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January 01, 2013, 01:00:55 PM
#24
But I think it's only right to ask people to think before creating another bitcoin clone that adds nothing new whatsoever. We certainly don't need any more cynical get rich quick schemes. We have had quite enough of those already.



Quote from: luke-jr
Bitcoin will already have hurdles to grow adoption. There is no reason to create more by introducing competing crypto-currencies.

...

There are a number of flaws with Bitcoin that cannot be corrected without a "hard fork". Any serious alt chain should at least attempt to address these concerns and issues.

I really dislike the tone of the quoted text. Obviously there are reasons to compete, otherwise people wouldn't have started alt coins. Submitting patches to Bitcoin isn't a realistic process to test changes (e.g. Proof of Stake), because the change process in the Bitcoin protocol is painfully slow / halted. Some features might never get included, and if the authors think they are positive, an alt chain is the best way to go - not just a testnet alt chain (which is welcome as a precursor step), but an actual live alt coin.

I completely agree with Luke-Jr being completely biased towards Bitcoin. He's implying that Bitcoin must be perfect before anyone attempts to make another chain, but if those problems can't be solved then so be it, let the other's create their new coin. This is just like gay marriage, and Luke-Jr is some extreme conservative. Like really, who gives a fuck whether the gays marry each other(creating other coins), not affecting you in any way... oh wait... you might be afraid that this new coin might be better than your previous shit coin that you couldn't fix. Gaise pls!


I don't like his changes, and find them anti-competitive towards new alt currencies. I prefer to leave the choice up to the creators of the currencies & the market. I tried reverting his edit multiple times, but he is stubborn.

Thoughts?

The text Luke-jr added is entirely reasonable. The Wiki should present all reasonable sides to the story, yet you appear to be trying to bias it to your viewpoint alone.

If you tried to revert his change multiple times, and he added the same edits multiple times then you are both misbehaving. A neutral third party should resolve the situation.


We all know that Luke is being biased towards Bitcoin. What he puts degrades alternate coins, and tries to glamorize Bitcoin like as if it's the best currency in the world with no flaws. Why doesn't he try to fix those problems before he gets more people to use Bitcoin? Because he doesn't know how! A neutral party? No such thing, most of the people here are strict Bitcoin fanatics, or a decent reasonable person from the alternate chains.
legendary
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Ron Gross
January 01, 2013, 11:52:08 AM
#23
But I think it's only right to ask people to think before creating another bitcoin clone that adds nothing new whatsoever. We certainly don't need any more cynical get rich quick schemes. We have had quite enough of those already.



Quote from: luke-jr
Bitcoin will already have hurdles to grow adoption. There is no reason to create more by introducing competing crypto-currencies.

...

There are a number of flaws with Bitcoin that cannot be corrected without a "hard fork". Any serious alt chain should at least attempt to address these concerns and issues.

I really dislike the tone of the quoted text. Obviously there are reasons to compete, otherwise people wouldn't have started alt coins. Submitting patches to Bitcoin isn't a realistic process to test changes (e.g. Proof of Stake), because the change process in the Bitcoin protocol is painfully slow / halted. Some features might never get included, and if the authors think they are positive, an alt chain is the best way to go - not just a testnet alt chain (which is welcome as a precursor step), but an actual live alt coin.
sd
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January 01, 2013, 11:41:04 AM
#22
I asked him to discuss it, he just reverted my edit without any discussion.
The text is not reasonable, it is too strict in favor of bitcoin and against alts. None of the alts today qualify to this strict standard.
Luek-jr is trying to dictate one specific line of development of bitcoin forks.

Any suggestions of a neutral third party? Poll?

I really don't like wasting my time in wiki edit wars. My guess is even if a poll was published and rejected luke-jr's edit, he would not abide by the result of the poll.

There should be administrators, moderators, or whatever to act as neutral parties. A pool here in the alt currencies board would be far from neutral.

It's an unresolvable problem with publicly editable wiki's that people won't agree and it's made wikipedia a bureaucratic nightmare to edit.


