Topic: ムノカミMunokami.com, a strategic online multiplayer bitcoin gambling made in Japan (Read 551 times)

You are definitely right on this one.We dont know if this one is the part of the team or simply just passing on those informations on this forum

on which it would really be that much of relevant on making out complaints because this wouldnt change nothing but if he's the owner

or part of it then he is at least aware on what people been babbling and been complaining here all about.

If you missed the post couple above you then i will quote it for you mate so the OP explanation and proofs are posted above , and also for others to take a chance looking so clarity will come.

maybe this part can explain something that others missed to check.
but of course the thing between Yoshie and the site must be cleared and settled in right manner.

Seems interesting and unique, would appreciate if there would be some simple 'how to' information posted on the website for general public to get the overall idea of the game. Do you plan to add more crypto? How can I validate the fairness of game? Also a community chat groups like telegram and discord where players can interact with each other would be nice to have.

since the OP is not the direct owner of this gaming site, hard to get direct answers from the developers of this game. so if the OP wants to continue promoting this site, i believe it is better for him to ask them to create an official account in the forum. otherwise, i don't think complaining here or raising issues would be a productive one as the OP may just be relaying message to them.
direct communication to the site owners is still a better way to address issues and concerns.

They should settle those issues first before proceeding because leaving pending issues or complaints would totally be making your site or business to be looking badly which it isnt really good for a business to have.

Later on the should fixed all the necessary things to give out good and smooth user experience if they do really like to get some marketshare on this place.

Since they are going for international then they should be aware on it at least.

I agree that these are very strong words and in my opinion they are also completely inadequate to the situation. It is possible, however, that this is due to the fact that it is not a professional translation. It's possible that in Japanese this information is more diplomatic, and just the translation made it so "brute".

I don't like the legal threat that they post after an account was blocked they should just mention the reason why the account was blocked and the remedies not threatening with a legal suit, this is actually a project worthy of a thread in the scam accusation, they may have not yet scam people, but there's a warning sign already, we should be wary of the signs, we are talking of depositing money, if we are going to deposit money they should have 100% of our trust.

Agree that it is quite a strange situation that YOSHII's account has been blocked twice. However, this is only one such case. I think it is too early to make such serious accusations of scam. After all, it could be just a coincidence (I admit it's strange, but it's still not clear evidence).

it was mentioned that this game is played in japan only before it is introduced internationally. so there maybe bugs or issues that need to be fixed and the OP said that it has been fixed already. so in case, they should refund yoshie's funds at the very least. but don't know how their support is acting on this matter. for now, i think even if this game is quite interesting as we are seeing a new game, better let it go for the moment, let the site established its reputation first. but if you do want to try it out, just send small amt of funds so you will not be disappointed if you encounter problems here

I'm sure they will not block your account if they know you come to review and test the site but now that they know it, and you posted your experience here, they unblock your account, so what about the other who will play that does not have an account here in Bitcointalk, it's good that they are exposed this early to avoid members of this forum from trying the site.

The website is not new, as it is said that it has been running for about a year and a half, so such errors should not happen. If any sensors are too fragile, they should be fixed a long time ago. Two blockades in such a short time are a very strange coincidence. Every gambler likes risk, but using this website makes the risk of losing money extremely high.

They should prove out that it was something a mistake or really have some legit issues on such blockage and not just doing that intentionally or else they would be fucking up their reputation on first time they had launched on here.

Every gambling site does start on being new and possibly could face up some issues initially and lets just wait on how they would
try to vlarify things up.

Even myself would really have doubts on making out deposits even though this one looks interesting.

Because he said PUBLICLY without solid evidence that this game is a scam and that I share scam with no real proof! Why didn't he send me a message before making these false accusations PUBLICLY without solid evidence? It's shameful to say that, I have a lot of respect for Mr. YOSHIE, I know he is a serious member here and a good person but I have to defend myself PUBLICLY with solid evidence against these false accusations. Saying such words is a serious attack on my honor (it’s very serious here in Japan to accuse someone without real proof), I’m saddened and shocked to read that he say that I’m a scammer when it is not true!!

He is the only one who had a bad experience here with connection problems with this new international version because he is outside of Japan and directly he dares to PUBLICLY say that this game is a scam, that I am a scammer without solid evidence... it is unacceptable to say that. I’m disappointed and very offended.

As no one here has created an account and played at this game, I will prove to you once again that the game is not a scam: I created a new account on the game and I used only free offered satoshi and I played strategically about ten matchs to try to reach the minimum amount of bitcoin cash (546 SATOSHI) to make a withdrawal request on my real bitcoin cash wallet.

