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Quote from: tokeweed on February 07, 2022, 09:39:51 AM

Oh cool. And that it’s really Aston Martin he’s looking at that might have found the loop hole? I was thinking that it might be Adrian Newey again like with the blown diffuser. Lol. Which was originated by Ross Brawn in Brawn GP’s title winning run of 2009 with Jenson Button. Cheesy

Anyway, I’m excited to find out who that team is. It could be Williams too as they’re the most likely to think out of the box as said before. But which ever team it is, it’s good for F1 as long as it’s not RBR or Merc.

Probably not, they are rumored to be a slow car.
We will know more during this week with the presentation but you know, they could use fake cars in these presentations to give no chance of copying before the tests.

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Quote from: Luzin on February 07, 2022, 10:17:23 AM

Yes this becomes natural because they are curious about MotoGP. Maybe if the series was already running there would be many more people who saw. Maybe I'd even go there if it was just one province. Regarding the pre-season test I hope many manufacturers are not disappointed with the facilities there because they say they are still in the process of being worked on. In addition, the bad news about WSBK last year hopefully also not repeated for this year's MotoGP series. I hope the people who work there are able to maintain and comply with the standards provided by Dorna.

At the time of the WSBK event at the Mandalika circuit last year, what was very crucial was the very high rainfall so that a lot of puddles entered the Pitlane and this clearly disturbed the WSBK team at that time.
But for this year I think the circuit has also started to improve this and also set standards for all areas including for the audience and for other things that are considered important, so in general I think Mandalika is very ready for this MotoGP season.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 07, 2022, 05:46:04 AM

Honda itself admits to having made progress with the new bike, even if they don't seem to give Marc Marquez such a big advantage over the other Honda riders, he has crashed 2 times already. Development seems to have been placed more on the rear than on the front wheel in recent years. But until the start of the season Marc can still make some adjustments to improve the bike.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/news-275396-marc-marquez-neue-honda-zwingt-ihn-zu-opfern/

That's true, and from some of the news that I read, it was also the case where Marquez felt he had lost the front during a test session in Sepang on 5 - 6 February 2022 so that Marquez had a crash because he didn't fully understand the performance of the new motorbike, however, Marquez also able to show an extraordinary action by being in the top ten and in terms of top speed motor, marquez is also at the top when compared to the others.

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Quote from: Luzin on February 06, 2022, 06:01:33 PM

Even Yamaha is not in the top ten. Indeed this is just the initial test, there are still some tests and of course the race series. Of course this result makes the yamaha supporters worried. Top speed problems should start to be developed by Yamaha, they should immediately overtake the top speed of other motorcycles. Otherwise the title will probably be difficult they can get.

This year Yamaha is a manufacturer with the status of defending champion because last season Yamaha was the world champion in MotoGP.
But considering that other manufacturers have started to develop in two steps, then Yamaha should also develop for one step even though it will not be enough to compete but can be very qualified for their initial capital.

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Even I was surprised because Marquez had already tested and he became the fastest rider. Aprlia, Ducati has a power similar to Honda. They'll probably be the candidates for next season's championship. But I don't know, it's possible that top speed is not the main factor but I think it's support that.

Top speed is indeed not the main factor that must be considered because considering the 2020 season where the Suzuki manufacturer managed to become the MotoGP world champion by only relying on good handling and motorcycle balance, while the top speed was not so fast.

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I feel like Aston Martin (a car manufacturer) would know what to pick and why to pick what they picked. I know it is not really something that people would love to see when there are different type of cars and have bad results and feel like it is because the car is different, but they may have felt that they would be even worse with the other type of car, and just accepted that they would be worse than others but better than other car version of themselves.

Or maybe they made a right choice and they will be great? I do not know, none of us know right now. We will just have to wait and see how it works out, they could be 5th+ place because of it, they could be better than this year because of it, we just have to wait and see.

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Everyone is rushing to Mandalika at the moment as the pre-season test schedule for MotoGP this time will be on 11-13 February 2022 so it will be very unique to watch. After all, this year is the first year that the Mandalika circuit is used for MotoGP because last year it was only used for WSBK.
I can't wait to see the MotoGP riders in action at Mandalika this year because in terms of the character of the circuit I see it is more suitable for factory Yamaha.

Yes this becomes natural because they are curious about MotoGP. Maybe if the series was already running there would be many more people who saw. Maybe I'd even go there if it was just one province. Regarding the pre-season test I hope many manufacturers are not disappointed with the facilities there because they say they are still in the process of being worked on. In addition, the bad news about WSBK last year hopefully also not repeated for this year's MotoGP series. I hope the people who work there are able to maintain and comply with the standards provided by Dorna.

The atmosphere given by the Indonesian people is quite good because they definitely want to feel at least watching the race on the circuit especially this is something quite great where the best racing performances are held in their country.
As for the incident last year which was quite disfiguring, I think something like this should not happen again because it will harm and defame the country, even if it tarnishes the name of the committee in the WSBK performance.

