Topic: My 1,132 BTC stolen by Paymium ongoing exchange index via BitStamp. (Read 5000 times)

WTF is this? You're telling me that you've been here since 2011 and 20k+ posts later, you never stored a single bitcoin on your personal wallet? I'm blown away by this. It's not about who is trusted or not to hold your bitcoins, but rather the importance of having control of your own crypto wealth in your own hands. Seeing the recent onslaught of your recent posts and how you're relatively well spoken, I expected you to be smarter than this.

This was quite an expensive lesson, huh?

Hi PG,

It sounds like the BTC hasnt moved and may still be available. I'd like to help if I can. How did you first acquire the BTC? Was it a cash transaction, a gift from someone else, did you sell goods/services, or did you mine it?

What was the date of the deposit to ?

The original wallet contained 1,132 and I split it up into two wallets: 1,000 BTC and 132 BTC.

I was uber-pissed at the onset in the now locked InstaWallet claims thread until I was kindly informed via a fellow Bitcoiner to chill, that being the better course of action, of which I heeded his advice. It wasn't until October, 2013, and beyond, when I resubmitted claims and they went unanswered via email, et al. that I went into I WAS PISSED OFF MOTHERFUCKER mode.

These Paymium motherfuckers were able to garner a $400K USD VC from Gilitt, and with that capital they created, then closed four ventures, with the only one remaining is Bitcoin-Central, a Bitcoin exchange servicing the European market. Here's is there reach:

I'm sorry to bump in and play noob but...  Why the heck did you put so much bitcoins on ONE wallet; why did you not use offline storage and back it up?  Why did you not split the BTC into smaller amounts???

If I was you, I'd be acting a lot more pissed   Sorry for your loss :/

It was less than $20K USD at the time when I first entrusted the bitcoins with InstaWallet, seeing that davout was staff and all and that theymos trusted him. Besides, several large wallets, some over 1,000 BTC, were refunded by InstaWallet to various (assumed, but...) non-customers of theirs during the first refunds as seen in the txs, some of which flowed directly to Bitcoin-Central. At the onset, NOBODY with only 50 BTC in their wallets was expecting refunds until after all the ones under said amount were united first. This fact was reiterated several times, but proved to not be the case from the very first refund.

Note to self: Google wallet.dat.

Yes, I think tracking down the original wallet that you had the 1,000+ coins in is the key.

This whole story really sucks, I hate to hear it. It's a true deception of trust all around from the sounds of it. It seems like at the time you weren't very security safe when it came to Bitcoin, but I don't think many people were. You had no reason to have any alarms go off either because davout is staff here. It does all seem really crazy.

Good thing is if you can somehow prove those are your Bitcoins, it looks like they are still sitting somewhere.

Are they still offering "claims" or "refunds" for when that "hack" happened? I wonder how many bitcoins have been left behind or people just simply didn't bother with redeeming them?

Not sure what a wallet.dat is unless I look it up, but the bitcoins were purchased anonymously in December, 2012, residing on InstaWallet ever since. I did move them 2-3 times prior to the "hack" but ended that practice when I realized that IW was already washing the coins via the share-wallet process he spoke of.

Paymium has the IP I used/use and can easily find them unless all the data was expunged, hence wanting to know who the auditor was from the get-go, along with everybody else, but the name of the outfit has never been released, ergo there wasn't one.

This was an outright thief of my bitcoins, along with others: Nothing more; Nothing less!

The principals of Paymium have shut down ALL lines of communication with me, and even have me on ignore on this forum.

All I needed was for the URLs to display exactly what was display prior to InstaWallet being "hack" and I would have the two bitcoin wallet addresses, thus making my task a tad easier. Hell, according to blockchain.info, my last transaction from the 1Jpp... wallet didn't happen in spite of we all know it did.

The transactions just don't make any sense. InstaWallet shows that I had 0.835 BTC in my 1Jpp... wallet, of which I did and don't dispute that, but blockchain.info shows it as 0.94 BTC, all 10 days prior to the "hack". How the fuck is that even possible?

Also, prior to the "hack" the two larger wallets showed 0 BTC on blockchain.info, but on InstaWallet the balance was correct, of which I chalked it up to the shared-wallet mumble-jumble davout claimed was the reason, thus not worried about it because he was a trusted staff member of BitcoinTalk.

Bitcoin-Central is an exchange that serves the entire European theatre, yet...

