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Topic: Mother of 15 Kids: “Somebody needs to pay for all my children." - page 4. (Read 6692 times)
December 02, 2011, 03:05:55 AM
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December 02, 2011, 02:48:19 AM
Oh look, another example of capitalism working out wonderfully in theory even though it repeatedly fails in the real world. Why don't you ask some of those early 20th century American coal miners how easy it was for them to work their way up to management or save up enough to start a business and listen to them laugh their asses off (well, I mean, if they hadn't died of black lung 70 years ago).
I notice, too, that the DUI thing continues to go unanswered, so I'll just assume that you're the type of person who likes to ignore his own blatantly contradictory beliefs rather than try to confront them and figure out why they conflict. A hardline, uncompromising ideology is always more important than logic and common sense, right?
I notice, too, that the DUI thing continues to go unanswered, so I'll just assume that you're the type of person who likes to ignore his own blatantly contradictory beliefs rather than try to confront them and figure out why they conflict. A hardline, uncompromising ideology is always more important than logic and common sense, right?
December 02, 2011, 02:37:23 AM
He would if the choice was between that, a dozen other jobs exactly like that, or starving to death. We know this because it has actually happened, unlike your fairytale capitalism that could never exist. But hey, at least he had a choice! That's freedom, baby! I can choose to die in the coal mines or the salt mines!
It's irrational to assume this would happen in a free society. Obviously nobody likes working in such places. The only people who would are those with no valuable skills. Of course, after working, in say, a salt mine for a year or two one would then gain the skills to move up: the individual gained value and is thus more desirable. Anybody could desire him whether it be an individual with capital or a company. Obviously not everybody would start at the bottom rung of the latter.
I honestly don't see anything wrong with starting out with a crappy job and working your way up. That's what most factory workers do in India: they work for a period or two then save up to start their own business. To me that is freedom.
December 02, 2011, 02:34:51 AM
He would if the choice was between that, a dozen other jobs exactly like that, or starving to death. We know this because it has actually happened, unlike your fairytale capitalism that could never exist. But hey, at least he had a choice! That's freedom, baby! I can choose to die in the coal mines or the salt mines!
December 02, 2011, 02:21:09 AM
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I have yet to be killed; I am still winning.
You don't deserve to die. You deserve to live as a wage slave in a libertarian dystopia for another 60 or 70 years and then drop dead on the eve of your first day off from work in a decade.
Heh, no worker would oblige to such conditions. Maybe in North Korea where there is no choice.
December 02, 2011, 02:13:12 AM
It's funny how all the friends I have that live in double-wide trailers are Libertarians.
No, it's not funny, just sad that people can be so easily misled into supporting things that would make their current standard of living objectively worse.
And of course, it doesn't really help with trying to dodge my point for the third or fourth time, but then we all know you don't argue very honestly.
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I have yet to be killed; I am still winning.
You don't deserve to die. You deserve to live as a wage slave in a libertarian dystopia for another 60 or 70 years and then drop dead on the eve of your first day off from work in a decade.
December 02, 2011, 02:09:53 AM
I have yet to be killed; I am still winning.
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December 02, 2011, 02:05:25 AM
You speak of evolution. Yes, morality is just preferences... You seek fairness, I seek the ultimate sentient being this planet has yet to see.
I want the power to be exclusively in the hands of the individual. I dream of each man being a god. That is all I wish to achieve. Morality is irrelevant when every man can stand on his own two feet without being phased by those who try to be above him.
Anyways, morality is just preferences. I only treat them as such. If you truly want to win, get an army -- or become one.
I treat every individual as a god for that's who I want them to be.
Atlas, you could killed so easily. You're a loud mouthed high school kid that posts his personal information on the internet. Does that mean that the killer is more 'fit' than you, or that you're not 'fit' enough to live?
You want to live in peace, you need to sacrifice. You don't want peace. Why don't you just get it over with an assassinate someone like you're going to do in a few years anyway.
December 02, 2011, 01:58:55 AM
You speak of evolution. Yes, morality is just preferences... You seek fairness, I seek the ultimate sentient being this planet has yet to see.
I want the power to be exclusively in the hands of the individual. I dream of each man being a god. That is all I wish to achieve. Morality is irrelevant when every man can stand on his own two feet without being phased by those who try to be above him.
