something available? ”
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They will have more time investigating, but right now, the world is focus on finding the cure, and although there has been new releases that the vaccine was already found but until it's published and ready for distribution that is the time I will believe that the cure was really invented.

The thing is, the current situation can be used by corrupt politicians to run their personal interest, and personally I have a feeling that all these are carefully plan to destroy one country while making the other improve their economy. It's a Financial Reset in the sense that small countries will struggle as they have poor facilities or poor back up for situation like this and that would significantly drove their economy down.

The most affected pandemic is not a small country but a country that depends on imported products for consumption, countries that have debts, countries that depend on the dollar. The higher the level of dependence on the three components, the heavier the economic recovery.

It is precisely at a time like this that it will be a little difficult to corrupt the funds allocated for a direct pandemic, because, the state will closely monitor its budget. What is wary of is the collusion carried out by unscrupulous governments who sell state sovereignty to international institutional states amidst the negligence of statesmen and people due to the pandemic.
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I believe that the virus was not created by chance. Indeed, the whole world claims that the virus was developed in China, but countries are holding to the last so as not to flood China with litigation. Time will pass and countries will begin to investigate the appearance of this virus and why it was created.

They will have more time investigating, but right now, the world is focus on finding the cure, and although there has been new releases that the vaccine was already found but until it's published and ready for distribution that is the time I will believe that the cure was really invented.

The thing is, the current situation can be used by corrupt politicians to run their personal interest, and personally I have a feeling that all these are carefully plan to destroy one country while making the other improve their economy. It's a Financial Reset in the sense that small countries will struggle as they have poor facilities or poor back up for situation like this and that would significantly drove their economy down.
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Mate, I don't know about this that you're saying here Roll Eyes. But I have been doing research on this hydroxychloroquine and from my research it's not a good treatment for Covid-19 and it doesn't work.

Though Trump did claim once that he was taking the drug to prevent him from being infected with the Covid-19 virus, and considering that some people in the white house have been infected with the virus and he's not. And it's not just about Trump, the president of China once visited those that were infected in China, and was wearing just a mask and nothing much to protect himself from being infected.

This made a lot of people say that he had a cure for it. There are lots of confusion in this case. But from my research people who were treated with hydroxychloroquine had a higher death rate, compared to those that were not treated with that drug. And other studies claim that the drug was causing QT prolongation.
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1990 - Oil crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2000 - dot com bubble crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2008 - Banking crisis, Lehman bros, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2020 - Corona crises, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart

Debt economy is simply not sustainable, so it needs a restart every 8-10 years triggered by a volutarely created crisis.

So you mean that this current crisis is voluntary created crisis? the one you shown us is indeed a good indication that is but of the all the restart that we had this Corona virus is the most hurting and alarming,if this was created to be a restart, those who created has no conscience.
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1990 - Oil crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2000 - dot com bubble crisis, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2008 - Banking crisis, Lehman bros, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart
2020 - Corona crises, recession - bailouts and discharge of debts - restart

Debt economy is simply not sustainable, so it needs a restart every 8-10 years triggered by a volutarely created crisis.
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The FDA cleared off label use, doctors have been prescribing it for emergency use. Anecdotally, there are very few who vouch for its efficacy. Observational studies and now clinical studies are raising similar questions. You can poke holes in the data all you want but without any evidence to go on and only a couple crackpots alleging a vast conspiracy, this theory isn't convincing.

I casually looked into two of the biggest local hospitals (these are renowned institutions,) and they will only allow using HCQ for hospitalized patients, if at all.  This is at least about one week too late to have any effect, according to my estimates based on Martenson's progression timetable.  Also, HCQ is merely the delivery vehicle for zinc which is really the antiviral drug, and there's no mention of zinc on the treatment strategy pages of the hospitals.  I believe the FDA only allows the use of HCQ for, as you say, emergency use only.  This is too late.  It must be started with zinc as soon as possible after symptoms appear, where in most cases patients stay home for the time being.

I have three links in the OP that help 'vouch for its efficacy.'  There are also studies in China and Brazil that I didn't include.  In addition, Indian doctors are generally in favor of it.


I don't understand why conspiracy theorists are so invested in hydroxychloroquine being a silver bullet, as if the most effective treatment was likely to be stumbled upon on Day 1. Remdesivir has similarly been a huge disappointment.

There's no need to speculate like this when you have so much data in support of HCQ.  We are where we are, by luck or whatever.  Of course, nothing is good enough for the US political establishment and media, who demand formalized (and apparently slow) studies.  And guess what, the next major US HCQ studies, just as the last two, don't take into account time of treatment and zinc, i.e. they're designed to fail.  In fact, the Lancet study doesn't allow the public to review its raw data, to independently verify there is no cherry-picking of patients, etc.

I have not seen a rebuttal of the arguments by Martenson and Raoult.

You're appealing to their authority and taking their words as gospel. I can't waste any more time watching this Martenson guy's videos where he surfs the internet, makes ridiculous unfounded conclusions based on random Medium articles, and acts like it's evidence of a vast conspiracy. You can't rebut that, which is why nobody bothers.

What we get from Martenson's videos are pages from the reports of 'mainstream' studies.  He highlights the text he finds interesting, including sometimes the study's own indirect admission of its limitations.  He has a doctorate in pathology and is well placed to understand these studies in detail.  I don't take anyone's words as gospel, but when you have a set of published mainstream studies (which are more than well publicized by the media), and he is able to dive into them and show you how they're really invalid, you really would have to go into his reporting and show how he's wrong.

