Topic: ムノカミMunokami.com, a strategic online multiplayer bitcoin gambling made in Japan - page 2. (Read 550 times)

So you are not the owner of the site and just a regular player who often plays that game? I thought you were the owner so we asked you about @YOSHIE's problem. Maybe if you know the owner, you can invite him/her/they to come here and explain why that is happening so there is a clear explanation from the owner because that is too strange for us.

I think the demo version is not a waste of time because before a player deposits the money, they know what the game they will play and how to play correctly to see if they have a chance to win or luck. After all, that game is one of the gambling games based on luck.

I am curious if your friends have the same experience as YOSHIE and we will wait for the next from you.

Bad reports are already coming against this website, even they have remained silent without solving user problems. So before supporting them, their activities should be closely monitored. Because after reading your review, a new gambler may join this website and lose their money. Until they solve users' problems, we should refrain from giving them such positive reviews.

This is the first time I have seen this with this game. Here, we don’t see this game as a scam or it would have been banned a long time ago. The bitcoin you played is usually offered and small. Maybe it’s the launch of their new version with some bugs… I don’t know exactly. Is your account banned again? How much deposit did you pay and how much did you win/lost? Did you contact the game support for this ? it would be really surprising if this game is a scam given the very good reputation it has here in Japan for almost a year and a half. I have done a lot of withdraw to my real bitcoin cash wallet since one year and I have too done some deposit on it and I never had problem.


As I said, this game has a good reputation here between students and it would be very bad that it’s a scam since the money played is generally offered. Usually the scams are with big money and in addition, the possibility to make deposits is a new feature that did not exist in the old version. I’ve been playing it for almost 1 year and I’ve never had a problem. Has anyone here deposited money on the game and has been scamed ?

The demo version is a waste of time, you play against fake adversaries and displacements are random. No body play demo version. It’s really a pity that because of the bad experience of one user, everybody thinks it’s a scam and nobody plays it. You don’t have to deposit any bitcoin to play, just play with the offered Satoshi and transfer your winnings to your wallet

I’m very shocked to hear this. I’m not promoting any scam, it’s just a fun game that we play here in Japan between students, I have been playing this game for almost a year now (principally on the old version), I have always received my withdraw and no student here has complained that it is a scam. I know a lot of students who got their bitcoin won on their wallet like I did with no problem. Also, there is a contact support but I don’t understand, is there anyone here who has been scammed? I understand that my first post was very bad and not professional (I’m not an advertising promoter for this game, I’m just a simple player) and I never said to do a deposit, just only play with offered bitcoin cash. This game is fun

I would like to know if anyone here has made a deposit on this game (or made a withdrawal request) and has been banned or scammed? and especially for @YOSHIE, how much did you lost ? how did it go? Can you explain with details & proof, I will talk to some friends (who play at this game) tomorrow about your experience, for sure. Thank you



Thank you my friend. I'm trying to understand what happened to @YOSHIE, it’s why I would like to know more about his experience and I’ll talk to friends tomorrow about YOSHIE’s experience. I’m very surprised as I’m a regular player of this game. I never had any problems, they are very serious.

The demo version is a waste of time, I don’t know why the game has add this demo version, it was not there in the old version. I have the impression that in any game/program, every time there is an update, it is naked lol   The good thing about this game is that it’s a online multiplayer game. There is no hazard or random displacement.


It’s what I did, I’m waiting the response of @YOSHIE about his experience.
For the problem, the best thing to do is to contact the help/support of the game. I’m just a simple player who love this game

I taught since you said you want to add something difference, it is going to be the errors you found on the platform, i a normal bases the graphics of the platform is good to me i not found anything complicating to the site because it takes me time to go through the platform verifying the scope of this one after the other but no errors, but i can not condemn your observations

Yes , YOSHIE"s question must be addressed completely and not just like what OP is doing answering partially and not addressing the main question.

