Topic: Most people could live past 130 if they choose to, while aging very little (Read 1515 times)

I think the genetic lottery is a huge, huge factor.

I myself am a fat fuck, have smoked 20-50 unfiltered cigs a day for over twenty years, hardly ever exercise and mainly eat junk.

At 40 there is a not a single line anywhere on my face or a grey or receding hair on my head. People I've grown up with who've led far cleaner lives could easily pass for a decade older than me.

I don't think it sounds unreasonable. Think of a truck and how the driver will be sitting on one side. Even when the Sun is on the other side of the truck, the side of his face that is away from the window will be shielded by the roof and windshield of the truck (since glass is mostly opaque to UV radiation).


Yes. Most of the signs of visible aging is due to photoaging caused by exposure to the Sun.

Here's the same picture posted above but in mirrored form:



The mechanisms are a bit different though but the end result is pretty much the same. UV exposure causes deterioration of collagen and elastin fibers which is what gives youthful skin its smoothness and firmness. The changes that a raisin experiences has got much more to do with the loss of moisture and less to do with UV damage although loss of moisture is something that also affects aged human skin too.


The skins of grapes also contain resveratrol which might have age inhibiting properties (although the research isn't entirely conclusive).

Calorie restriction is probably the most promising method of increasing longevity but whether or not it actually works on humans is unknown. It doesn't work for some species apparently and it works much better in rats than in mice for example:

http://www.nia.nih.gov/health/publication/can-we-prevent-aging

It might be worth looking at examples of people who don't seem to have aged a lot too. Jared Leto, for example, is a vegan who is chronologically 45 but looks closer to 28-32:

Regarding grapes, grape seed extract is one of the best common antioxidants. You can get it rather inexpensively, in bulk, from http://www.herbstoreusa.com/gs-100g.html. But be careful that you don't take too much at once - 1 or 2 tenths of a teaspoon at a time, mixed in your nutrient smoothie. The stuff is bitter as all get-out. Did you ever chew a grape seed?

Sunscreens actually do a pretty good job of "deflecting" the sun's rays. Those that use titanium dioxide aren't soaked into the skin(It covers it), destroying any argument skeptics have of "dangerous chemicals being absorbed".

I'd say using a good sunscreen(fps 30+) is all you need to enjoy time in the sun without worrying about having major damage done to your skin.

P.S. A common analogy used is comparing the human skin to a grape. Now human skin is vastly more protected than that of a grape, but leave a grape out in the sun for a while and it turns into a dried, wrinkly raisin. Over time, due to excessive exposure to the sun, human skin will eventually begin to dry up and form wrinkles just like that grape did as it turned into a raisin.

For a lot of great nutrition info, and some law info as well, listen to this Karl Lentz, almost 5-hour, audio - http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-127469/TS-971269.mp3.

Karl starts the talk out. It is a rather friendly, general conversation. It gets into nutrition right at the start, throws a little law in, and continues with nutrition to the end.

Somewhere about 2 fifths into the thing, Karl goes off the air, and lets the other guys finish up with a lot of nutrition stuff. Relax when Karl looses his cool.

Can't wait to read more - as this thread matures...

Now that is quite something. I do my best to avoid the sun as much as possible. It's been a lifelong aversion. Anyone who seeks it out kinda deserves what they get. It's pretty clear what'll happen to them.

Looks to be quite a difference.

he never took turns?

or he never came back the same road on the other side

I get your point, but this..

damn, how do you always drive with the same side facing the sun

Words can't express the amount of mental face-palms I've done while reading your paragraphs.

1) Nutrition and dietary factors have a negligible to no effect on the outwards appearance of skin, incase you didn't know, Wrinkles form primarily because of skin dryness coupled with loss of collagen that results in your skin losing it's "bounce back" ability, meaning that it can no longer regain it's former shape when pulled, or when you smile or frown(Hence smile/frown lines and crowlines etc). The vast majority of collagen loss and damage comes not from aging, but from UVA/UVB rays given off by the Sun.

2) Yes, different racial groups have different genetic makeups, but they are not enough to actually make the distinction of being different races. Race when it comes to humans is what we call a social construct. You should look into genetics.

Everything and I mean everything you've said is false... This guy below worked 28 years as a truck driver, and the sun would constantly hit the left side of his face while driving. These are the results of constant UVA/UVB rays hitting one's face daily for 28 years:


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/06/06/bill-mcelligott-sun-damage_n_1573546.html

Eat a lot of antioxidants

Oxygen makes us age

Aronia is great !
It has plenty of antioxidants and it's healthy as fuck
I'm growing one in my backyard 

1L of it's juice costs 30ish$ 

I'v also planted 1 goji, good and tasty

The most antioxidants in common fruits is the plum
Plums have plenty of them, and I have around 6-7 plums
But they're old as fuck and don't give much fruit, we planted them to make rakija, not for the antioxidants

That's just to slow down your aging process, however other organs will give up on you early if you don't take care of them