But I think it's only right to ask people to think before creating another bitcoin clone that adds nothing new whatsoever. We certainly don't need any more cynical get rich quick schemes. We have had quite enough of those already.
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LitecoinTalk
January 01, 2013, 11:40:53 AM
#21
if i remember rightly luke-jr made his own alt coin a few months ago, i think it was BBQ coin or something. it didnt catch on which is why i think that he now hates alt coins like litecoin because they have succeeded where he failed.

if an altcoin had no benefits or competition, there would be no reason for him to get so emotional about it. i dont get emotional of the threat that monopoly money will become mainstream. because they have no value or demand beyond the game, so i dont care about it.

luke Jr's hatred of litecoin just proves one thing, it has value and is a competitor. He is afraid of its success
no, BBQ was a kids joke, Luke-Jr attacked it with his pool Eligius.

I'm not a supporter of Like-Jr, but no, it wasn't him that attacked and closed BBQ, And either was it just kids that created BBQ, BBQ have nothing to do with Luke.
legendary
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Ron Gross
January 01, 2013, 09:06:02 AM
#20

I don't like his changes, and find them anti-competitive towards new alt currencies. I prefer to leave the choice up to the creators of the currencies & the market. I tried reverting his edit multiple times, but he is stubborn.

Thoughts?

The text Luke-jr added is entirely reasonable. The Wiki should present all reasonable sides to the story, yet you appear to be trying to bias it to your viewpoint alone.

If you tried to revert his change multiple times, and he added the same edits multiple times then you are both misbehaving. A neutral third party should resolve the situation.



I asked him to discuss it, he just reverted my edit without any discussion.
The text is not reasonable, it is too strict in favor of bitcoin and against alts. None of the alts today qualify to this strict standard.
Luek-jr is trying to dictate one specific line of development of bitcoin forks.

Any suggestions of a neutral third party? Poll?

I really don't like wasting my time in wiki edit wars. My guess is even if a poll was published and rejected luke-jr's edit, he would not abide by the result of the poll.
sd
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January 01, 2013, 08:29:31 AM
#19

I don't like his changes, and find them anti-competitive towards new alt currencies. I prefer to leave the choice up to the creators of the currencies & the market. I tried reverting his edit multiple times, but he is stubborn.

Thoughts?

The text Luke-jr added is entirely reasonable. The Wiki should present all reasonable sides to the story, yet you appear to be trying to bias it to your viewpoint alone.

If you tried to revert his change multiple times, and he added the same edits multiple times then you are both misbehaving. A neutral third party should resolve the situation.
legendary
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/dev/null
December 31, 2012, 03:57:47 AM
#18
Where is the guy anyway? He should have had time by now to explain himself.
wont happen, religion fanatics dont have balls Wink all u get "ur lieing"
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
December 31, 2012, 03:30:14 AM
#17
That's a pretty harsh indictment ckolivas. Why do you not like luke-jr so much?
There are hundreds of pages of forum entries outlining his behaviour, not just to me, but to the whole bitcoin community at large. Do you really need me to elaborate?

Here's a vague reminder that didn't even involve me:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-open-source-projects-survive-poisonous-people-62037
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
December 31, 2012, 02:59:20 AM
#16
Luke-Jr has a wikipedia page.
It will explain to you why many people dislike him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_complex
sr. member
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December 30, 2012, 10:43:54 PM
#15
That's a pretty harsh indictment ckolivas. Why do you not like luke-jr so much?
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
December 30, 2012, 10:35:55 PM
#14
Where is the guy anyway? He should have had time by now to explain himself.
I can save you the trouble of waiting for him to answer. Whenever there's a valid objection to his actions or claims his response is "it's not true" and/or "you're just trolling", and whenever there's a valid question asked of him where he doesn't like the answer, he never responds since he never says he's wrong. If you say something that might involve him being shown to be a liar, he gets a mod to delete your post.
legendary
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December 30, 2012, 10:06:47 PM
#13
Where is the guy anyway? He should have had time by now to explain himself.
sr. member
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December 30, 2012, 10:02:37 PM
#12


hey im on my way to luke house.....
legendary
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/dev/null
December 30, 2012, 06:21:04 PM
#11
if i remember rightly luke-jr made his own alt coin a few months ago, i think it was BBQ coin or something. it didnt catch on which is why i think that he now hates alt coins like litecoin because they have succeeded where he failed.