Yeah it is New , yeah it is authentic Japanese game, but what happened to the banning from yoshies account?
what is the main reason why this happen when he does not violate any rules from your TOS?

Why is this happened that if you telling the truth that you not made a single mistake but they block your account
I think this site is a scam we need to be carefull and avoid this kind of untrustworthy sites.
Thanks god I did not registered yet because I am busy.
I like this game cause it is a multiplayer game but all of the sudden this is what I'm got if I continued to create an account. Wich is not good I think.
Thanks for sharing your experience about this game for sure many gamblers did not know yet bout this.

I guess @OP needs to explain what happened to @YOSHIE after he answered the question from other members because it is too strange and suspicious if the site can easily block an account, especially if @YOSHIE did not do something that broke the rule. I believe what @YOSHIE said, but it is too weird about his case once again.

My suggestion to @OP. I checked on your site, I see there is a button to Play Demo but we need to sign up or login so I suggest you let users/visitors Play Demo without signing up so they can feel and play the game before they decide to sign up. I just repeat what @RapTarX suggests because visitors will determine whether they want to sign up and stay at your site or move to another site.

All in all, welcome to Bitcointalk. Enjoy your stay here while you promote your site.

Well on top of your post OP responded , and i think lets wait for the complainant to respond also about what really happened and what will be the solution .
But yes this is not a good start in a Newly promoted kind of game in which majority of us are not familiar , also coming from an Newly created account makes this more suspicion in gamblers part.
Hope all will be settled as i find the game col to learn but the company is questionable .

We don't know on whats behind or motive on that kind of activity on which he do really pretend to be like and when issues arise then he do just washed hands?

You should at least make out some clarification for this one for us to be having some idea on whats going on or simply tell us something
about on this.

This is where we get confused, if you yourself are not responsible for losing someone's funds then why are you pretending to be promoting casinos and creating threads about casinos?

Aren't there two contradicting statements, you seem to be promoting a casino, but in the end you also don't know what to do when something like this happens? If you don't start, nothing will happen. It is not like that?

A lot of controversy to start advertising on Bitcointalk. I understand that in practice it is best to find and correct minor errors, but the ones that occur here don't seem small. I think you should verify a lot of things before you start promoting your or actually any project here.

so are you part of the site's team? why did you say contact them? it seems to me that you are just a player also of this game. i really thought that you are the owner of this japanese game. so would be hard for you to answer some questions if you are not the owner.
also, for those users who are interested to play, the OP already said that you can't deposit more than 5 bucks and just wait for the free yen. so for those who sent their deposits, i don't think the OP can help you as he is not the owner of the site.
with every new casino, it is always better to test with very small deposits so you will not feel screwed.

皆さん、こんにちは

Thank you all my friends for your responses and nice to meet you too, and sorry for my late answer, I wasn’t at home this weekend and I had a hard Monday ^^

I know that this game is difficult to understand in the beginning for non Japanese people, with no tutorials, no help, … nothing and I would like to apologize to you for my first post, it was very short, not clear at all and very bad. Honestly, I didn’t expect any answers ^^

Explanations

This bitcoin game is relatively new (< 1,5 year) and not known but it has some little local success here (between students) principally in Japan in the cities where I live (Yokohama 横浜 / Tokyo 東京). The first version was hidden and only available for Japanese’s students with specific access and there aren’t any official tutorials (or FAQ) that explain how to play, it’s only by word of mouth that we learn to play so I’ll try to do my best to explain to you how to play and what I learned.

Game’s explanations
In this game, each match is played with Bitcoin Cash and the goal’s game consists of predefining a movement of your principal character on an obstacle map with blocks. It’s look like a old game ^^

https://i.imgur.com/FSCRiHS.jpg

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If you are a bitcoin eater, your goal will be to catch as many bitcoin coins as possible with your chosen move. Each time you pick up a coin, you earn a small percentage of this coin. This percentage depends on the map and the number of adversaries.