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitcoin-central.net

Let's see if the following illustrates what I've been trying to express.

https://www.instawallet.org/w/sMceOus2wYrDVAHxA5BssBwB7kgDqC9r4Q <-- This URL was the only one of the three claims that I submitted that included a bitcoin wallet address, namely 1JppeHVdYQEBGR4uHVTqLQsb2FY1wUTziH. At first, it too didn't have an address associated with the other two URLs that I put in a claim for, but somebody at InstaWallet, probably davout, forgot that I publicly declared said wallet during the time frame that others were expressing a grave concern about InstaWallet, thus only that URL finally included said wallet address as seen here: https://www.instawallet.org/w/sMceOus2wYrDVAHxA5BssBwB7kgDqC9r4Q.

Note the two other claims on this wallet, none of which were mine, after I submitted my claims. Also note that the first claim was made the day after davout returned to this forum after being absent for almost a month.

I happened to stumble upon the followed thread via a search at the time when I, too, notice an anomaly I never seen before on all three wallets, offering up the lesser funded wallet as an example of what was taking place.


Quick aside: I just now recalled that I had another InstaWallet account containing about a dozen bitcoins, but there's no way I can prove it because the URL I bookmarked was on my old laptop that I no longer have, hence now a lost, but 100% not concerned about it at this speaking since I lost all interest in it. I guess I was so caught up with the lesser funded wallet I named publicly prior to the "hack" and the two larger wallets, I somehow spaced-off the other wallet till now, my memory jogged upon rereading the quote.

Let's take a quick look at my last transaction from the 1Jpp... wallet.

https://blockchain.info/address/1JppeHVdYQEBGR4uHVTqLQsb2FY1wUTziH

https://blockchain.info/tx/cb32e5147c0510a3423a9b9c57a90fa949a3960422563bf8ade5a621a0939cec

The last transaction from the 1Jpp... wallet was to a fellow Bitcoiner to pay out a bounty: https://blockchain.info/tx/cb32e5147c0510a3423a9b9c57a90fa949a3960422563bf8ade5a621a0939cec

I referred to it as a bounty above, but probably considered a contest and basically the same thing: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-1-btc-for-the-least-worded-t-shirt-132012

The 0.105 BTC bounty was paid here (surprised to see he's letting it sit): https://blockchain.info/address/13wVc8gyoBSeTGmc7Abz3xtJ5QYRjWenTC

I still haven't figured out the hops made between 1JppeHVdYQEBGR4uHVTqLQsb2FY1wUTziH and 13wVc8gyoBSeTGmc7Abz3xtJ5QYRjWenTC, for the transactions just don't make any sense, and you'll soon see that the .105 BTC was never deducted from the 0.94BTC.

But, let's together try to track down where the 0.835 BTC went to, since 1JppeHVdYQEBGR4uHVTqLQsb2FY1wUTziH showed 0 BTC, hence being in a "shared wallet" davout mentioned above.

First hop was the first transaction in this wallet: https://blockchain.info/address/115gPsCmizwGfAHhGAKyQoQujCAMQFZAmy having this tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/cb32e5147c0510a3423a9b9c57a90fa949a3960422563bf8ade5a621a0939cec

This was 11 days prior to the "hack" on April 1, 2013. So far, no problem, for it's a "shared wallet" in InstaWallet's control. One would be hard-pressed to declare otherwise, ergo 115gPsCmizwGfAHhGAKyQoQujCAMQFZAmy was/is controlled by InstaWallet.

The second transaction consisting of 1.496 BTC took place on April 3, 2013 as seen in this tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/2aee04434e088353f936dbccf235d56c702a88a2c36cecc7659f97226bb024c7

What's odd with the above is that Paymium put all of InstaWallet and Bitcoin-Central's BTC into one wallet on April 1, 2013: https://blockchain.info/address/1LrPYjto3hsLzWJNstghuwdrQXB96KbrCy

How the fuck did they not include the one wallet that held my 0.835 BTC in the 1LrPY... bitcoin wallet?

https://blockchain.info/tx/6f54104d6d02e3777944eb3bee397d44958e1f4e6160cd68b54591e4257798e6

The next time my 0.835 BTC was moved (above tx) was on August 28, 2013, to the following wallet: 1MsmThtteKPu6fWxwn2SMDEnmJex3vKSBk. The 1LrPY... wallet only had 4 transactions during its lifetime, 2 of which involved my bitcoins, of which is totally undisputed.

Note: The transactions were all for 0.94 BTC even though my last balance was for sure 0.835 BTC as seen here: https://www.instawallet.org/w/sMceOus2wYrDVAHxA5BssBwB7kgDqC9r4Q

It's not even showing the bounty amount I paid out and is documented (scroll up a tad). Either way, unless one can prove otherwise, 0.94 BTC and 0.835 BTC can be considered interchangeable.