You need to run, practice, keep your body active&healthy to live a long life
Cut back on cigarettes and don't drink excesivelly

I'm not doing very good with this, I live a sedentary lifestyle and there's too little of this fruit to make a difference
It's not very cheap to buy though, good idea if you have extra money to spare

No dude. You are. Like I said, you are basing your opinions on mainstream fluff cultural opinions on these matters.
You must be reading from Cosmopolitan magazine haha. If you aren't, then you are parroting the same BS of so called "settled science".
I've helped some aging women get rid of their wrinkles by increasing collagen production and providing dietary/supplementary options
to increase the amount of UVA/UVB blockage in the skin(skin actually needs UV exposure, but this process of exposure is tightly regulated
and prone to reduced function with age and nutritional deficiencies of course). Ever heard of carotinoids? I guess not. This is only one of many things
that greatly reduce solar emissions from damaging DNA. The sun is NOT the biggest factor in skin aging. That is a bunch of propaganda
for those who are unaware of how to properly nourish their body. Common sense would tell you if you've looked at sun exposure,
age, ethnicity and diet, that collagen level decline with age is not consistent across the populations of the world. As well as other
sun exposure protecting factors. It is a fact that you can freely look up, that metal based sun block increases risk of cancer. Well duh!
Many of these sun screen creams and sprays act like solar panels to an extent, and energetically overload the cells causing
reduced function and proneness to malignancy. Learn about electronegativity and photon interaction. Mind blow.

There is a lovely saying "you are a racist if you haven't educated yourself as to why you're not". Now I'm not
calling you a racist obviously, but to be so ignorant of aging traits across various ethnic groups for example is
somewhat racially insensitive. You certainly had a hard settled opinion about at least one ethnic group in
mind when you said what you did. Or are you the silly type who bought into the phrase created by a
wonderful gentleman of Jewish ancestry who said "race is only skin deep". Who later recanted this statement
and based on genetic facts, made a statement about how Jews are an ethnically distinct people. As are all major
and minor ethnic groups. And no, I do not agree with other views this said gentleman has if you care to find him.
I just loved how a phrase that so many use and agree with came from a known racist.
 

While I don't get into race baiting and all that stuff, it is part of my understanding because if I am to share
true knowledge on what I know, I must be sensitive to the biological differences of others. Race is not skin deep.
And nutrition absorption and assimilation are not the same for all peoples. So I must be cognizant of this fact
in order for all people to benefit from what I wish to share.

I am not the next guy trying to sell snake oil or the next life extension product. I will warn people about this later on
as this thread matures. I know full well of what is coming in the future for products relating to what I talk about
and I know how to filter out the fakes and frauds, or simply inefficient things. I could do without you trying to distort the
concepts I am attempting to elaborate on for the benefit of others. You are always welcome to continue with your
comments. I appreciate you as much as everyone else.

This horseshit smells similar to the Secret.

Do you have any kind of evidence to support your claims?

Unfortunately you're entirely wrong. The older you age the less collagen your skin has so your statament of " I have seen many resthome patients who are 60-90 with baby smooth skin" is hopelessly false. It's been proven time and time again that dietary habits and nutrition does nothing for the appearance of your skin. The biggest factors of skin aging is The Sun, UVA/UVB Rays, and Nicotine(Smoking). The Sun destroys the collagen that keeps your skin plump and smooth in appearance, and Nicotine restricts the blood vessels in your skin leading it to become more prone to dryness and subsequent wrinkles.

Healthy Living only does so much to improve your lifespan, by a few measly years. Of course that is important as it's better to be generally healthy and fit that unhealthy and restricted(physically). But, when it comes to actually improving your lifespan itself, it doesn't do much and certainly not 130+ years and above like the OP has mentioned. I really hope you guys don't believe in that nonsense that has been refuted time and time again, but it more seems like the OP is one of those snakeoil salesmen trying to sell the next "life extension product" to gain a few bucks(Would also explain why he refuses to elaborate on any of his "points").

Look into natural salt vs processed salt. Be amazed. Try some Himalayan pink salt. Processed salts are very toxic over time.

Don't find it too interesting? Go get yourself some spring or RO water and add a pinch of pink salt. Enough so that
it's not salty, but rather smooth with a mild hint of close to being salty. Have some before you go to bed and when you
wake up. It is extra important to flush your body with structured water each morning. Pink salt and other trace mineral
rich substances are very economical ways to maintain and improve health. You'll feel it in 1 - 3 days of doing this.
But it has to be done on an empty stomach. At least 2 hours after a meal, preferably 4 hours. If taking when you
awaken, wait an hour before you eat.

Yes, besides I don't think that guy knew what he was talking about because everybody needs some salt and meats to survive. Maybe he was talking about certain types of meat but any meat that's fresh is generally good for you in moderation.