If you are a Bitcoin coin, your goal will be to avoid being picked up by the coin eater with your previously chosen move. Each time another coin (not you but your fellow players) is eaten by the coin eater, you will earn a large percentage of bitcoin cash from the picked up coin.

Then you can transfer the Bitcoin Cash you’ve won to your Bitcoin Cash wallet.

Game’s explanations to start a training match (or demo match available in the home page) : it’s a match against fakes adversaries with random displacements, the bitcoin cash played is fictitious

You need to choose your character :  coin (left) or coin eater (right)

https://i.imgur.com/B3Tm59U.jpg

Once you have chosen your character type, you need to select the map you want to play on, your deposit, and the number of opponents (number of coins to catch).

https://i.imgur.com/IPYuRq7.jpg

Then comes the most important thing: the choice of your character’s movement

https://i.imgur.com/dXKXK5U.jpg

Of course, you don’t know what moves your opponents will choose… otherwise it’s too easy. There are many move strategies depending on the type of character, the type of map as well as the number of opponents to increase the probability of winning the game! You have to think carefully and set up movement tactics…

Note: for the training match, bitcoin cash are not real, adversaries are fake and displacements are random. Don’t waste your time to play training match, no body play these match. I don’t know why there is a demo match because it’s random and not useful, honestly it’s a waste of time.

Game’s explanations to start a real match (with real bitcoin cash) against real adversaries: It’s the same steps like start a training match but you have to wait until real adversaries join your match.

To start a real match, you have to go to your account, click on “play” button and click to “New Match” button

https://i.imgur.com/JrY1SVg.jpg

After that, you have to choose your map, your deposit and the adversaries number. There are 21 maps available. Each map has specifics parameters like the number of adversaries authorized, distribution of earnings, …

https://i.imgur.com/zFdUK0b.jpg

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For example, I’ll start a real match against 4 adversaries on the map Tokyo 東京 with a start deposit of 10 902 SATOSHI = 0.00010902 BCH ≈  5.63¥

There is a resume of your potential gains on the right screen. If I catch :

1 coin, I’ll win 0 SATOSHI (draw or tie match)
2 coin, I’ll win 0 SATOSHI (draw or tie match)
3 coin, I’ll win +1.64¥ for a total of 1.64¥ won
4 coin, I’ll win +4.77¥ for a total of 6.42¥ won
5 coin, I’ll win +42.93¥ for a total of 49.35¥ won

In resume : if I catch all the coins, it’s a strike and I’ll win 49.35¥. Of course, you can withdraw these BCH won to your real wallet.

If you click on the button on the right “show profits of each coins”, you’ll see the resume of the potential gains of the coin

If the eater coin (me in this match) catch :
1 coin, the remaining 4 coins will earn +2.47¥ for a total of 2.47¥ earned
2 coin, the remaining 3 coins will earn +4.11¥ for a total of 6.58¥ won
3 coin, the remaining 2 coins will earn +7.4¥ for a total of 13.98¥ won
4 coin, the remaining last coin will earn +19.08¥ for a total of 33.06¥ won

If the last coin is caught, he loose his profit and the eater coin does a strike and win all deposit of all players (49.35¥). The initial deposit of each coin is 9.87¥ (more than the deposit of the eater coin)

In the next step, you have to choose strategically your displacement. When other adversaries join your map, they will choose too a displacement for their character’s. Of course, you can’t know the displacements of other adversaries. Nobody knows the movements of other players except his own

https://i.imgur.com/teak0CA.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oLQxM3h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BmJYCUn.jpg

This match is now online, so you have to wait until real adversaries (others players) join your match. If you click on your match, you can see details about it like who play against you,…you can see the progress of your match.