As you can here, it’s my new account. I played about ten matches (exactly 13 games) and I won 599 SATOSHI in total (with victories and defeats).

https://i.imgur.com/5JegNoZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KqHo2uu.jpg

Now, I ask for a withdraw to my real bitcoin cash wallet. I created a new to be sure because I would like to be like a new member.

https://i.imgur.com/JQBiYNu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cGm6TPx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Oafa6aP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IfYurbH.jpg

And as you can see, some time later, I received my 599 SATOSHI to my real bitcoin cash wallet!!!!

https://i.imgur.com/Ot7Vd7W.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vdBEPcW.jpg

You can see by yourself the transaction here on the official bitcoin cash blockchain network. Here is the transaction : https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/4176ce48285ca4b81ddcff0bb6c592e0921598a694d71508e8fe54b5373f7e34

https://i.imgur.com/6x0lY2k.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BhxSxqQ.jpg

And here is the email that the game sends after each withdraw request

https://i.imgur.com/hU5mEhc.jpg

So now, where is the scam with this free bitcoin game ? It's the same regardless of the amount in bitcoin cash.

In conclusion, I didn't pay any bitcoin (because it's a free game!), I played only with free offered satoshi and won 599 SATOSHI in total of bitcoin cash and I withdrew it into my bitcoin cash wallet. I received it and you have the proof on the official bitcoin cash blockchain network that I received these 599 satoshi. I have made many withdrawals and I have received them all. It's the same for all of my friends who play at this game here in Japan. They make withdrawals with much larger amounts such as 5,000 yen ¥ = $50 or 10,000 yen ¥ = $100 without any problems!

Now with this solid evidence, please explain to me where the scam is with this game? Is this game a scam? NO! You have to pay NOTHING to play at this game, it’s a free bitcoin game and you can withdraw you wins to your real bitcoin cash wallet. I'm going to be crazy, in what language should I say it? Maybe in Japanese ? lol このゲームのどこに詐欺があるのか

I'm sorry for my anger, I can't let people accuse me so easily (and without solid evidence) of sharing scams without defending myself. I was publicly humiliated. I have all the evidence here that this game isn’t a scam. I’m a nice person but accusing me of sharing scams is too much for me. I’m very angry because I can't accept this!

This game hardly does any advertising here in Japan, it doesn't need it, it's the people who talk about it because it's fun. Except the advertisement in a local TV, I was surprised about that and I would be surprised if they advertise internationally. There is no real communication or marketing.
As soon as I saw that this game had launched a new international version (in several languages) at the beginning of December and accessible outside Japan, I wanted to share it here. I don't know if it's the final international version or if they are still launching but considering the connection problems of Mr. YOSHIE, I think they are still in development...Maybe I should have waited before publishing the game here... There has been no communication from them, the company that manages the game is discreet. They do not advertise or make bonus offers. This game is totally different, it's something new (or strange) but what's makes it successful here. Will it have the same success internationally? I don't know, maybe yes, maybe no ^^ I also see recently on the game that I play against new French and American players.

It is nice to know, if that’s the case. I guess it can be assumed that they are still on the process of delivering services smoothly on an international level, if they really did good within Japan. I must say that the management must have designed and tried out first their international operation before launching it officially here then.

Instead of putting the BLAME on Yoshie's why not communicate with him  directly so there will be closure on your both ends and the case will be settled.

I Believe that Yoshie will address this case if you will clearly point things in him instead of  tackling here in your ANN Thread.

Yoshie is a fair account and if he finds this is about on His part surely this will end up good.

I talked to all of my friends (who play at this game) about YOSHIE’s experience and none of them say that this game is a scam. They laughed at me, this game has been serious (since its launch) for almost 1.5 years between students here in Japan and they still pay their withdrawals each time. That’s not a scam, they showed me they withdraw and their bitcoin cash wallet and they receive all of them. I also made an other withdraw of 1 558.3¥ and I receive it on my bitcoin cash wallet, you can see it here :

https://i.imgur.com/xKgDc8y.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VP7F1U8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/AFqiiIS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/PNzGTIM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/N5OeaMv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/b7gOWBK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xtr5ati.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BaV13Dc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WYLiczO.jpg

Considering what I read above, what happened to YOSHIE is obviously a mistake on their part with the launch of their new international version in the beginning of December, it seems that they had problems with the banning of IP addresses outside Japan, it can happen and the problem was solved and his account has been unlocked. This is proof that the company that manages the game is keeping track of what is going on.

The first versions of the game were blocked internationally by IP except in Japan and YOSHIE is obviously not from Japan, that's maybe the problem he had at the beginning with the game. As I said, it's a new international version that has just been launched in early December 2021, they probably had problems with the players outside Japan but it's fixed now.



You didn’t answer to my previous questions. Have you sent money on this game ? How much exactly did you win ? Have you contacted the game support about your connection problems ? You said that you blocked the game yourself and never back on it again… Sorry my friend, I know that you are considered as a serious person here in this forum but I can't let you say that this game is a scam or I share scam when it isn't, you need to show to us solid proof. The game has an excellent reputation here in Japan between students since his beginning (July/August 2020), it’s not a scam, it’s impossible! The game is free! Where is the scam if you don't pay anything ?