I just now proved that the 1MsmThtteKPu6fWxwn2SMDEnmJex3vKSBk bitcoin wallet belongs to Paymium/InstaWallet as well, so let's see when it was first funded.

https://blockchain.info/address/1MsmThtteKPu6fWxwn2SMDEnmJex3vKSBk?offset=150&filter=0

It looks like it was created/funded on 2013-04-20 21:04:47 as seen in this tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/2b286901c3876b9ac0a537e1915194bc6759850c2e05448cfd21fc31937e2601

This is really odd on three fronts.

First, this is InstaWallet's bitcoin address since it will eventually contain my 0.835 BTC (0.94 according to their accounting practices, for remember I paid out 0.105 on 2013-03-20 01:16:50 as seen here: https://blockchain.info/address/13wVc8gyoBSeTGmc7Abz3xtJ5QYRjWenTC). Looks like davout and co. were doing some fancy accounting prior to the "hack".

Second, take a look again at the first transaction taking place in this weird wallet when InstaWallet and Bitcoin-Central owned by Paymium had yet to reunited BTC's with their former owners: https://blockchain.info/tx/2b286901c3876b9ac0a537e1915194bc6759850c2e05448cfd21fc31937e2601



Note the 1,089.30685265 BTC transfer from https://blockchain.info/address/1LgR2RL46U8icmxkx3PzY2qS98fc8YAXKb. That's damn near the 1,132 BTC that InstaWallet is so kind in keeping warm for me. They're the bestest!

Finally, more info on the 1MsmThtteKPu6fWxwn2SMDEnmJex3vKSBk wallet:


I contend that the time became ripe to shut the InstaWallet bitch down via a "hack" during the time davout announced on this forum that he was going to be outta pocket for a few days, but not returning till near a month later. I further contend that davout eyed my bitcoins, now sitting in one of his bitcoin wallets, as an easy take.

This is davout's wallet: https://blockchain.info/address/16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk. It obtained exactly 1,029.24869663 via this tx: https://blockchain.info/tx/63718e56cfe440e3e9005379505f70790dace8b7d5151502b90c376e02b91bbb.

Sans payments from theymos acting as staff on this forum, davout had no source of income during the downtime of InstaWallet and Bitcoin-Central.

Paymium received a VC from Gilitt to a tune of $400K USD, of which was used to fund 4 failed businesses and Bitcoin-Central that's an exchange serving the European theatre with a limited customer base.

Hope the above adds to your story. BTW, a bigger story consists of a known paedo- running to fill a vacant board seat on The Bitcoin Foundation. Do you have the balls to call Brock Pierce out, or you, too, will opt to give him a free ride (seriously, no pun intended, opting to not change the wording after I penned it).

At least humor me and watch the video: http://web.archive.org/web/20060208124607/http://www.fuckedcompany.com/den/

~Bruno Kucinskas

The last time I visited the InstaWallet URL acting as the wallet depicting the wallet address was March 26/27/28. What I saw was the wallet address with a 0 balance with the same at blockchain.info because davout said that that's how InstaWallet works, thus had no concern since I was already rest assured such was done for security reasons or whatever. I did not copy & paste the last wallet address but done so with the previous addresses prior to moving them.

The files were on my old Toshiba laptop of which I no longer have, tossing it, moreover, burning it with a pile of leaves/brush/limbs behind the house. First, the monitor went out on it, of which I connected an old monitor to it to retrieve the URLs, some images I needed at the time, Mt Gox dump file, of all things, onto a thumb drive (first time I've even used such, purchased from Walmart for said occasion). The next time I turned on the laptop, the fan wasn't working (I believe) and it got hot and shut itself down. No matter what I tried, I couldn't revive it. The only major lost were pics and videos of my dad when we took our yearly fishing trips to Iron River, WI. It was seven years old with Vista OS.

My hope was that davout of IW would use my IP to somehow... What the fuck am I thinking!

What the fuck am I missing here? I, too, don't see the 1,000 BTC or the 132 BTC transactions because InstaWallet didn't include the bitcon wallet IDs of either one of them when they came back online. That's what I've been complaining about from day one but was put on ignore.

We were all instructed to file the information we had, and that included missing wallet IDs, of which I did for all three claims at the earliest possible time. davout claimed that he couldn't locate any of the claims, of which I say is impossible unless all the data was expunged.

Remember, I had grave concerns prior to the "hack" that was not caused by me ONLY having $83 USD (valued at the time) on account when I expressed said concerns to davount mid-March of last year, prior to him deciding to take a holiday during the time frame when the "hack" occurred.

My fears were put to rest with some mumble-jumble that satisfied me after another Bitcoiner concurred all was well, so I went back to the BFL thread(s) to bring awareness of my latest findings so that fellow bitcoiners don't get taken while my bitcoins, assumed safe, were in the process of being confiscated, now residing in one of davout's bitcoin wallets.