The waiting time depend how many players are online, how many started match are online,…

https://i.imgur.com/zLPLVEy.jpg

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When your match is finished, you will receive a notification (by email, you can deactivate this option on your parameter’s account) and you can see your match.

https://i.imgur.com/yK4TAWY.jpg

As you can see at this match, I caught 2 coin so I win 0¥, it’s a draw match for me

https://i.imgur.com/c3JkjYP.jpg

The remaining 3 coins each earn ¥6.58

Game’s explanations to join a real match with real bitcoin cash against real adversaries:

To join a match, you have to go on your account, click on “play” button and click to “rejoin match” button. After that, you can choice a randomly online started match to join. If no match is found, it’s seems that no one has started a match so you have to start a match or wait for someone to start a match.

Each started match has a deposit to join it fixed by the coin eater when he started the match.

https://i.imgur.com/rBccN2C.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kSa7cMd.jpg

You can see who has join the match, where are all free and locked positions. A free position is an available position for you and a locked position it’s a position that is played by a player right now (< 15min)

https://i.imgur.com/O1a4hy2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QkqzGC9.jpg

You can see you gains on the right screen.

For example, in this started match, the deposit to join it is fixed to 0.2¥
If the eater coin catch :
1 coin, I’ll win +0.03¥ for a total of 0.03¥ won
2 coin, I’ll win +0.21¥ for a total of 0.24¥ won

You can choose a free place to lock it. When your place is locked, you have 15min to choose your displacement. When a place is locked, no one can use this place for a delay of 15 min. After this delay without choosing a displacement, your position will be unlocked and available for other players.

https://i.imgur.com/nO9r98T.jpg

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After your confirmation, you must wait until others players join the match and you can see details of this match

https://i.imgur.com/KoYbIQc.jpg

When your match is finished, you receive a notification and you can see your match

https://i.imgur.com/kLYJZyw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HB5panG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Rve8vaZ.jpg

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As you can see, the eater coin was very smart with his move and he caught me and an other coin so I loose this match and my initial deposit of 0.2¥

Here is all the strategy of this game, there’s no hazard or randomly displacements with real match, the smartest guys will win most of the time and others will lost.

There are many strategies to increase the probability of wining depending on the map, the number of adversaries, …

Note : every 12 hours, if you bitcoin cash’s wallet is < 2.7¥ = 50 SATOSHI, you can get 50 SATOSHI to play. You don’t need to deposit or paid any bitcoin cash to play real match.

I advise you to don’t put a deposit on it, just play with offered satoshi and withdraw your gains to your real BCH wallet

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I will try to answer each of you ^^

I understand that it is very difficult to play this game without any tutorial. As I already said, there isn’t any tutorial even in Japanese, no official explanations or FAQ. I don’t know why. Here we explain the game by word of mouth ^^ or every one learn how to play by himself with no help. Students called this game : オタクゲーム (geek game) ^^

A good tip: if you are starting a match, choose the maximum movement time to save time before the coins have finished moving so you can catch them more easily at the end of your movement. If you’re a coin, go directly to the coin eater or always stay in the same place.

Have you try to play with your phone ?

I don’t know exactly why the game is only in BCH. I used to play only with satoshi offered but I advise you to don’t send any deposit, play only with free yen/satoshi offered and withdraw what you win

Thank you and yes, this game is 100% made in Japan ^^ Me too, I love multiplayer games for the same reasons.

The game has now translations. The old version was only in japanese

Exactly, each move must be calculated to increase his probability to win, it’s not a hazard game like most gambling. I don’t know if we can call this game a “gambling” or a “casino game”, it’s very different because there isn’t any hazard or FIAT currencies, it’s only with real bitcoin cash offered.

Yes, you’re right, as I already said, this game is new (< 1,5years). The first version was only available here in Japan for students of universities (with special access) and internationally/locally blocked but I don’t know exactly why, how & when. Maybe, in the beginning, it was an “hidden game” reserved for students and now this game wants to become international. This new version is very recent but I don’t have more information.

