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Quote from: judas on December 09, 2021, 02:13:19 PM

I'm getting excited more and more every day. There are only three days left for the big final race. This is going to be the decider for the title. And I think that Verstappen can make it to the the title for the first time. Maybe it is going to be very difficult but not impossible. I'm waiting excitedly for not only the race but also the qualifying session. I hope that we watch a great competition between Verstappen and Hamilton for the championship.

For Verstappen to make this happen he needs at least a perfect qualifying session with pole position as a result and then he needs to be fully focused on the race as this track is not as fast as Saudi Arabia but still fast enough for a Mercedes,also a big help and key players should be his team mate Perez just like Bottas has been for Hamilton these last couple of races,only if all these conditions are met then Verstappen can be a World Champion.

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I'm getting excited more and more every day. There are only three days left for the big final race. This is going to be the decider for the title. And I think that Verstappen can make it to the the title for the first time. Maybe it is going to be very difficult but not impossible. I'm waiting excitedly for not only the race but also the qualifying session. I hope that we watch a great competition between Verstappen and Hamilton for the championship.

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Quote from: tokeweed on December 09, 2021, 10:37:30 AM

Should be a fun start of the race. Grin

I'm fully anticipating a championship-deciding "accidental" collision at the start. See the exact same thing in Suzuka 1990 with Senna/Prost for a taster. Or if not, maybe a Schumacher '94 or '97, "accidental" championship-deciding crash partway through the race.

The anticipation of this happening is so strong now that Horner has had to come out with a statement denying that Max is planning such a thing!

Of course with everyone expecting it to happen, Max has less chance of getting away with claiming it's an accident, so maybe this in itself is enough to stop it happening.

Quote from: Bilgent on December 08, 2021, 06:13:19 AM

I have heard some news claiming that Jos Verstappen made a statement like Verstappen is ready for giving his best for winning the title. This could mean anything at this point. Grin

Verstappen wouldn't be scared of pushing his luck for the title in this race. Hamilton should get ready for every kind of attack in this race. Because I believe that the last race was a sign for it.

Yes, coming from Jos Verstappen that's a bit ominous. Remember when he was charged with attempted murder for driving his car into his ex-girlfriend? The "win at all costs mentality" seems to span the generations.

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Quote from: Bilgent on December 08, 2021, 06:13:19 AM

I have heard some news claiming that Jos Verstappen made a statement like Verstappen is ready for giving his best for winning the title. This could mean anything at this point. Grin

Verstappen wouldn't be scared of pushing his luck for the title in this race. Hamilton should get ready for every kind of attack in this race. Because I believe that the last race was a sign for it.

Of course Verstappen will try everything to become the world champion. This would be his first title and with the new cars coming in the next season no one knows where they will stand then. So you can never know if you have another shot for the championship title in the near future again. Also i think the statement of Verstappens father is really nothing special and i don't think that it indicates that he would also do illegal or shady things like provoking a crash to take hamilton out of the race, not because he would not do such things but simply because everyone is watching him so closely now and i don't think he is stupid enough to do such things in the last race.

That next years cars thing is the most important part of all of this. If it was just go on as usual without much changes then we would probably see Max saying "there is always next year" and he could have gotten better for sure, it is not like Max is a bad driver that would suddenly become bad just because he is not in one of the best cars, Bottas is in Merc and that is a great car as we all know and yet Max still managed to beat him, and usually his teammates for a while now as well.

I would say that there is a good chance he would be great next year no matter what happens with cars but if Red Bull by some weird magic end up being one of the worst cars, then he may not have a chance to beat anyone for many many years, plus there is a cap now so teams can't just throw in money and try to win neither, it is going to be weird. This is why Max is very well aware that he needs to win this one for sure, don't know what is going to happen with future seasons but he needs to win this one.

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According to rumors, Verstappen will use the same Power Unit for the last gp while Hamilton has some doubt...

It seems impossible to me but whatever...

