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Quote from: Koal-84 on January 29, 2022, 11:46:23 AM

A little surprise, Honda is now building the engines for RedBull until 2025 and not only until 2022 as planned. I think this is very good news for RedBull and they can now concentrate fully on the next season and defending the title.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/neuer-motorenplan-bei-red-bull-honda-uebernimmt-noch-bis-2025-22012801

Well, the engine progress is stopped until 2025/2026 so in the end, Honda needs only to press buttons on the CNC machine to get the work done.

However Redbull and other teams can work on upgrading the electrical engine part.

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I just realized that F1 is the type of "sport" that people do not talk about in the sports world. I know that we are used to seeing sports being done by people and only people, so when a machine gets in the way everyone talks about how it is a "racing" thing and not a sports thing but I feel like it is still sports. I mean these drivers lose so much weight every single time they go out there, we all remember many times when the water was not given because of some malfunction to many racers and they almost passed out from sweating and losing weight and no water.

So, these are athletes as well, and they are doing a sport, just because it was a race and they had a machine doesn't mean they are not athletes. This stigma should be broken, they are the best at what they do in the entire world, and they should be considered highly regarded just like football or basketball players.

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Quote from: bestcoins1 on January 30, 2022, 04:00:18 AM

There had been rumors about the cancellation of the pre-season test for MotoGP at the Sepang circuit due to the Covid-19 pandemic, but today I read the news that the pre-season test schedule will take place as usual.
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It seems like in my country the new variant has started to spread, but this is not as much as the first time. If this is cancelled of course I am sad, I hope the test and the race will continue. Because of this maybe I'm going to race in my country, in Mandalika. After being used in the WSBK event last year, I think Mandalika is ready to host this year's Moto GP. Although there is bad news about some employees who are on duty during wsbk but they have overcome it. I don't think there will be any problems that let the riders, the team and Dorna down. Indeed, currently through local media phak circuit managers still continue to add existing facilities to meet international circuit standards that have been issued by Dorna. There is still about a month more, I think Mandalika will be ready to host MotoGP.

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Quote from: alegotardo on January 30, 2022, 06:41:40 PM

I don't understand why people talk so much about Sebastian Vettel's name as a possible replacement for Hamilton.
I honestly can't believe that Hammilton will leave F1 despite the problems that occurred last season, but if that is the case, my bets on a replacement go to Pierre Gasly, one of the highlights of Formula 1 in recent years and, whenever he can, reveals dissatisfaction with Red Bull for leaving him at AlphaTauri, or Esteban Ocon, who has had a connection with Mercedes since the middle of the last decade.

That is mainly because most of the people who got into this sport are around my age or older, sure there are newer and younger generations these days but the 30+ or even 40+ year olds that watch it are a big demographic of it. Which means they have seen Schumacher race, and that was with Ferrari mostly.

So, when Vettel got that many championships with Red Bull and switched to Ferrari later on, they saw him as the next coming, and that is why they loved him, plus he was the first one to actually test Hamilton as well, with a car that is nearly 0.5+ seconds faster, Hamilton managed to get the title but Vettel made it closer than it should be.

Hence, we all love Vettel and if Hamilton leaves, then seeing Vettel in the best possible car would be lovely thing to do. Combine that with the fact that he is driving a car that is beneath his talents, everyone wants to see him race in a great car before he retires.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 31, 2022, 08:53:45 AM

^ Yeah Mercedes to be the favorite to win both championships is really expected. But Ferrari having the car to go for second, not too sure with RBR def having the chance to compete for first. I mean if it’s either Mercedes or Red Bull that go win the whole thing it means Ferrari just goes for third at best. But the gap between who ever’s third and Merc - RBR could be way smaller because of the new specs. So we’ll see... I’m hoping for an interesting and surprising season... With a twist. But that’s too much to ask. Lol.

Honestly, considering the fact that it was closer between RBR and Mercedes this year, and considering there will be new cars coming up next season if something unexpected happens, then this is the season for it. We still do not know what will happen, maybe Mercedes will still dominate because they have the engine for it and the engine is a major part of the deal, we all remember how Hamilton did when he had a small change in his engine, dude went from 20th to 1st in a weekend thanks to it. So I do not know if I would expect Mercedes to be worse. But with the new cars, we could expect others to get better and that could make things more interesting.

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^ Yeah Mercedes to be the favorite to win both championships is really expected. But Ferrari having the car to go for second, not too sure with RBR def having the chance to compete for first. I mean if it’s either Mercedes or Red Bull that go win the whole thing it means Ferrari just goes for third at best. But the gap between who ever’s third and Merc - RBR could be way smaller because of the new specs. So we’ll see... I’m hoping for an interesting and surprising season... With a twist. But that’s too much to ask. Lol.