if an altcoin had no benefits or competition, there would be no reason for him to get so emotional about it. i dont get emotional of the threat that monopoly money will become mainstream. because they have no value or demand beyond the game, so i dont care about it.

luke Jr's hatred of litecoin just proves one thing, it has value and is a competitor. He is afraid of its success
no, BBQ was a kids joke, Luke-Jr attacked it with his pool Eligius.
legendary
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December 30, 2012, 06:16:40 PM
#10
if i remember rightly luke-jr made his own alt coin a few months ago, i think it was BBQ coin or something. it didnt catch on which is why i think that he now hates alt coins like litecoin because they have succeeded where he failed.

if an altcoin had no benefits or competition, there would be no reason for him to get so emotional about it. i dont get emotional of the threat that monopoly money will become mainstream. because they have no value or demand beyond the game, so i dont care about it.

luke Jr's hatred of litecoin just proves one thing, it has value and is a competitor. He is afraid of its success
legendary
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/dev/null
December 30, 2012, 05:54:39 PM
#9
LTC is a choice. Luke-jr obviously doesn't want people to have a secondary choice. He is a large investor obviously so it is once again about MONEY.

Fucking asshole lol
first time i have to say ur right!

Luke-Jr hates altcoins, hes a religion fanatic who trys to enforce stuff on others. unfortunately the core devs/team dont care about that, if it would be the community to decide Luke-Jr would have been banned already long ago.
at the time of bip 17/22 the devs were talking about removing him due to his disruptive influence - all seems to have settled down and be buddy buddy now....
Luke is a well known wiki vandal - he has put his opinions and heavily edited the Bitcoin wikis Litecoin page - part of the reason the Litecoin wiki was created

I have also asked him why he put scrypt support in his mining software as he is so opposed to alt-chains - he refused to answer my question (as usual)
ah, good to see! there is still hope.
vip
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December 30, 2012, 05:53:56 PM
#8
LTC is a choice. Luke-jr obviously doesn't want people to have a secondary choice. He is a large investor obviously so it is once again about MONEY.

Fucking asshole lol
first time i have to say ur right!

Luke-Jr hates altcoins, hes a religion fanatic who trys to enforce stuff on others. unfortunately the core devs/team dont care about that, if it would be the community to decide Luke-Jr would have been banned already long ago.
at the time of bip 17/22 the devs were talking about removing him due to his disruptive influence - all seems to have settled down and be buddy buddy now....
Luke is a well known wiki vandal - he has put his opinions and heavily edited the Bitcoin wikis Litecoin page - part of the reason the Litecoin wiki was created

I have also asked him why he put scrypt support in his mining software as he is so opposed to alt-chains - he refused to answer my question (as usual)
legendary
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/dev/null
December 30, 2012, 05:53:40 PM
#7
when hes about to die he understands what a piece of shit he is and feel really sad, worth it altough!
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
December 30, 2012, 05:49:33 PM
#6
Don't forget his ultimate hypocrisy. He hates alt-coins yet when I wrote the scrypt support for cgminer, he still pulled the scrypt code into his hostile fork of my code since he couldn't stand not having a feature that cgminer has.
legendary
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/dev/null
December 30, 2012, 05:35:57 PM
#5
LTC is a choice. Luke-jr obviously doesn't want people to have a secondary choice. He is a large investor obviously so it is once again about MONEY.

Fucking asshole lol
first time i have to say ur right!

Luke-Jr hates altcoins, hes a religion fanatic who trys to enforce stuff on others. unfortunately the core devs/team dont care about that, if it would be the community to decide Luke-Jr would have been banned already long ago.
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