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Quote from: Maged on April 01, 2014, 09:09:35 PM

1) I've deleted many of MPOE-PR's posts in the past, throughout many threads.

See that, SaltySpitoon?

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2) MPOE-PR has an orange ignore button.

Labcoin got me a yellow one.

Yeah, nice work. Congratulations, you're a scammer.

If you call everything a scam, and get some things right once in a while, that doesn't give you immunity to troll. If there is a thread accusing someone of being a scammer that is 15 pages long, and someone comes along and starts posting a "legit warning" but it is in the form of something that should be deleted. Its not silencing the accusation, its shutting one person up. The other 15 pages should be adequet.

Message to take away I guess is just because you call out scammers doesn't give you a free pass to break the rest of the rules. Thank you and congrats on calling them out, to both you and MPOE, your posts can still be deleted.

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Quote from: Maged on April 01, 2014, 09:09:35 PM

2) MPOE-PR has an orange ignore button.

Labcoin got me a yellow one.

Again, none of those factors alone can result in a ban.

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Yeah, nice work. Congratulations, you're a scammer.

You're very welcome. I live to please.

But seriously, I deleted about as many of the supporter's posts as I did of the detractor's.

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Quote from: SaltySpitoon on April 01, 2014, 01:55:41 PM

Quote from: master-P on April 01, 2014, 01:52:02 PM

Old members shouldn't get preferential treatment if they break the rules. No one would be complaining if a new member got banned for swearing at a moderator. Sometimes people need to be made an example of in order to keep others in check.

You don't get banned for swearing at a moderator. MPOE-PR was asked to stop spamming/trolling by Maged, and rather than stopping, she swore at him. The act of insulting Maged itself didn't get her banned, it was the warning, and then lack of acknowledgement of the warning that got the ban.

Oh, the warning was acknowledged, all right. She specifically quoted my warning in her "fuck you" reply. That reply was off-topic and was extremely likely to result in additional off-topic posts from other users. Had she posted that message in the correct location, she would have been fine. This is also why TAT wasn't banned: you can insult us and complain all you want in Meta, since doing so is often on-topic.

Beyond the reasons you mentioned for the ban, there are some more:
1) I've deleted many of MPOE-PR's posts in the past, throughout many threads.
2) MPOE-PR has an orange ignore button.

Alone, none of these things would result in a ban. You can only get banned if you put them all together.

Quote from: Bicknellski on April 01, 2014, 10:53:23 AM

And yet Inaba can slander and defame people up and down the forums for years and nothing is done? Funny.

Slandering and defaming people in a thread about a company of which you are an employee is often on-topic because it reveals the true character of the company. If we removed those posts, there would be a much better argument for claiming that we support scammers.

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Hey, do you own homework yourself, and learn how to write properly.
This is about mods removing and banning criticism of scams.

Seeing as its the forum's official policy not to touch scam accusations, I find that hard to believe. When people come to me asking to have a scam accusation against them taken down, even if I can tell its complete BS, I just tell them to provide a response that makes the accuser lose all credibility. We don't touch scam accusations, ever. Besides moving them to the scam accusation section that is.

If you see someone violate that, report it. They will be gone immediately if not sooner.

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Quote from: Twilight_Sparkle on April 01, 2014, 08:18:00 PM

As for the mods supposed "scam-loving", Do your own homework, if you get scammed it is your own fault, do not blame the mods for that.

Hey, do you own homework yourself, and learn how to write properly.
This is about mods removing and banning criticism of scams.

There is a fine line between critisism and trolling.

MPOE-PR had stepped miles across that line.

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The only tragedy is that TAT was not banned after asking the mod to ban him. Teach children that throwing temper tantrums do not work.

As for the mods supposed "scam-loving", Do your own homework, if you get scammed it is your own fault, do not blame the mods for that.

Finally, It is only one website, being banned or whatever is not a big deal. There is almost always drama about this sort of thing, never understood why.

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Quote from: -ck on April 01, 2014, 07:33:03 PM

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You can pretty much assume that mod = scamlover.

There are an awful lot of mods, and that's an awfully unfair generalisation.

Given that an awful lot of them act anonymously, I can't say. Maybe some of them are honest. Why do they stay, though? Especially after theymos' repeated failures.