No, I just shared this fun game with you, I’m a simple player. A friend from my university showed me this game +-one year ago, how to have access and how to play. The old version was not open to every one like now with these little “help explanations” in all languages (and others news features). What we said to me about the game : it was made by a team of former gifted students : they are full stack engineers, they made a lot of money with their blockchain projects and they also have a lot of money because they invested in bitcoin/altcoins at the beginning (some of them are very big bitcoin/altcoin whales with tens of millions of dollars.) and now they have left Japan to offshore countries but I have no more information about them or their team / company. Here in Japan, nobody talk a lot, everyone is discreet ^^


You’re right, we must be very careful with gambling like this. Maybe you have done a mistake, I don’t know, I can’t help you but you can contact them or create a new account. However, I advise you to don’t push any deposit on this game and only play with offered yen ¥ . In my university, this game is played generally between students in lunch time (or inter-cours) for fun with a very small deposit and without putting any bitcoin cash or money on it. I have +- 1 000¥ sometime up to +-5 000¥  max in my wallet if I play and win a lot, not more because the deposit for started match are limited to max +-5¥. I know students who deposit money on it but it’s very small, you can’t deposit more that 500¥ =+-5$. The ability to make deposits is a new feature that did not exist in the first old version. You must wait to get offered yen. Here, this game is really used to play with little money for fun with friends and not to earn big money like casino gambling. Sometime, I withdraw my small profits to my BCH wallet to bought some cheap stuffs/food with them (with my bitcoin visa card) ^^

I hope I have answered your questions well and I'll respond to other tomorrow night, I'm so tired, it's very late here  ^^

I just have tried to check it out with demo but demo match requires a full registration which I guess a bit ridiculous. It would be great if users could have the demo version tried as guest. I was looking for something like that but I had to get back instantly aftet watching the registration page.

This is what I'm thinking too and then I saw Yoshie post about his account got blocked for an unknown reason. The owner probably want to trap the user fund and use the warning accusation to freeze the account without any reason. This website is red flag and the OP should be flag by now for promoting his scam website. Newbie might fall victim to his scheme since the idea is fresh and exciting coz this is the first time for a casino to offer this kind of gambling game. Good thing that there's many reputable user here that always trying new casino to give feedback and warn all the user. This is what I love about the forum.

Welcome to the Gambling Discussion forum

It seems that this game is easier to play on mobile than on computer screen. For now I will try to create an account and run the demo version of the game. It's quite exciting, like a classic game that presents a gaming atmosphere when we were still in 2000. The update allows us to bet with crypto. Very different from the games in other casinos. Even without betting on the kids, they also seem to be able to play.



Thanks for reminding us, I just played the demo version, but with the notice you gave I'm not going to continue.

Thank you for the advice and you have experimented so that we know the truth that this gambling site is indeed misleading and does not need to be visited again.
If no one complains of course some will make a deposit with this game trap, I suspect the OP for not being serious in handling this.

It's proof that @YOSHIE is already a victim.

Hello, the Bitcointalk community for gamblers I suggest never deposit or play on the Munokami.com gambling site, they are unfair and dishonest, if you make a deposit your money will be lost, your account will be automatically blocked.

Now it's happening again to me, this time in a different mode.
First: account is blocked for no reason.
Second: they reactivated my account with a $5 bonus in BCH.
Third: after I played with the bonus they gave me $5 and I won big.
Fourth: suddenly this happened, like the notification below, what the hell, misleading.


Munokami.com site is a scam site, they can block accounts whenever they want, if you win big, your money will disappear, avoid Munokami.com site, for your safety.

Thanks for the feedback on this casino game. It's such a helpful feedback and experience that you've got there since they really seems to be an attractive website.
With such random ban that they do to the accounts, it's really out of sight on their dev team and gamblers would be staying away from such. Btw, is this really made in Japan or the owner of it just want to label it as it's made there.

There is nothing difficult here.... you set your path before you play and the character will run that path and if he collides with other characters, they die. So you have to predict where other players will go and hope to miss them?  

You only have a limited amount of moves.. and so do they. My problem is... if I press say the down arrow... it goes all the way down... not just one block at a time... would it not be better if it goes one black at a time?