Not so fast. I would love to oblige you, but I rather you learn of my honesty and insight first.
I am the real deal, but I can be anyone and full of crap so stay tuned. There are just too many
human expressions that have been belittled through fraudulent top-down approved cultural manipulations.
This is too good of a topic for me to lie or troll.


Your opinion is based on mainstream science and culture. Mostly for money grabbing and TV fluff leading people with
false hope and steering them into the hands of the Administrative State ultimately. I am well aware of the
concepts you have mentioned, but this is only part of the awareness required for what I will elaborate on in
this thread.

By the way, how many times have you been in resthomes to study the elderly? I have seen many resthome
patients who are 80 - 90 with baby smooth skin and less wrinkles than a 50 year old. These people unfortunately
have been captured by the state and have little opportunity to be aware of their own biology. Now imagine the worst
case scenario of my interest, where if these same people were well nourished via modern nutritional understandings
for most of their life on top of their genetic predisposition to look fairly healthy at such ages. There are great changes
available for people now! But you must be willing to deprogram yourself and expand your conscious awareness. Its
a growing and learning experience.


So you take the views of one individual and settle your mind? How far is this thought process from racism? Normalcy
bias much? But fear not good sir. You see, I don't need to talk like the fellow you mentioned. Indeed you can still
enjoy all kinds of unhealthy things and still outlive others in better health very much. The issue is balance. So for example,
if you enjoy highly acidic foods which are lethal for the body over time, you could easily mitigate this issue via proper
alkalization techniques. Alkalization is another topic that has much misinterpretations surrounding it. You can't just
brute-force your body into an alkaline state and expect to be safe for long. This can be dangerous. You have to instead provide the ingredients that body is programmed to use so that it can produce the proper cellular environment on it's own.

There is no need for you to approach this concept with the spirit of rebellion, as implied by you "obeying your orders". I think along higher thought processes than this regarding this topic and you have nothing to loose by
keeping your eyes open a little longer on some people and concepts so that you can notice more things.
I can make an opinion about you that you have allot of positive energy pent up, but would like more ways
to use it. Well here you go. I will do my best to encourage you.



This is not entirely true. There are many poor people who outlive the ultra rich and in great health.
For example, by hydrating properly and avoiding food damaging techniques such as high heat and
microwave ovens, you would end up saving money by actually absorbing more nutrient content and alleviating
the body of the toxic conditions produced by bad cooking practices. This choice does not necessarily require
an unrealistic amount of money. Proper nutrition results in less stress being experienced. The brain is a very
sensitive organ and uses the most amount of energy in the body. It only makes sense but to focus on keeping
it nourished, as it controls all major organs in the body via bidirectional nerve communication and chemical
processes.

The brain needs lots of healthy fats in order to properly expend and replenish it's energy. This has allot to
do with the perception of stress. There is much more I could say on this but for now, try working on expanding
the ways in which you perceive information. There is no need to think with a limited thought process just because
you feel settled and confident at yourself. New studies come out daily in the world of biology, so really even what
I say has the potential to be very relative. As more data comes out, I assimilate it into my thoughts. If there wasn't
relevant data available, or the ability of myself to perceive data as relevant, then this thread wouldn't even exist.

Your greatest excitements are always yet to be realized. So don't miss out on potential new ones as they become
available to your faculties and soon to be faculties. Take your time to deeply study nutrition for years. If you have
kids for example, take a guess at what has a higher potential to exist for them and you when their organs are developed
in the most pristine conditions. This is another subject I could go into. Raising super geniuses with consistency.


He is a great researcher to learn from. However, don't settle your views on just one person. I know very much
about the type of research he is involved in, but I know other areas of research that can be compounded for
even greater realizations of just how long we can live and age less.

That's exactly the point. A few years ago, I happened to listen to someone who advocated healthy living. He argued that if we want longevity, then we should avoid tobacco, alcohol, fast food, salt, sugar, cheese, french fries, all types of meat, fish, butter, coca cola... and some 8,745 other food items. I said "No, thanks. I prefer to live up to 80 years of age, eating and drinking whatever I want rather than living up to 100 years and obeying your orders."

Healthy living only does so much to extend your life, nowhere near the "past 130 if they choose to", and you will age accordingly(So you will be "old and wrinkly" at age 90 for example no matter how healthy you are).

The only things I know of that can actually potentially reverse or temporary stop aging is Stem cells, nanomedicine(Such as enzymes that somehow "replenish" cells, or discovering how to apply Henrietta Lack's "immortal cells" to stop aging in everyone else(As telomores are thought to be the thing that as they shrink do to every cell splitting, cause aging of the cell and eventual death of said cell, that's ceased however in the case of "immortal cells").

Then there's robotics and the prospect of "transforming" the human body with robotic machinery.

OP sounds good indeed almost too good to be true . Well, let's talk about business. So, where's your site and how we can order the necessary supplements and the book about the eternal life today only for $46 instead of $176 ?

BTW a free tip form me: alcohol and smoking are both preservatives...