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But if Verstappen has his car's power unit changed, he'll have a 5 car grid penalty. Would the new power unit really give much more pace that Red Bull would be willing to take that risk? I think I'm with Hamilton. Mercedes got RBR by the ropes and it's Hamilton's championship to lose now.

Should be a fun start of the race. Grin

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Quote from: dustboy on December 07, 2021, 04:12:51 PM

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Quote from: Luzin on December 07, 2021, 09:46:16 AM

Will Marquez really retire?
The news I read in the local media said that he has not recovered from concussion due to a fall while practicing motocross in October 2021. Upon further examination, the doctor also found problems with his vision. Even the Repsol Honda manager has hinted without Marquez at the start of the 2022 season.
If it happens, of course, this is a problem. Moto GP will again lose riders in productive age. But hopefully Marquez will recover soon, he is a rider who is starting to look better after his hand injury. But unfortunately it seems like he was unlucky to have an accident and other injuries.

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Personally, I think it's quite possible that Marc might retire if he doesn't get completely fit and can match the performance of his best MotoGP years. Marquez is not the type who wants only to ride, but he wants to win every race, if the body does not play along, I can imagine a retirement.

This is not the first time I hear a rumor of Marc's retirement. There was the same rumor last year when he got the injuries after the race in Spain if I remember it correctly. The current rumor is getting bigger because the problem seems to be bigger for Marc but I hope there is a better and faster way for him to get fully recovered. Losing a rider as caliber him will be very big losing for the whole MotoGP industry.

He was still young if have to retire now. And as I know vision problems are vital for racers with must have to clear around the line which not harms himself, but also the others racer. I know any countries out there have the laser treatment to recover it, but it still depends on how bad. this also makes an advantage for another racer, Mark is one strong competitor in the next years, if he retired it make the competition is not tight.

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While we are getting close to the race weekend every day, I'm starting get even more excited. I really missed to see a big rivalry for the championship continuing even in the last race. According to the information I got somewhere, this situation happened 28 times. 18 of them ended up with the victory of the leader before the race. And the rest of them ended up with the triumph of the driver at the second place in the driver standings. I hope that Verstappen will make it.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on December 08, 2021, 07:23:26 AM

Quote from: Bilgent on December 08, 2021, 06:13:19 AM

I have heard some news claiming that Jos Verstappen made a statement like Verstappen is ready for giving his best for winning the title. This could mean anything at this point. Grin

Verstappen wouldn't be scared of pushing his luck for the title in this race. Hamilton should get ready for every kind of attack in this race. Because I believe that the last race was a sign for it.

Of course Verstappen will try everything to become the world champion. This would be his first title and with the new cars coming in the next season no one knows where they will stand then. So you can never know if you have another shot for the championship title in the near future again. Also i think the statement of Verstappens father is really nothing special and i don't think that it indicates that he would also do illegal or shady things like provoking a crash to take hamilton out of the race, not because he would not do such things but simply because everyone is watching him so closely now and i don't think he is stupid enough to do such things in the last race.

Nevertheless, I hope that the last stage will take place in a more or less pure struggle, and I am even more confident in this. It is clear that at any outcome of the race there will be dissatisfied participants, but the most important thing is to avoid absolutely dirty actions such as intentional accidents. According to the previous race, it was perfectly clear that Hamilton was afraid of a collision like fire and this played a cruel joke on him, that on the contrary, because of this, there was contact with Verstappen at the end of the race, fortunately for Lewis, which did not end with fatal damage to the car. I think that Verstappen and Red Bull will try to repeat the tactics as in Saudi Arabia, when the car will be set up more to win qualifying than for the race itself and the main goal will be to get in front of Hamilton at the start and then try to hold the position.

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I wonder who do you think that he deserved to win the title in F1 very much this season? And do you think that he has been far better than the other one so far? If I'm to answer these questions, my answers would be like this: I think that Verstappen deserved a little more than Hamilton. I can't say that the gap is big because both of them have been really great so far. Hamilton were really awesome especially in the last a few races. So I don't think that one of them is far better than the other. Whoever wins the title, I'm still going to congratulate him.

