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Literally, everything happened in the last race in Saudi Arabia. The incidents between Hamilton and Verstappen were really interesting.    Especially, the last one was unbelievable. It is not an incident that we see too often. Verstappen just wanted to act smart by giving his position to Hamilton right before the DRS line on the start straight. But Hamilton was already aware of it and didn't want to get past him there. Verstappen slowed down so much that Hamilton hit him from right behind while he was trying to swerve not to do so. Despite even this incident, Hamilton got past him later and got a very comfortable win here. Verstappen got penalties but luckily Bottas still couldn't get past him. And now, Verstappen is the leader but they have the same points before the last race. This is just insane! And I'm looking forward to seeing the last race that everything is going to be decided there for the championship.

The only hope Red Bull and Max Verstappen can have is for a scenario similar to the one that happened in Saudi Arabia. That is, a lot of collisions, constant stops and restarts and successful not-quite-obvious decisions on tactics. Max should be grateful that thanks to these events, Bottas was dropped from the fight for second place and was able to intervene in the fight for the podium only in the last meters of the race. In any case, Mercedes look more powerful and should win the race in a good way, but no one is immune from accidents and anything can happen, both with Mercedes and with Red Bulls. Also, a third player can interfere in their direct struggle, as happened at a certain stage of the race when Esteban Ocon intervened.

Max getting a penalty here could make sense to some Hamilton fans and maybe even other fans, but if Max needed to get some penalty, then it should have been in Brazil. I am a huge Lando fan and I would rather have him finish first then anyone else.

However, I rather see someone other than Hamilton win because it has been so bothering to watch Hamilton be the face of F1 for so long and acting like he is the best thing that ever happened when Lando is just as good if you ask me if given the same car.

So in the case of Max vs Lewis, I am defending Max in this case. Even with wanting to see Max win, Max should have gotten a penalty at Brazil if anything, if you say that is regular racing, then this was too, if this deserved a penalty then Brazil did too, this inconsistency is the big problem. In any case I believe that Max doesn't drive as dirty as people claim, and he doesn't get away with it neither, Hamilton literally almost killed Max in silverstone and got 10 second penalty and first place as well if I remember correctly, if that was fair, then this was way more than fair.

It was in the distant year of 1974 in which I weren't born yet at that time,don't know about you but I think most forum users are under 40 as Bitcoin is a new technology so I think most of us were not born at that time.It is exactly 47 years later that we are experiencing the same.However the same scenario will mostly repeat itself as it happened in Saudi Arabia,even here in Abu Dhabi as the track is a fast one so most likely only luck can give Redbull and Verstappen the title.If they were to race in normal conditions Mercedes will have an easy win.

Whatever that race was and whatever happened in it, I think Verstappen and Red Bull would’ve gotten the same result even if he didn’t make that mistake in sector 3 at Q3 and started at pole during the race.

Hamilton’s pace in that Mercedes was really fast.  It’s almost like they just discovered something they should’ve discovered at the start of the season.

Anyway it’s the guy who finishes with more points win.  Both drivers are tied in championship points.  When was the last time something like this happened?

I think no one before has seen something like this, there it goes like a "horse trading", very strange and absolutely not exactly professional and then there is also forgotten Ocon ...

Verstappen has now subsequently received a 10-second penalty, it was mainly only about the "something" has been done, on the result wanted to take by the driveway accident no more influence.

It will be so absolutely interesting to follow up in the  next year race  , I'm anticipating to see how it is going to be .

What I fancy so much is the race car.

two Red Flags Safety and countless virtual Safety Car kind of expected to see this, I have thrown a small bet on it but too bad the odds were not too great for having Safety Car.
The bookies knew that there is high chances to see accidents and with the track being a street track and especially new one accidents will happen and that gonna require to have Safety Car or Red Flag if the car needs to be removed needs time and space to do so.
Anyway we are heading to Abu Dhabi with both drivers on same points I wonder what's RedBull going to throw now on Lewis's Hamilton to stop him from winning his 8th title.

It's hard to say, but I don't think Verstappen will intentionally cause an accident, maybe provoke it, but we saw yesterday that Hamilton also makes mistakes, he could have passed Verstappen but didn't want to give him DRS. Of the two no longer gives way and it will be a fierce battle in the last race.

The rebuilt course could Mercedes come to good, but is also not sure the cars are track dependent slightly better or worse.

My prediction for the final race is that Verstappen will try to crash into Hamilton and force a double DNF, and so win the title. I think the only circumstance where he won't try this is if he is ahead of Hamilton. If Hamilton is ahead, or threatening to overtake, then Max will try everything he can to take him out.

Max is a very fast driver, but he's willing to break the rules to get the result. Some top drivers are like that. It's how Senna won the title in the final race back in I think 1990. And Schumacher tried it twice in the final race, once on Damon Hill where he successfully caused Hill to DNF and so won the title, and again a couple of years later he tried the exact same thing on Villeneuve, but Villeneuve managed to limp home in his damaged car to take the title.

