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Topic: MT.Gox caught lying again - page 3. (Read 7169 times)

legendary
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I'd fight Gandhi.
June 08, 2012, 11:23:47 PM
#34
inb4 mem starts bitching to Inaba like an idiot
legendary
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June 08, 2012, 04:05:29 PM
#33
Except, if I contact BFL and ask for my money back, they will give it to me, free of charge.

MTGox, if they consented to give it to me at all (which is dubious at best), would charge me at least half a percent for the privilege... so yeah, nothing like BFL really.
sr. member
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June 08, 2012, 03:51:15 PM
#32
Again, that's fine .. but I'm not being given a choice in this matter.  MTGox tells me they will do X, they fail to do X. Repeatedly.  It's not a one time mistake, that's my point. 


This sound just like BFL.  Very interesting. 

We could just change out MT GOX and replace it with BFL.

Again, that's fine .. but I'm not being given a choice in this matter.  BFL tells me they will do X, they fail to do X. Repeatedly.  It's not a one time mistake, that's my point. 
legendary
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June 08, 2012, 07:35:58 AM
#31
Another day, another fail by MTGox.  They are still holding $10,000 and now refuse to even give me a time frame as to when it might be processed.  Though they helpfully stated that they would "let me know when it's processed."  Gee thanks... like I wouldn't know from Dwolla and the fact that, you know, my balance in Dwolla increased.

rjk
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1ngldh
June 07, 2012, 12:26:28 PM
#30
Run by Roman Shtylman  https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shtylman-37090 who resides in NY.

Replies to emails immediately, excellent customer service. Bitfloor also has the best matching order matching engine in existence.
Yeah as far as I know, he is the only exchange that runs an engine that uses FIX as well as REST for the API. Also offers liquidity rebates.
hero member
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June 07, 2012, 12:23:07 PM
#29
Run by Roman Shtylman  https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shtylman-37090 who resides in NY.

Replies to emails immediately, excellent customer service. Bitfloor also has the best matching order matching engine in existence.
hero member
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June 07, 2012, 11:46:39 AM
#28
Yeah, I've moved all of my operations over to Bitfloor at this point.  I'm done with MTGox.  As soon (or even IF) I can get my last $10,752 bucks out of MTGox, I'll not be trading there again.

Been very happy with my experiences with Bitfloor. Seems like a good operation.
legendary
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June 07, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
#27
Wait what?  It's not blue or orange! 

Naw, it's a New Orleans hat, which I just like the hat cause of the material and fit, not necessarily the fact that it says New Orleans. I have a hard time finding hats that fit my head properly, sadly.

legendary
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June 07, 2012, 10:45:08 AM
#26
Yeah, I've moved all of my operations over to Bitfloor at this point.  I'm done with MTGox.  As soon (or even IF) I can get my last $10,752 bucks out of MTGox, I'll not be trading there again.

legendary
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June 07, 2012, 10:13:58 AM
#25
I'm sure that's coming... b& and v& because I have the temerity to bitch about abysmal customer service and lies.
legendary
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June 07, 2012, 08:54:39 AM
#24
Still nothing from MTGox.  Weak.
legendary
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1davout
June 07, 2012, 05:05:02 AM
#23
interesting
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Wat
June 06, 2012, 11:35:46 PM
#22
3 weeks wait seems  a bit extreme...
hero member
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June 06, 2012, 05:29:36 PM
#21
The most amazing pieces of federal software that I've seen are the sections of IRS forensic accounting systems that catch anomalies.  (Not that the feds are known for programming prowess, but when it comes to taxes, they seem to take it more seriously.)

Credit providers run pretty sophisticated software, too.  It's simultaneously looking for fraud, assessing customer risk in real time, trying to detect money laundering and terrorism financing, looking for indicators of tax evasion and a bunch of other things.

I remember being told years ago that tax department auditors could estimate income to within a few hundred dollars based on lifestyle alone.  I expect that technology and powerful software makes that possible on a larger scale than ever before.

It's important for people to remember that as a general rule transactions of $10,000 and over are not illegal per se.  In the vast majority of cases they'll just be automatically reported and there'll be no further investigation unless some additional factor identifies the transaction/s as "suspicious".  Even when a transaction is flagged, it will often be determined to be legitimate through the most basic of investigations and there'll be no need to report it as "suspicious" to FinSEC/AUSTRAC  or whomever.
legendary
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June 06, 2012, 02:14:13 PM
#20
Again, that's fine .. but I'm not being given a choice in this matter.  MTGox tells me they will do X, they fail to do X. Repeatedly.  It's not a one time mistake, that's my point. 

I was explicitly told by MTGox support that Dwolla withdrawals are now 6 business  days (this was AFTER the first failed attempt that took 2+ weeks that ended up with them canceling the withdrawal, leaving the money "stuck" in MTGox).  Now it's almost 3 weeks later and the money still hasn't processed through Dwolla.  I reconfirmed numerous times in the support ticket that it would take 6 business days, so there was no ambiguity or miscommunication.  It was simply outright lying on MTGox's part.
legendary
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June 06, 2012, 02:05:20 PM
#19
Whatever the rules are is fine as far as that goes and is for another discussion.  The problem for me is that:

A) MTGox did not mention any sort of arbitrary dollar limitation
B) Assured me repeatedly that Dwolla deposit time was 6 business days, knowing full well exactly how much I wished to withdrawal.  So even if those rules were in place, they lied in the original support ticket about the time.

Again, this just smacks of insolvency problems and them being unable to handle even modest withdrawals in a timely fashion. 
legendary
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Firstbits: 1pirata
June 06, 2012, 01:45:26 PM
#18
watching...
vip
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The Casascius 1oz 10BTC Silver Round (w/ Gold B)
June 06, 2012, 01:37:09 PM
#17
CBP in the US has been less than helpful about the "over $10k" rule.  The customs declaration form clearly asks if you're bringing more than $10,000 or equivalent amounts of currency, but the instructions include $10k in the range.  Since the people enforcing this are not "interpreters", bringing in $10k can be problematic.  It also covers "a short period of time" so $3k + $10k may be considered $13k, which will cause your bank to initiate a notification to the IRS as well.

Whether MT Gox → Dwolla → You is considered importation of currency is another matter.  I suspect a number of people are being "cautious" and creating a SNAFU.

The realistic interpretation of >$10k for the purpose of CBP is pretty loose, and probably for a good (to them) reason.

The fact that (10000.00 > 10000.00 == false) and (10000.01 > 10000.00 == true) isn't something they care about nor are they about to.  I would guess that somebody pointing that out would raise their suspicion.  For them, the definition of >10k means "anything that looks like it might be around or over 10k, especially when combined with other transactions going the same way."  So even an amount of 8000.00 while knowing there was another 3000.00 done recently would definitely fit the bill for ">$10k" from an AML perspective.

Now, in hindsight, I have (from last year) a bunch (maybe six or seven) of ACH withdrawals via Dwolla for 9999.75 - that is, $10000 (my limit) minus their 0.25 fee.  Now I am bothered by the thought that I might have tripped some red flag somewhere - the "this person thinks he will stay under the radar by repeatedly transacting just barely under 10000 so he MUST be up to something suspicious let's go kick down his doors" radar, and that it will bring me unwarranted attention.
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