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According to rumors, Verstappen will use the same Power Unit for the last gp while Hamilton has some doubt...

It seems impossible to me but whatever...

Source https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-piloti/power-unit-abu-dhabi-verstappen-non-cambia-dubbio-hamilton-red-bull-mercedes-596523.html

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 06, 2021, 04:48:26 AM

It's hard to say, but I don't think Verstappen will intentionally cause an accident

The betting odds I've seen make Lewis and Max joint most likely to not be classified, and the betting companies are usually pretty good at anticipating the likelihood of these events. I think there's a strong suspicion that Max might cause a double-DNF, and they're adjusting the odds to stop people like me from putting money on it.

I mean, normally, those two would be most likely to be classified, surely, not least likely.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 07, 2021, 10:08:25 AM

Personally, I think it's quite possible that Marc might retire if he doesn't get completely fit and can match the performance of his best MotoGP years. Marquez is not the type who wants only to ride, but he wants to win every race, if the body does not play along, I can imagine a retirement.

Yes, it is true that Marquez is one of the racers who really wants to win every race series, not to be an entertainer rider, last March Marquez said he would decide to retire at a young age if his performance was no longer competitive, hopefully Marquez can quickly recover from the injury he suffered during This is so that we don't lose any more MotoGP legends after Rossi.

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What a way to end the season. Winner takes all between Hamilton and Verstappen.

I’m guessing Verstappen shows quick pace in qualifying and flawless laps in Q3 giving him pole position with Hamilton obv behind him. Verstappen did show he could’ve gotten it at the Saudi Arabia GP if he didn’t get to aggro.

Verstappen to win at quali is at 2.75... That’s a nice value bet imho. What do you guys think?

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Quote from: Bilgent on December 08, 2021, 06:13:19 AM

I have heard some news claiming that Jos Verstappen made a statement like Verstappen is ready for giving his best for winning the title. This could mean anything at this point. Grin

Verstappen wouldn't be scared of pushing his luck for the title in this race. Hamilton should get ready for every kind of attack in this race. Because I believe that the last race was a sign for it.

Of course Verstappen will try everything to become the world champion. This would be his first title and with the new cars coming in the next season no one knows where they will stand then. So you can never know if you have another shot for the championship title in the near future again. Also i think the statement of Verstappens father is really nothing special and i don't think that it indicates that he would also do illegal or shady things like provoking a crash to take hamilton out of the race, not because he would not do such things but simply because everyone is watching him so closely now and i don't think he is stupid enough to do such things in the last race.

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I have heard some news claiming that Jos Verstappen made a statement like Verstappen is ready for giving his best for winning the title. This could mean anything at this point. Grin

Verstappen wouldn't be scared of pushing his luck for the title in this race. Hamilton should get ready for every kind of attack in this race. Because I believe that the last race was a sign for it.

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Quote from: sana54210 on December 07, 2021, 04:58:32 PM

I hate that everyone acts as if Lewis is an Angel and Max is the devil. Not that I am defending Max, he is terrible and cheeky and dirty racer, if we watched penna or schumi today then everyone would be mad about them too by the looks of it. The part that I have a problem with is how people act as if Lewis had no idea what he was doing and just crashed and "why would anyone crash knowingly??? Specially someone with 7 world titles would know what to do!!!" and act as if he is innocent little baby that we need to hold preciously.

Hamilton knew EXACTLY what he was doing, he didn't mean to crash of course, he could have go right pass Max with that speed, it was super easy, anyone could have done it, hell Mazepin would overtake Latifi in that situation, Lewis didn't because he knew it was coming to DRS zone and if he did then Max would have taken it back.

So max did a dirty bad thing, and lewis did a dirt bad thing in response and since they both didn't fall for each others, that resulted with a crash. Simple as that. They are both dirty, if you ask me neither deserves the win. If it was up to me, I would have made this between Ferrari leclerc vs Mclaren Norris and it would have been 100x cleaner and better to watch.