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Quote from: bestcoins1 on February 07, 2022, 07:35:00 AM

Everyone is rushing to Mandalika at the moment as the pre-season test schedule for MotoGP this time will be on 11-13 February 2022 so it will be very unique to watch. After all, this year is the first year that the Mandalika circuit is used for MotoGP because last year it was only used for WSBK.
I can't wait to see the MotoGP riders in action at Mandalika this year because in terms of the character of the circuit I see it is more suitable for factory Yamaha.

Yes this becomes natural because they are curious about MotoGP. Maybe if the series was already running there would be many more people who saw. Maybe I'd even go there if it was just one province. Regarding the pre-season test I hope many manufacturers are not disappointed with the facilities there because they say they are still in the process of being worked on. In addition, the bad news about WSBK last year hopefully also not repeated for this year's MotoGP series. I hope the people who work there are able to maintain and comply with the standards provided by Dorna.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 06, 2022, 12:00:59 PM

By ‘Brawn GP case’, you mean a loop hole found by a small team? So meaning when you said ‘wrong type of car’ by Aston Martin, you were saying they found something to exploit within the bounds of the rules even if it’s somewhat illegal...? Yeah, no one can discount it from happening since every team is designing and engineering their cars from scratch. Makes me even more excited about the coming season if that’s the case.

Exactly, Domenicali who is the man who knows already everything thanks to his position, already said that someone could find a loophole.
Someone maybe has found a grey area of the regulation and used to get a big advantage as Brawn GP did back in old days.

Oh cool. And that it’s really Aston Martin he’s looking at that might have found the loop hole? I was thinking that it might be Adrian Newey again like with the blown diffuser. Lol. Which was originated by Ross Brawn in Brawn GP’s title winning run of 2009 with Jenson Button. Cheesy

Anyway, I’m excited to find out who that team is. It could be Williams too as they’re the most likely to think out of the box as said before. But which ever team it is, it’s good for F1 as long as it’s not RBR or Merc.

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Everyone is rushing to Mandalika at the moment as the pre-season test schedule for MotoGP this time will be on 11-13 February 2022 so it will be very unique to watch. After all, this year is the first year that the Mandalika circuit is used for MotoGP because last year it was only used for WSBK.
I can't wait to see the MotoGP riders in action at Mandalika this year because in terms of the character of the circuit I see it is more suitable for factory Yamaha.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 06, 2022, 12:00:59 PM

By ‘Brawn GP case’, you mean a loop hole found by a small team? So meaning when you said ‘wrong type of car’ by Aston Martin, you were saying they found something to exploit within the bounds of the rules even if it’s somewhat illegal...? Yeah, no one can discount it from happening since every team is designing and engineering their cars from scratch. Makes me even more excited about the coming season if that’s the case.

Exactly, Domenicali who is the man who knows already everything thanks to his position, already said that someone could find a loophole.
Someone maybe has found a grey area of the regulation and used to get a big advantage as Brawn GP did back in old days.

I hope that is not true and no team to have found a loophole which would be catastrophic for us the fans,the viewers and lovers of Motorsport in general.It would be an exactly equally boring Championship as it was that of 2009 when Brawn won the title because of the huge advantage found thanks to such loophole.I would love more competition and that is I suppose what the vast majority that are sport lovers would want but one team having a big advantage would directly kill the interest in this new season.If such thing happens after 3-4 races I will stop watching F1 and probably many others for this season.

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Quote from: imamusma on February 05, 2022, 10:25:33 PM

"Big changes for Honda this year, completely different approach with their bike and the most noticeable change is the rear end"
_{Source: https://www.instagram.com/crashnet_motogp/}

However, in my opinion, what has changed in Honda for this year is the engine power and also the faster rotation in the traction so that it becomes easier to find the best time and this is also based on changes in other areas such as physical form in general.

What do you guys think?

Honda itself admits to having made progress with the new bike, even if they don't seem to give Marc Marquez such a big advantage over the other Honda riders, he has crashed 2 times already. Development seems to have been placed more on the rear than on the front wheel in recent years. But until the start of the season Marc can still make some adjustments to improve the bike.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/news-275396-marc-marquez-neue-honda-zwingt-ihn-zu-opfern/

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Wel, it's a consensus that Ducati are the best bikes on the grid. The technical boss of the brand, Gigi Dall'Igna, knew how to add other qualities besides the "cannon engine". Balanced bikes, stable in braking, unbeatable in acceleration and agile in trajectory changes, Ducati should only have when the subject is speed in curves, heritage of Suzuki and Yamaha. Incidentally, a quality has everything to do with the architecture of its engines, 4 cylinders in line, while the rest of the grid - Aprilia, Ducati, Honda and KTM - uses V4 engines.