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I miss Formula 1 so much but I don't miss the last race of the season. Honestly, I can't wait for teams to show up and present their cars as I have a feeling that this year Ferrari will come with a great car to compete at least for 2nd place as I do still believe that Mercedes will rise from the ash and win everything this year.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on January 29, 2022, 11:46:23 AM

A little surprise, Honda is now building the engines for RedBull until 2025 and not only until 2022 as planned. I think this is very good news for RedBull and they can now concentrate fully on the next season and defending the title.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/neuer-motorenplan-bei-red-bull-honda-uebernimmt-noch-bis-2025-22012801

Yup just heard about this one. Verstappen’s win of the driver’s championship could’ve encouraged them to push for another three years and prolly try to win the constructor’s championship? It’s very possible imho. And Honda prolly discovered something they could do in line with the 2022 specs. Can’t wait for testing! Grin

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Nope and who would wish that on anybody? I’m just make a point and saying did you guys notice Raikonnen’s driving last season? His reflexes aren’t what they used to. He’s making a lot of mistakes out there in the race, making him a danger to himself and all the other drivers. It’s prolly age related dunno. But if you were watching, you kinda knew he was done in F1.

And what do you mean by ‘surprise’? It’s not gonna happen imho. The season starts in less than a couple of months from now.

Don't agree about Kimi. He wasn't that bad last season as you describe. Offcourse, he was not as good as in his prime, but that's normal thing. He outscored Giovinazzi by quite big margin and haven't finished just in few races. Mazepin, Latifi or Tsunoda is more dangerous for other drivers than Kimi.
Offcourse, we're not talking about Kimi racing in Mercedes. It sounds more like a joke.

I never said he had a bad season or that he sucks as a driver now, just saying that he’s getting old and he’s losing those reflexes. There were multiple instances during the season when it showed. I mean I can’t remember exactly when and where but I do know that there were more than a couple of times when me and my friends were going ‘whooaaa almost’ because he touched the car next to him or he was a tad slow to make an adjustment almost hitting another car, etc.. But yeah.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on January 30, 2022, 01:10:53 PM

Hamilton replacement will not be someone who will "win no", they have Russel who will be a great driver anyway, and he is very young, and he has the media personality as well, you can love him or hate him but has a personality that stands out. Which means that they will prime him, they will try to put Hamilton on that seat no matter what but if they can't they will just Russel take the reins.

It means that they will try their best to get a second driver and not a first one. Russel will be ahead, and I assume the second driver will be more like Bottas. Stroll could be a good candidate, he has a contract but that can be broken with enough penalty paid for it.

I don't understand why people talk so much about Sebastian Vettel's name as a possible replacement for Hamilton.
I honestly can't believe that Hammilton will leave F1 despite the problems that occurred last season, but if that is the case, my bets on a replacement go to Pierre Gasly, one of the highlights of Formula 1 in recent years and, whenever he can, reveals dissatisfaction with Red Bull for leaving him at AlphaTauri, or Esteban Ocon, who has had a connection with Mercedes since the middle of the last decade.

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Hamilton replacement will not be someone who will "win no", they have Russel who will be a great driver anyway, and he is very young, and he has the media personality as well, you can love him or hate him but has a personality that stands out. Which means that they will prime him, they will try to put Hamilton on that seat no matter what but if they can't they will just Russel take the reins.

It means that they will try their best to get a second driver and not a first one. Russel will be ahead, and I assume the second driver will be more like Bottas. Stroll could be a good candidate, he has a contract but that can be broken with enough penalty paid for it.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 28, 2022, 06:47:43 PM

Nope and who would wish that on anybody? I’m just make a point and saying did you guys notice Raikonnen’s driving last season? His reflexes aren’t what they used to. He’s making a lot of mistakes out there in the race, making him a danger to himself and all the other drivers. It’s prolly age related dunno. But if you were watching, you kinda knew he was done in F1.

And what do you mean by ‘surprise’? It’s not gonna happen imho. The season starts in less than a couple of months from now.

Don't agree about Kimi. He wasn't that bad last season as you describe. Offcourse, he was not as good as in his prime, but that's normal thing. He outscored Giovinazzi by quite big margin and haven't finished just in few races. Mazepin, Latifi or Tsunoda is more dangerous for other drivers than Kimi.
Offcourse, we're not talking about Kimi racing in Mercedes. It sounds more like a joke.