I still do not see any 1000 BItcoin transactions. I can't understand why you can not show it to us.

Ah well, Good luck with your claim

See if this post sheds any light on the subject: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3586909

Ok great. But where is the transactions of you sending the large amounts of bitcoins ?
In one of the threads this davout character is asking you the same thing. Where are the transactions in the blockchain ?

The following are the two URLs I was able to use prior to the "hack":

https://www.instawallet.org/w/rL2DhMWW9tDvs24oFwtiq99zhh7A3ii6bg
https://www.instawallet.org/w/gZh1afVVl5aAtjNwXo0BiYChTxjwln33ab

The following is the one that was returned to me:

https://www.instawallet.org/w/sMceOus2wYrDVAHxA5BssBwB7kgDqC9r4Q (no idea who placed the other two claims on this wallet, but am assuming davout did such to delay my attempts as long as possible)

All three would have had the same IP addresses attached to them of which davout was well aware prior to the "hack", then he disappeared for almost four weeks, returning to this forum on April 18, 2013.

I made it clear from the very beginning on the IW claims thread that the wallet addresses were no longer included in the generated pages. At the first opportunity I was able to do such, I filled out three claims on the forms provided at the time. Even though I never received an email, I heeded the warnings expressed by Boussac, et al. to not resubmit multiple claims, so I didn't do such till Oct/Nov/Dec of last year. Via email, davout claimed that no claims were on file, thus denying my claims, but later changed his tune when he realized that I had overwhelming proof of the smaller claim, for he personally commented on that particular wallet just prior to the "hack".

Sans money laundering and thief, there is no way in hell davout could have amassed 1,384.35491053 BTC as seen here https://blockchain.info/address/16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk, especially when he was crying like a baby on this forum because he was conducting the InstaWallet investigation and claims process sans pay.

My grave concerns about InstaWallet prior to the hack was laid to rest by staff member davout, albeit I had intentions of moving my bitcoins from said site, but was delayed due to spending my time with posting about BFL, then on that betsofbitcoin April fools bet. When I finally became aware of the IW "hack", I became one of the loudest voices due to my potential lost, of which Boussac was kind enough to put me immediately on ignore.

Quote from: Boussac on April 11, 2013, 05:22:04 PM

Quote from: steelboy on April 11, 2013, 05:10:31 PM

Quote from: Boussac on April 11, 2013, 05:00:16 PM

I personnally tested my urls on the claim form and it worked.
If you are getting a 404 error it could be that your url is made up.
All instawallet urls that have received transactions are in the database.

Boussac (Pierre) you come back after ignoring questions and the first thing you say to a guy who has lost a shedload if coins is that maybe his URL is made up.

Way to go mate. Good job.

I am not ignoring questions steelboy I am ignoring people who threaten or insult me here or via PM (they are going on my ignore list).

There were three millions wallets created on instawallet.org: how could I possibly answer to everyone ?
The reason we set up an online claim process is precisely because we cannot deal with each and every user by email, post or PM.
Had I started using other means than an online form, I would have been swamped.

I will nonetheless make sure their claims are processed fairly if they come up with a valid url.

May be I did come across it before, because I recall that 3M figure I sometimes refer to. There also was a 21K funded wallets reference, of which less than a 1K have been returned to date.

I posted the quote above to show only one example of how Boussac uses the ignore option, a feat not available much to davout considering that he's staff, thus making Boussac the logical choice to start and maintain the InstaWallet claims thread that he has so kindly locked now.

1132 stolen ??
I have read through a few threads now. OP can't prove he sent

If you can't prove you sent it, you do not have much of a case.
How can you not be able to show where you sent it from ?

I have sent 10,000 transactions and I can tell you where they all came from. If I had sent 1000+ I especially would be able  to verify it. Even if you used a online wallet or exchange, their should be some record?
Unless of course that exchange or site closed down ?

PG,

As in the other thread I asked: How did you fund the account?

Do you have an address(es) you sent the coins from?

When first deposited 1,132 BTC on InstaWallet: ~$13 USD/BTC equates to $14,716 USD.

When stolen: ~$116 USD/BTC equates to $131,312 USD.

At ATH: ~$1,300 USD/BTC equates to $1,471,600 USD.

Currently: $455.9900 USD/BTC equates to $516,180.68

What davout amassed AFTER the InstaWallet "hack" sans any known source of income: 1,384.35491053 BTC as can be seen here: https://blockchain.info/address/16d1yGrEDqSY1xhCnAUWrkahGY2mkWdAYk

Its disgusting to steal someones hard earned money this way I hope the scammers suffer for the rest of there lives. In case there is anything I can do to help do contact me sorry for your loss thats a really really big amount