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Today has started the pre-season test at the Sepang circuit with a very impressive first day result, but tomorrow it looks like it will be even more interesting to watch because all the riders will work harder in terms of finding the best settings and filing their new bikes.

The following is the data on the results of the first day of tests at Sepang and a comparison of the top speed of all riders

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Even Yamaha is not in the top ten. Indeed this is just the initial test, there are still some tests and of course the race series. Of course this result makes the yamaha supporters worried. Top speed problems should start to be developed by Yamaha, they should immediately overtake the top speed of other motorcycles. Otherwise the title will probably be difficult they can get.
Even I was surprised because Marquez had already tested and he became the fastest rider. Aprlia, Ducati has a power similar to Honda. They'll probably be the candidates for next season's championship. But I don't know, it's possible that top speed is not the main factor but I think it's support that.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 06, 2022, 12:00:59 PM

By ‘Brawn GP case’, you mean a loop hole found by a small team? So meaning when you said ‘wrong type of car’ by Aston Martin, you were saying they found something to exploit within the bounds of the rules even if it’s somewhat illegal...? Yeah, no one can discount it from happening since every team is designing and engineering their cars from scratch. Makes me even more excited about the coming season if that’s the case.

Exactly, Domenicali who is the man who knows already everything thanks to his position, already said that someone could find a loophole.
Someone maybe has found a grey area of the regulation and used to get a big advantage as Brawn GP did back in old days.

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I really do not know why there are teams that use the different type of approaches. If one is good then everyone should pick that. Which means that the difference between the two cars could be not that big. If one of the types is very bad compared to other and even if just one team picked it (aside from has lol) then it would not make any sense at all.

I am sure they have all the data in the world to check it, and I am sure that they are doing all they can to make sure that they are taking as much pace out of it as possible and we could only speculate on what's going on and we can't really know what's going on. However, if they are really wrong then at least we could say "guessed so" Cheesy

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What other teams built the second type of car? Just Aston Martin? If they’re the only team that has done it, I wonder why take that gamble. Slower at straights but better and slightly faster at corners? They surely have the driver who has the style for it in Sebastian Vettel imho.

Anyway, we can’t read Italian, did that write up say the second type of car is surely slower and ‘wrong’ or is it all just guess work of journalists? Cos we’ve also had our experiences with football journos and they’re mostly bs most of the time.

Nothing has been confirmed yet but the rumors are:

2 cars using the second type and one should be Aston Martin.
2 cars are using a new thing and we can have a "Brawn GP" case with a huge advantage if it works
Mercedes may use a walrus f1 nose similar to the idea of old Williams.

Like this one.

Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/features/2016/2/surprises-from-car-launches-unveilings.html

By ‘Brawn GP case’, you mean a loop hole found by a small team? So meaning when you said ‘wrong type of car’ by Aston Martin, you were saying they found something to exploit within the bounds of the rules even if it’s somewhat illegal...? Yeah, no one can discount it from happening since every team is designing and engineering their cars from scratch. Makes me even more excited about the coming season if that’s the case.

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Yesterday the Aprilia duo looked very fierce and hot in the pre-season test on the first day at the Sepang circuit, but today I saw a new surprise from Enea Bastianini who at the same time managed to set a new time as the fastest record in one lap and this is obviously very amazing because of him. (Enea Bastianini) is in the satellite Ducati team riding a Ducati GP21 (last year's bike) so Enea Bastianini deserves to be reckoned with in this season in MotoGP.

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"Big changes for Honda this year, completely different approach with their bike and the most noticeable change is the rear end"
_{Source: https://www.instagram.com/crashnet_motogp/}

However, in my opinion, what has changed in Honda for this year is the engine power and also the faster rotation in the traction so that it becomes easier to find the best time and this is also based on changes in other areas such as physical form in general.

What do you guys think?

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 05, 2022, 08:06:25 AM

What other teams built the second type of car? Just Aston Martin? If they’re the only team that has done it, I wonder why take that gamble. Slower at straights but better and slightly faster at corners? They surely have the driver who has the style for it in Sebastian Vettel imho.

Anyway, we can’t read Italian, did that write up say the second type of car is surely slower and ‘wrong’ or is it all just guess work of journalists? Cos we’ve also had our experiences with football journos and they’re mostly bs most of the time.

Nothing has been confirmed yet but the rumors are:

2 cars using the second type and one should be Aston Martin.
2 cars are using a new thing and we can have a "Brawn GP" case with a huge advantage if it works
Mercedes may use a walrus f1 nose similar to the idea of old Williams.

Like this one.

Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/features/2016/2/surprises-from-car-launches-unveilings.html

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Today has started the pre-season test at the Sepang circuit with a very impressive first day result, but tomorrow it looks like it will be even more interesting to watch because all the riders will work harder in terms of finding the best settings and filing their new bikes.

The following is the data on the results of the first day of tests at Sepang and a comparison of the top speed of all riders

_{Image Source: https://www.instagram.com/dianno1306/}

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