Exactly to the point. Hamilton makes the same mistakes under pressure, but he hasn't had any pressure since Rosberg, the first year since Rosberg that he's had an opponent on a par, he's won 4 to 5 of his world titles almost without competition. Hamilton knows exactly what he's doing and puts physical pressure on his opponents, but he's more experienced at it and clearly has luck on his sie this years.

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I hate that everyone acts as if Lewis is an Angel and Max is the devil. Not that I am defending Max, he is terrible and cheeky and dirty racer, if we watched penna or schumi today then everyone would be mad about them too by the looks of it. The part that I have a problem with is how people act as if Lewis had no idea what he was doing and just crashed and "why would anyone crash knowingly??? Specially someone with 7 world titles would know what to do!!!" and act as if he is innocent little baby that we need to hold preciously.

Hamilton knew EXACTLY what he was doing, he didn't mean to crash of course, he could have go right pass Max with that speed, it was super easy, anyone could have done it, hell Mazepin would overtake Latifi in that situation, Lewis didn't because he knew it was coming to DRS zone and if he did then Max would have taken it back.

So max did a dirty bad thing, and lewis did a dirt bad thing in response and since they both didn't fall for each others, that resulted with a crash. Simple as that. They are both dirty, if you ask me neither deserves the win. If it was up to me, I would have made this between Ferrari leclerc vs Mclaren Norris and it would have been 100x cleaner and better to watch.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on December 07, 2021, 10:08:25 AM

Quote from: Luzin on December 07, 2021, 09:46:16 AM

Will Marquez really retire?
The news I read in the local media said that he has not recovered from concussion due to a fall while practicing motocross in October 2021. Upon further examination, the doctor also found problems with his vision. Even the Repsol Honda manager has hinted without Marquez at the start of the 2022 season.
If it happens, of course, this is a problem. Moto GP will again lose riders in productive age. But hopefully Marquez will recover soon, he is a rider who is starting to look better after his hand injury. But unfortunately it seems like he was unlucky to have an accident and other injuries.

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Personally, I think it's quite possible that Marc might retire if he doesn't get completely fit and can match the performance of his best MotoGP years. Marquez is not the type who wants only to ride, but he wants to win every race, if the body does not play along, I can imagine a retirement.

This is not the first time I hear a rumor of Marc's retirement. There was the same rumor last year when he got the injuries after the race in Spain if I remember it correctly. The current rumor is getting bigger because the problem seems to be bigger for Marc but I hope there is a better and faster way for him to get fully recovered. Losing a rider as caliber him will be very big losing for the whole MotoGP industry.

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Quote from: Luzin on December 07, 2021, 09:46:16 AM

Will Marquez really retire?
The news I read in the local media said that he has not recovered from concussion due to a fall while practicing motocross in October 2021. Upon further examination, the doctor also found problems with his vision. Even the Repsol Honda manager has hinted without Marquez at the start of the 2022 season.
If it happens, of course, this is a problem. Moto GP will again lose riders in productive age. But hopefully Marquez will recover soon, he is a rider who is starting to look better after his hand injury. But unfortunately it seems like he was unlucky to have an accident and other injuries.

Source

Personally, I think it's quite possible that Marc might retire if he doesn't get completely fit and can match the performance of his best MotoGP years. Marquez is not the type who wants only to ride, but he wants to win every race, if the body does not play along, I can imagine a retirement.

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Will Marquez really retire?
The news I read in the local media said that he has not recovered from concussion due to a fall while practicing motocross in October 2021. Upon further examination, the doctor also found problems with his vision. Even the Repsol Honda manager has hinted without Marquez at the start of the 2022 season.
If it happens, of course, this is a problem. Moto GP will again lose riders in productive age. But hopefully Marquez will recover soon, he is a rider who is starting to look better after his hand injury. But unfortunately it seems like he was unlucky to have an accident and other injuries.

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