Anyways, morality is just preferences. I only treat them as such. If you truly want to win, get an army -- or become one.
I treat every individual as a god for that's who I want them to be.
December 02, 2011, 01:54:34 AM
One of the most peculiar things I have encountered is the concept of morality. Everyone has their own version, yet everyone thinks everyone else should agree with them on the fundamentals. I eventually realized, after pondering the subject for a little bit, that morality is subjective in the extreme. Where do your rights come from? Did the flying spaghetti monster come down from the sky and give them to you? Why should I recognize your rights? Indeed, why should a system of morals be consistent at all? Morality is what you think is fair.
Morality comes from your conscience, which comes from evolution. It isn't meant to be rational.
To me, coercion is justified in these circumstances, because I believe in fairness of opportunity. To you, Atlas, it is not, because you believe in a set of fundamental rights. Still others, such as Marxists and socialists, believe in equality of outcomes.
And you know what? We can debate all night long but in the end neither of us is right. We're merely talking past each other.
Morality comes from your conscience, which comes from evolution. It isn't meant to be rational.
To me, coercion is justified in these circumstances, because I believe in fairness of opportunity. To you, Atlas, it is not, because you believe in a set of fundamental rights. Still others, such as Marxists and socialists, believe in equality of outcomes.
And you know what? We can debate all night long but in the end neither of us is right. We're merely talking past each other.
December 02, 2011, 01:53:55 AM
It's funny how all the friends I have that live in double-wide trailers are Libertarians.
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December 02, 2011, 01:49:50 AM
What the fuck are you talking about? Just because you attempt to write like the poor man's version of a wordy 19th century author doesn't mean you have any sympathy for an actual poor man, and neither does it disguise the fact that you harbor nothing but contempt for him.
You have a clear double standard, a great example of which I pointed out in your thread about drunk driving, but you decided to ignore that post and then stopped posting in the thread once I asked you why you were ignoring it.
You have a clear double standard, a great example of which I pointed out in your thread about drunk driving, but you decided to ignore that post and then stopped posting in the thread once I asked you why you were ignoring it.
Double standard indeed. Have you ever known someone that made you jump through hoops, call for, email for, and finally register a company just to claim a 'gift'?
December 02, 2011, 01:34:03 AM
What the fuck are you talking about? Just because you attempt to write like the poor man's version of a wordy 19th century author doesn't mean you have any sympathy for an actual poor man, and neither does it disguise the fact that you harbor nothing but contempt for him.
You have a clear double standard, a great example of which I pointed out in your thread about drunk driving, but you decided to ignore that post and then stopped posting in the thread once I asked you why you were ignoring it.
You have a clear double standard, a great example of which I pointed out in your thread about drunk driving, but you decided to ignore that post and then stopped posting in the thread once I asked you why you were ignoring it.
December 02, 2011, 01:23:52 AM
Somebody has to care for them to want to enslave people to have these children cared for. Otherwise, they would be left to die. The fact that it's an issue shows they will be cared for. It's only a matter of expressing that compassion morally without tyranny. In the end, if violence has to occur, it's only due to laziness from the people who send the brutes to get the children cared for.
There are an estimated 30 million real, actual, no-foolin' slaves left in the world. By claiming that a billionaire who pays 15% tax on his capital gains is in the same league with them, and spending 99% of your time complaining about his "plight" while ignoring the real slaves, you pretty much make yourself out to be a disgusting piece of shit.
A man chooses and a slave obeys; that is the only thing that separates the two. I prefer man to have unilateral choice over his life regardless of wealth. I judge men by the content of their character, their sentience and their unalienable rights -- not by their arbitrary wealth.
I care not if a man lives in luxury and happiness nor if he lives in a box and glum: I will defend his right to himself until the very end.
December 02, 2011, 01:20:49 AM
Somebody has to care for them to want to enslave people to have these children cared for. Otherwise, they would be left to die. The fact that it's an issue shows they will be cared for. It's only a matter of expressing that compassion morally without tyranny. In the end, if violence has to occur, it's only due to laziness from the people who send the brutes to get the children cared for.
There are an estimated 30 million real, actual, no-foolin' slaves left in the world. By claiming that a billionaire who pays 15% tax on his capital gains is in the same league with them, and spending 99% of your time complaining about his "plight" while ignoring the real slaves, you pretty much make yourself out to be a disgusting piece of shit.