I really hope that the rumors we are hearing about Kimi joining Mercedes doesn't come true. I think what Mercedes should do right now is recruit a younger driver thinking about the long term.

You know, Kimi is 42 years old and as he has aged, his reflexes won't be on par with other drivers and maybe his decision-making will be worse than others which will impact Mercedes hugely. Only time will tell though, who will be replacing Hamilton.

I don't think Mercedes will risk it unless they will want to have George Russell as their first driver if Hamilton retires,if at all as I doubt he will and then give Russell a wing man with a lot of experience like Kimmi Raikkonen.That is the only option I see Kimi joining Mercedes but again I think these are just rumors and most probably Kimi is retired for good from Formula 1 as a 42 year old driver we rarely have seen some driver aged 42 fighting for the title even if they are given the best car.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on January 30, 2022, 06:56:31 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on January 28, 2022, 06:47:43 PM

Nope and who would wish that on anybody? I’m just make a point and saying did you guys notice Raikonnen’s driving last season? His reflexes aren’t what they used to. He’s making a lot of mistakes out there in the race, making him a danger to himself and all the other drivers. It’s prolly age related dunno. But if you were watching, you kinda knew he was done in F1.

And what do you mean by ‘surprise’? It’s not gonna happen imho. The season starts in less than a couple of months from now.

Don't agree about Kimi. He wasn't that bad last season as you describe. Offcourse, he was not as good as in his prime, but that's normal thing. He outscored Giovinazzi by quite big margin and haven't finished just in few races. Mazepin, Latifi or Tsunoda is more dangerous for other drivers than Kimi.
Offcourse, we're not talking about Kimi racing in Mercedes. It sounds more like a joke.

I really hope that the rumors we are hearing about Kimi joining Mercedes doesn't come true. I think what Mercedes should do right now is recruit a younger driver thinking about the long term.

You know, Kimi is 42 years old and as he has aged, his reflexes won't be on par with other drivers and maybe his decision-making will be worse than others which will impact Mercedes hugely. Only time will tell though, who will be replacing Hamilton.

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Quote from: tokeweed on January 28, 2022, 06:47:43 PM

Nope and who would wish that on anybody? I’m just make a point and saying did you guys notice Raikonnen’s driving last season? His reflexes aren’t what they used to. He’s making a lot of mistakes out there in the race, making him a danger to himself and all the other drivers. It’s prolly age related dunno. But if you were watching, you kinda knew he was done in F1.

And what do you mean by ‘surprise’? It’s not gonna happen imho. The season starts in less than a couple of months from now.

Don't agree about Kimi. He wasn't that bad last season as you describe. Offcourse, he was not as good as in his prime, but that's normal thing. He outscored Giovinazzi by quite big margin and haven't finished just in few races. Mazepin, Latifi or Tsunoda is more dangerous for other drivers than Kimi.
Offcourse, we're not talking about Kimi racing in Mercedes. It sounds more like a joke.

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There had been rumors about the cancellation of the pre-season test for MotoGP at the Sepang circuit due to the Covid-19 pandemic, but today I read the news that the pre-season test schedule will take place as usual.

"In addition to the pre-season test, there will also be a shakedown test which will also be held in Sepang from January 31 to February 2. This test is only for MotoGP 2022 test riders and debutants, namely Remy Gardner, Raul Fernandez, Marco Bezzecchi, Fabio Di Giannantonio , and Darryn Binder.

Moto2 and Moto3 riders will also undergo a series of pre-season tests. In the test monitored by IRTA, they will do it at the Algarve Circuit, Portugal, on 19-21 February."

_{Source : Motorsport.com
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Quote from: tokeweed on January 28, 2022, 06:47:43 PM

I’m just make a point and saying did you guys notice Raikonnen’s driving last season? His reflexes aren’t what they used to. He’s making a lot of mistakes out there in the race, making him a danger to himself and all the other drivers. It’s prolly age related dunno. But if you were watching, you kinda knew he was done in F1.

And what do you mean by ‘surprise’? It’s not gonna happen imho. The season starts in less than a couple of months from now.

The funny thing about F1 is that, Kimi probably has 100x better reflexes than all of us combined, even if you are a great f1 game player on PC, when you get in that real thing it is something else. I never had the chance to do it, but there was a simulator when the races came to us and since I was invited by someone who worked on it, I had a bit of access and simulator was basically used by these super rich folk, which I am not at all, I am just invited by friend who worked there so I was by far the poorest person there.