And even the money you can send must not exceed ¥500 = $5. Sending money is a new feature on this new international version due to players' demand, it didn't exist before. Basically, this game is free, you don't have to do a deposit to play. Once again, where is the scam?

To detect a scam, it's simple : when you sent money on a site, this disappear or bans your account without any good reason, you try to contact them after a problem but they don’t response to you or they don't pay you back which is not the case here. The game support contacted you, acknowledged their problem, follows what is going on and unblocked your account and they compensated you with 5$ to apologize. Unfortunately, you blocked the game yourself because you didn't like your first experience with it, Ok I understand that, it's your right but don't say that this game is a scam or that I share scams when it's not true. You can said that the game is bad, you don't like it but you don't have the right to say that it's a scam when it's totally false. As a Japanese, my honor is violated by such words because I am the one who shared the game here. Sorry but it's not honest from you, I can't let you publicly tell lies about me so easily when it's not true. I have all the evidence here that this game is not a scam and that it pays well via bitcoin cash.

Is there anyone here who has been really scammed by this game?
Has anyone here made a deposit on this game, get been banned for no good reason? and it hasn't been refunded ? or the game support does not respond?

That's the big problem on internet, there are plenty of people who have played at this game, have received their bitcoin cash without any problems so they don't say it but if one person has a small connection problem like YOSHEE’s case since it is outside Japan (and in addition he blocks himself the game) and said that is a scam with no real proof, everyone will say it's a scam, that he was scammed (and we don’t know if he has done a deposit) and was banned without any reason, the support of the game does not answer (whereas he didn't contact them),...all this is wrong and no one here will play when it's a free game. I don't understand why you said it's scam because you don’t have to deposit any money on this game to play, it’s a free game, you play with free satoshi. Tell me how can this game be a scam since it is a free game where you don't have to do a deposit to play???

You will see with time that this game is not a scam, it is only at its international launch...when it will be known internationally like here in Japan, no one will dare to say that this game is a scam

I address myself to all the other readers who read this topic and want to play and know if this game is a scam or not :
I think that the better solution to proof that this game isn't a scam is to try by yourself : register to this game, don’t sent any bitcoin on it, only play with free satoshi offered and when you have the minimum to sent to your wallet (546 SATOSHI) , then ask for a withdraw to your real bitcoin cash wallet and you’ll see if this game is a scam or not. If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the game support who is there for that.

I shared this game because I'm a simple player who liked it, it's fun, free and it's a hit here in Japan! That's why they are launching an international version. Everyone is playing it here without any problems. This game is a pride for Japanese people like me and when I saw that they were launching this international version in early December, I thought why not share it on this international bitcoin forum. I will never share a scam and I have never asked to pay for the game or to get any bonuses. Besides, this game does not offer any bonuses and it is not a gambling or a game of chance or an online casino game or a sports betting site or a lottery because there is no chance possible, you play online against others real players. There is no money to send (or anything else) to play and this is why this game is totally different and what makes its success here in Japan.


This game isn’t a gambling game, it's an online multiplayer strategy game with bitcoin and it has already received very good certifications from the authorities here in Japan to be launched. If this game were a gambling or a scam, it would already be banned here in Japan for almost 1.5 years because gambling or scam are strictly prohibited. Japanese authorities don't mess around with online gambling or scam. Here, there is even a commercial that aired on local TV for this game not long ago!

I don't want to defend them, because the situation is quite strange indeed. If an account was blocked only once, I would say it could have been a coincidence, but two blockades in such a short time make it a very seriously suspicious situation. Of course, it could still be a coincidence and they were actually just mistakes, but anyway it certainly makes me not make any deposit here.

Seems to me they can't afford to pay the winners. You are a good customer as long as you are losing money but god forbid if you somehow managed to win, then... KYC AML FBI AMC GME bam they'll throw everything they got. A trusted casino don't act this way. Only scammers do.

YOSHIE is a pretty solid member so I trust his words. I wouldn't play in this casino.

my experience is very bad knowing the Munokami.com gambling site, which I have ever known, proof, I already said on page 1,2 very bad, if you are the same as me as a player, useless to discuss, but you introduce us here the worst site, maybe not with you, it's very annoying for me, I'm having a problem that doesn't make any sense to me.

• Why did they suddenly block the account.
• They suddenly re-opened the account, what was that for, if they have blocked, is it because I haven't deposited.
• After I tried to bet there and won two hours later, I logged in again, they said your password is 8 characters, numbers and lowercase letters, what is that for.

Actually I have ignored and blocked the Munokami.com site and never visited it again.

Maybe the game isn't perverted for you but to me it is a misleading game, they can block accounts whenever they want, the weirdest experience.

Well the game is confusing, I don't really understand it much, but it strikes me that they have a somewhat strange security, if the account of a member of the forum was prohibited by IP, in my case I always connect from the IP of my smartphone with your data, and sometimes when I am at home with my PC, obviously the IPs are different, will a possible ban occur if I am connected from my smartphone if my PC is working in the background with the casino page active?
Thanks.