December 02, 2011, 01:16:56 AM
Children should be given equal opportunities in life regardless of their parents' decisions. Though the mother is clearly an idiot for saying that "someone should be held accountable" (you mean yourself? idiot), the children should not have to suffer for her lack of responsibility. If nobody is willing to support them voluntarily, then I must argue that this is one of the few cases where the coercion of the state is necessary and justified, not to guarantee equality of outcome, but to guarantee equality of opportunity for these kids.
However, the mother should not get a single cent for her irresponsible actions.
However, the mother should not get a single cent for her irresponsible actions.
Somebody has to care for them to want to enslave people to have these children cared for. Otherwise, they would be left to die. The fact that it's an issue shows they will be cared for. It's only a matter of expressing that compassion morally without tyranny. In the end, if violence has to occur, it's only due to laziness from the people who send the brutes to get the children cared for. It's uncalled for. If you "care" so much about the children, go care for them yourself but don't force anybody else to do it.
In the end, it's just a desire: you want the children cared for. You may also want your lawn mowed and a steak; that doesn't justify violence to achieve these ends.
December 02, 2011, 01:10:17 AM
Children should be given equal opportunities in life regardless of their parents' decisions. Though the mother is clearly an idiot for saying that "someone should be held accountable" (you mean yourself? idiot), the children should not have to suffer for her lack of responsibility. If nobody is willing to support them voluntarily, then I must argue that this is one of the few cases where the coercion of the state is necessary and justified, not to guarantee equality of outcome, but to guarantee equality of opportunity for these kids.
However, the mother should not get a single cent for her irresponsible actions.
However, the mother should not get a single cent for her irresponsible actions.
December 02, 2011, 12:42:33 AM
I guess the question to you Alpha, is... What do you do with the children if she can't take care of them?
They die, of course. People have been dying for thousands of years. You think people back in prehistoric times complained about dying? Hell no! So what's the big deal?
December 02, 2011, 12:40:50 AM
Slavery is freedom and taxes are slavery.
If I say this dumb shit in literally every post I make, it will come true.
P.S. I have never actually paid taxes
If I say this dumb shit in literally every post I make, it will come true.
P.S. I have never actually paid taxes
December 02, 2011, 12:28:57 AM
If she believes that the state is responsible because her husband was mistreated by the state regarding his arrest I would understand the part where she says that someone should be accountable.
I'm having a hard time picturing her and her husband (who we know so little about) raising these 15 children. I suppose that she was a full time mom, so she didn't have time to earn an income beyond what the husband brought home.
I guess the question to you Alpha, is... What do you do with the children if she can't take care of them?
If a dollar a day will help a child in Africa, couldn't it help a child in North America?
I'm having a hard time picturing her and her husband (who we know so little about) raising these 15 children. I suppose that she was a full time mom, so she didn't have time to earn an income beyond what the husband brought home.
I guess the question to you Alpha, is... What do you do with the children if she can't take care of them?
It's okay Alpha, we all know it's going to destabilize.
This is the Bitcoin forum. No bail-outs, no charge-backs, no way back if you get hacked. We prepare to live by hard rules and build on them. If you want to warn people of what's ahead... I guess this forum doesn't really need the warning.
What I find strange is that the topic is shunned in many places. People like to say it's possible to support everyone under all circumstances, but they mostly mean to support selected people in rich countries only, leaving the rest to die. To me, personally, there is no reason to support children in the USA or Europe any more than those in Sudan, Zimbabwe or wherever. And that means we require an idea how to solve things globally. Piling debt to delay a collapse is no valid strategy.
Game theory is brutal, it will eliminate the entire setup within few generations.
This is the Bitcoin forum. No bail-outs, no charge-backs, no way back if you get hacked. We prepare to live by hard rules and build on them. If you want to warn people of what's ahead... I guess this forum doesn't really need the warning.
What I find strange is that the topic is shunned in many places. People like to say it's possible to support everyone under all circumstances, but they mostly mean to support selected people in rich countries only, leaving the rest to die. To me, personally, there is no reason to support children in the USA or Europe any more than those in Sudan, Zimbabwe or wherever. And that means we require an idea how to solve things globally. Piling debt to delay a collapse is no valid strategy.
Game theory is brutal, it will eliminate the entire setup within few generations.
If a dollar a day will help a child in Africa, couldn't it help a child in North America?
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