Because this is still the prime (and only meaningful) communication forum for bitcoin and those of us who believe in bitcoin try to keep it as useful as possible.

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You can pretty much assume that mod = scamlover.

There are an awful lot of mods, and that's an awfully unfair generalisation.

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I've been banned twice for something similar. This was a while back though lol

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Quote from: Bicknellski on April 01, 2014, 10:53:23 AM

And yet Inaba can slander and defame people up and down the forums for years and nothing is done? Funny.

Nothing surprising. The forum is rotten at its core, many mods and admins deeply involved in scams (and what a joke is DefaultTrust?); as far as I'm concerned, their actions make them scammers too.

You can pretty much assume that mod = scamlover.

Almost as rotten as the cult of mpex and bitcoin-assets

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Quote from: Atruk on April 01, 2014, 07:15:07 PM

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This will be the last month of MPOE-PR salary. The Bitcointalk forum moderators finally took exception to her public naming and shaming of their favourite scams, and banned her. I suppose in a sense this is best for all those involved.

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Wow so mpoe-pr was literally paid to do nothing but spam these forums. I thought there was more to the job than that.

Well in the end she earned a cool few hundred btc for trolling. Something many do for free.

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This will be the last month of MPOE-PR salary. The Bitcointalk forum moderators finally took exception to her public naming and shaming of their favourite scams, and banned her. I suppose in a sense this is best for all those involved.

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Is this the queue for abuse?

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Quote from: buyandhold on April 01, 2014, 02:48:41 PM

Sorry for my sensationalist title - now edited - and my fudging of Maged's reasons for permabanning her.

I was annoyed, but it's no excuse.

Long-standing members do need a little more leniency when they're being tw@s.

Hehe, I didn't mean you had to literally change it. You also don't need to suck up to me, feel free to throw a few f bombs my way, I don't care. I was just voicing my opinion on the matter.

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Sorry for my sensationalist title - now edited - and my fudging of Maged's reasons for permabanning her.

I was annoyed, but it's no excuse.

Long-standing members do need a little more leniency when they're being tw@s.

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Lets be honest MPOE-PR gets on everyone's nerves, she is annoying and while maybe 2 out of 10 post are good, she isn't a staple of this forum that bought any high level discussion.

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I dont know all of the details either, so I'm not sure if a perma ban was warranted based off of what I do know, but some sort of action was reasonable. Swearing at the mods wont win you any brownie points, but most don't really care. Although old accounts shouldn't be given preferential treatment, how long someone has been here definately is a consideration. If you are a newbie with 30 posts, and 27 of them are banworthy, well, bye. But if your account is two years old with 2,000 posts and you have a slip up or a bad day, you tend to have a little bit more leniency given. That is not to say that you are untouchable if you have an old account, that is to say you are more likely to get a temporary ban first, or perhaps a second warning.

If anything, the title of this thread should be, MPOE-PR Perma Banned after warning, Temp Ban more appropriate?

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Quote from: SaltySpitoon on April 01, 2014, 01:55:41 PM

Quote from: master-P on April 01, 2014, 01:52:02 PM

Old members shouldn't get preferential treatment if they break the rules. No one would be complaining if a new member got banned for swearing at a moderator. Sometimes people need to be made an example of in order to keep others in check.

You don't get banned for swearing at a moderator. MPOE-PR was asked to stop spamming/trolling by Maged, and rather than stopping, she swore at him. The act of insulting Maged itself didn't get her banned, it was the warning, and then lack of acknowledgement of the warning that got the ban.

I was going by what the OP posted. It's witty how people usually leave out important details when they bash the mods.

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Quote from: master-P on April 01, 2014, 01:52:02 PM

Old members shouldn't get preferential treatment if they break the rules. No one would be complaining if a new member got banned for swearing at a moderator. Sometimes people need to be made an example of in order to keep others in check.

You don't get banned for swearing at a moderator. MPOE-PR was asked to stop spamming/trolling by Maged, and rather than stopping, she swore at him. The act of insulting Maged itself didn't get her banned, it was the warning, and then lack of acknowledgement of the warning that got the ban.

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Old members shouldn't get preferential treatment if they break the rules. No one would be complaining if a new member got banned for swearing at a moderator. Sometimes people need to be made an example of in order to keep others in check.

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