These rich folk and their kids were allowed to use the simulator, and at first it is like the game, I played the f1 game and it is easy enough, I mean when you get used to it, it is like any other game (aside from crashing all the time until you get used to it). Then I used real life setup and BOY OH BOY, it is so hard. You can't even believe it. So all in all I have to say that it is impossible for any of us to have relfexes of Kimi... and yet dude "lost" his reflexes when you compare him to other drivers.

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I think that there is no way Kimi Raikkonen replacing Lewis Hamilton for the Mercedes seat. This must be some kind of a joke for sure. Raikkonen must have already forgotten about F1. Grin

He was looking forward to retire and he got what he wanted. Maybe we could see him in rally but not F1 surely. Rather than Raikkonen, there have been some rumours like that Vettel might replace Hamilton. This is another far possibility for me. I don't even think that Hamilton will retire already now. But let's say he is retired, then maybe Mercedes would think of bringing Vettel seriously.

Everyone along with me wants that the rumors of Hamilton retiring are false but from what it seems from the Teasers Mercedes has been posting recently, it seems quite inevitable that his retirement is closer than we might expect.

But I think Vettel would be a better replacement compared to Kimi as I think Kimi is somewhat of washed away and Vettel has the potential to be a very good option for Mercedes.

It will come up what Hamilton and Mercedes are doing, plus Raikönen already has a new job. He is now team manager of a Kawasaki MXGP team, but I can't estimate how much time the new job will take. But now it depends on what Hamilton does.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/kimi-raikkonen-kawasaki-mxgp-project/

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Quote from: Koal-84 on January 29, 2022, 11:46:23 AM

A little surprise, Honda is now building the engines for RedBull until 2025 and not only until 2022 as planned. I think this is very good news for RedBull and they can now concentrate fully on the next season and defending the title.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/neuer-motorenplan-bei-red-bull-honda-uebernimmt-noch-bis-2025-22012801

That is really great news as F1 is in much need of fierce competition.I predict also Ferrari to be competitive during the 2022 season as they have been preparing since late 2020.Hopefully McLaren will be a bit stronger too to give us what we have not seen from quite some years now in F1,fierce competition not against just two teams.The more the merrier here takes a special meaning,also the 2022 will have new regulations so everything will be new to the teams so let's hope for even a better season that the last one of 2021 which was a great one.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on January 29, 2022, 12:16:37 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on January 29, 2022, 11:46:23 AM

A little surprise, Honda is now building the engines for RedBull until 2025 and not only until 2022 as planned. I think this is very good news for RedBull and they can now concentrate fully on the next season and defending the title.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/neuer-motorenplan-bei-red-bull-honda-uebernimmt-noch-bis-2025-22012801

It is really good news. Because I was really sad to hear that Honda was about to end building engines for Red Bull by the 2022 season. The Honda - Red Bull relationship in F1 is going on very well as Honda has built a great engine for Red Bull for the last season and Verstappen became even the champion thanks to a really fast car. This deal must go on as long as possible for Red Bull to continue to be strong. As long as the engine is strong, they will always be one of the biggest candidates for winning a title.

It wasn't sad that Honda would stop, but it was sad to learn that Red Bull would have to learn how to build their own engines which we all know would be terribly difficult to do. Of course I would love to see Honda building engines forever if they can, but my priority was that someone has to challange Mercedes. We all know that Mercedes has the best car, and by a big mile compared to most of the field, the only close ones were Red Bull and maybe ferrari+mclaren were near, even if not near enough. This would have meant that Red Bull would have an engine they built while learning and that would make them a tad bit slower, while Mercedes probably got faster. With Honda staying, the gap won't be too big once again.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on January 29, 2022, 11:46:23 AM

A little surprise, Honda is now building the engines for RedBull until 2025 and not only until 2022 as planned. I think this is very good news for RedBull and they can now concentrate fully on the next season and defending the title.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/neuer-motorenplan-bei-red-bull-honda-uebernimmt-noch-bis-2025-22012801

It is really good news. Because I was really sad to hear that Honda was about to end building engines for Red Bull by the 2022 season. The Honda - Red Bull relationship in F1 is going on very well as Honda has built a great engine for Red Bull for the last season and Verstappen became even the champion thanks to a really fast car. This deal must go on as long as possible for Red Bull to continue to be strong. As long as the engine is strong, they will always be one of the biggest candidates for winning a title.

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A little surprise, Honda is now building the engines for RedBull until 2025 and not only until 2022 as planned. I think this is very good news for RedBull and they can now concentrate fully on the next season and defending the title.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/neuer-motorenplan-bei-red-bull-honda-uebernimmt-noch-bis-2025-22012801

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