To me, it really is pretty simple.  It doesn't take a genius to understand that if a study doesn't compare HCQ, as administered properly, vs non-HCQ approaches, it's invalid for its purpose.  (In the VA study the patients tend to receive their HCQ too late, and the Lancet study openly refuses to release their raw data.  Raoult claims there are funny patterns in the published data of that study that arouse suspicion.  Also, the alleged adverse effects on the heart by HCQ seem possible to be explained by the late-stage status of the HCQ patients, whose hearts had already been damaged by the virus.)

No 'random Medium articles' are needed.  Agreed?


This picture you're trying to paint where the entire medical industry can be controlled like puppets on strings also just isn't believable.

This much seems clear at this point: all it takes to stifle HCQ in the US is to author a couple of hit-piece studies, and for the FDA to approve HCQ for emergency use only (at least in the case of hospitals.)  By the time 'emergency' happens, the patient is too far along for HCQ to help.  Therefore, no well-publicized data of its efficacy and safety.

Raoult's open letter is co-signed by several pages' worth of names-institutions of physicians across the world.  These are just doctors who are aware of him.  So you're right, it's impossible to control the entire medical profession.  I'm confident that HCQ-zinc will eventually emerge at least as one of the major treatments.  Unfortunately, many will have died unnecessarily and, if my theory is right, the elites will have had time for their financial reset.


It's just like when a flat earther claims NASA satellite images must be photoshopped and that they alone have the authority to decide the veracity of their claims, and that these allegedly photoshopped images are proof that the earth is flat. It's totally circular logic with no proof involved.

We need more than a couple crackpots asking some unanswered questions and speculating.

There's no need to 'allege' photoshopping when the images themselves tell you they're photoshopped.

Ultimately, how do you decide whose word is closer to the truth?  The Western establishment, including the media?  Or independent and/or anti-establishment voices?  Let's take a peek at the tip of an iceberg.

It's not disputable that Martenson came out in late January to say this virus will cause huge death tolls.  Let's not forget this was a time when the entire Western world of governments, plus China and Japan, were minimizing the problem as much as possible, and when the entire mainstream media repeated their misinformation as is.  ("5 cases in the US" when testing was almost totally missing in action, for example.)

Going back just a little further, when Syria's President Assad openly defied the US-led global order, the US started a war that ended up killing half a million Syrians.  If we are to believe the mainstream media, high-minded idealists such as Hillary Clinton and John Brennan were happy to spend enormous time, effort, budget and political capital simply to realize the dream of freedom and democracy in the Middle East, where rebels had spontaneously sprung up against Assad, initially armed with nothing but their courage.

Later in the conflict, leaked documents from the OPCW itself showed that its own investigators in one incident found Assad did not use chemical weapons, as claimed by the West.  The Western media immediately suffered a severe case of silence.

Going back further, when the US helped Saddam Hussein use chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war, the mainstream media was silent.  (After Saddam turned from friend to enemy, every time a chemical-weapon accusation was leveled at him by the US, it was always with the addendum 'on his own people.'  I always wondered why, but I now see!)

Going way back to the immediate postwar era, if you read 'Confessions of An Economic Hit Man,' you'll see that small, weak, and poor countries were forced, yes forced, to borrow US dollars in amounts that the US knew they could never repay.  Once they incurred the debt, their entire populations would become an artificially cheap source of labor for the US (to help boost the value of the dollar,) their economies subject to severe boom-bust cycles, and their governments forced to toe the US line.  If it were not for a book written by a former insider, you think we would still be informed by something like a CNN investigative report?

Let's just say, it's not certain that the Western mainstream media should be trusted by default.
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I believe that the virus was not created by chance. Indeed, the whole world claims that the virus was developed in China, but countries are holding to the last so as not to flood China with litigation. Time will pass and countries will begin to investigate the appearance of this virus and why it was created.
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Looking at what Donald Trump said in his latest Press briefing, it hints at China blocking travel to major cities within China from Wuhan when it was first discovered that there were a breakout of Covid-19 but no restrictions was placed on travel to any other country. So it looks like China wanted to curb the spread of the virus in their country and not into other countries.  Angry

We all know that China wants to be the economic power house of the world, so it would make sense that they would want this virus to spread to the rest of the world and not within China. ( I am afraid that this strategy ..back fired on them, because this outbreak ruined their reputation in the rest of the world. People will always say that the outbreak started in China and that they hid this from the world. )

The question... was this a financial reset or the spark of a global recession.  Huh
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We have been seeing a lot of discussions about this conspiracy theory and I'm almost believing all these since its very timely to see how much finance has changed and then there is also politics and China is also winning the game. The elites want to reset the financial system to make them on top still while planing a war in Asia, this is what I've read on a facebook post  Cheesy

There was an article that Obama was the one who moved the virus laboratory which was actually from the US to then moved to Wuhan China. I don't know how the truth about it but this article comes up.
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Covid-19 has totally affecting the world economy globally, with little experience both Government and citizen of different nation's has experienced, clear evidence has showed that financial capabilities of Nation's has been reset totally. For each country by now should have at least plan for any future occurrence of such pandemic that might brake out in future and to boost the economy stage of the country just not to go into recession in future..
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