I'm absolutely certain that Max will try to crash into Lewis if he gets the chance. I'd really rather they were going into the final race with Lewis one point ahead, so that everything could be decided by who is the fastest, not who is the dirtiest.

Max has been lucky with the stewards so far, two very minor penalties in the last race, 5 seconds meant nothing, and then a retrospective 10 second penalty and 2 points on his license for the brake-testing... again, an irrelevant punishment that will only encourage him.

I feel their rivalry is going to get worst in the finale and it’ll continue in 2022 too, but for some weird reason I feel it’s getting too ugly and they need tone it down before one of them gets injured badly. Also it’s time to put your predictions for the final race, and if yesterday’s race was the rehearsal then Hamilton will win it, but if Max can keep calm then my money is on him to win so chip in with your predictions for the finale.

Indeed, we do not know about whether such negotiations have taken place before and something tells me that this has already happened, but it simply was not brought to the public's attention. With all the incredible finish and jump to the podium right at the finish line, Bottas once again failed to wedge himself between Hamilton and Verstappen to provide Lewis with at least a minimal gap before the final race. It is significant that Max did not stay on the balcony after the award ceremony and immediately left, leaving Mercedes representatives to celebrate their success alone. Red Bull's bet on tuning the car just to win qualifying did not work, because in the race, Hamilton's car still looked faster despite the hard type of tires.

This is like an epic movie and the perfect finale will be next week?
What will happen? If both will end with 0 points Max will be the winner so I think if it will be necessary...

About this race, it was epic the track was nice and next year it will be even more epic since cars will follow easier other cars since the new configuration of the car.

If this wasn't a street track then I would guess that there would be a chance Verstappen could still win, but this situation changes things. F2 shown us that there could be drivers overtaking each other, and even with a gearbox change he will have some people he could pass, but I highly doubt that Max will be able to pass Mercedes on this track. If he got the pole position then he could have reached the end by just defending smartly, it is quite possible to do that but now the same chance will be at the hands of Mercedes.

Unless Bottas makes a big mistake again, he will be capable of holding Max long enough to give Hamilton clear 7-8 seconds at least, and that is just Bottas, imagine all the other people, so I am not entirely sure. I hope his gearbox is safe and he can finish the race, otherwise it is going to be very sad to see him retire which will 99% means he will lose the championship on technical issues instead of racing.

I'm watching F1 for long time already, but it was one of craziest races I ever saw. Max behaviour is so dirty. Maybe even more dirty than Shumacher. And we saw again how struggle to handle pressure and it can cost him Champion title. But it's worth to mention his amazing restart from P3 to P1.
And I haven't saw such emotional TotoWolf for long time - first he almost brake table after accident and later celebrated win like crazy.
Bottas drag race against Occon and P3 on finish line was cherry on top for Mercedes. Now constructor's trophy is almost in their hands.
In one my post I predicted that we may see safety cars and red flags on the race, but it was difficult to expect such crazy things.
All square before las round - did we ever had both title contenders with same amount of points before last race?

It was really epic, but in previous seasons we haven't heard conversations between teams and FIA, so, maybe it didn't happened for the first time.

Very exciting race today with many unexpected events. 3 starts, many collisions and now we are tied on points going into the last race. Mercedes will win the Constructors' World Championship but in the Drivers' World Championship we can only guess the outcome. Crazy but exciting race.

One of the craziest races i have ever witnessed and in the end it was again Hamilton that managed to win...the car of Mercedes just is quite a lot faster than the one of Red Bull. We saw 3 starts today which is great for the viewers because the start is basically the most exciting part at the moment in the formula 1 and even though verstappen was to slow in the second one he was having a great start and a perfect first corner in the third start to go into the lead, but again Mercedes had a way faster race pace then Red Bull and Verstappen had no chance to hold hamilton back. If this continues then i think that Verstappen can not do to much if Hamilton makes no mistakes in the last race.

I don't know, he very nearly won that one, despite it being in theory a Mercedes track and with Hamilton having his newish Brazil engine back. They are now level on points, but Max is ahead because of most race victories, so in the event of an "accidental" crash causing a double DNF, Max would be champion. Wonder what the odds are on that? 

There is also the steward's verdict to come shortly about the brake-testing incident. But I would expect no penalty for Max, it would be a shame to see him get a grid drop for the final winner-takes-all race next week.

It was a really long long race to watch,it started at 18.30 European time and ended near 21.00 as a lot of events happened.However this just clearly indicated that this Driver's Championship is going to be won by Mercedes.The last track does not differ much from these last two that we saw a clear power of Mercedes over any other team.Sorry to say that right now but I find it impossible for Max Verstappen to win the title in normal racing conditions,luck has to favor him greatly for him to have a chance to win the title.Honda although improved a lot is still not able to fight against Mercedes in really fast tracks like these last ones.

This is the craziest race I've ever seen. More incidents here than the rest of the season combined.