Topic: My proposal to forum administration - page 3. (Read 2429 times)

Let's correct that: You have come up with a suggestion like that because of a complaint. A complaint regarding your post diminished by 64 hence you have suggested a proposal to "disable deleting old thread". Why? As you have reasoned: since this could negatively affect people who are enrolled in sig campaigns and and thus this possibility can be abused by mods or whoever is allowed to delete the threads

And no I didn't mention anything minor. And in this economy, signature campaigns have a huge part. I know that "many a little makes a mickle" and you are correct.

If you have any problem with the staffs, mods, or admins here then I'll stay out of it. Though I am not saying it doesn't concern me or anyone in any way.

Your bottom line is: to limit what mods can do since it might be abused and will greatly affect Bitcoin economy i.e. particularly signature campaigns.

Just correct anything because it is based on how I understand you. No offense in any of those I have written.

But remember: the forum doesn't owe anything in this economy. EDIT: It is not the real purpose of the forum so to put in a simpler way, the forum doesn't concern itself with this economy  as long as it functions as to what it should be because if not then the forum would intervene and if worst comes to worst then the forum might throw away this economy (a possibility) but still doing its best for the forum itself and this economy would coexist.

P.S. Ok. You have clarified that the economy is within the argument that's because you have shed light the intention behind this suggestion. So this really is about signature campaigns and not to fill your curiousity as to "why?". I get it now.

P.P.S. You know you have made a good argument in your unedited post like the one I'd quoted. I don't know how my wife was included in the argument (the edited one). I don't have a wife btw.

It is not me who is "going out of track"

First, it was not me who started claiming that the forum doesn't owe anything to anyone (or the opposite), so don't come up to me with this question. Talk to those who brought up this issue in the first place (preferably elsewhere). As I already said, forum is made up of users (this is what the word itself means, "a square where people meet to discuss business and political matters"), thus the whole question is utterly meaningless. Just in case, how long ago did you stop beating your wife? Further, I didn't start this thread to complain (though it didn't feel quite right to lose over 60 posts overnight), I came up with a specific proposal to disable deleting old threads since this could negatively affect people who are enrolled in sig campaigns (apart from it being just wrong on its own), and thus this possibility can be abused by mods or whoever is allowed to delete the threads. We have already seen how a mod got kicked out for blackmailing, so don't think of that as something being unlikely or impossible. And I think I have made it pretty clear why this can have negative consequences if we assume that Bitcointalk actually serves to promote Bitcoin, and this has everything to do with the Bitcoin economy that appeared here. If you think that it is a minor thing, think again since "many a little makes a mickle" and "a road of thousand miles is made up of small steps"

You are going out of track. The argument is not on economy or whatever. It is about what the forum owes.

And I am not saying the economy within the forum is nothing like nothing of no value or whatever. It is not just the signature campaign is playing the role in this but all the trades between the users by the use of this forum. Anyway, let's not talk about that much here since it is not the major thing here (I mean in this thread or the topic at hand).

I'll just quote a part of my post:

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Honestly, I though that this complaint is not about regarding the signature campaign or whatever but rather to answer the question "why?". But I want to still believe that it is not.

P.S. "BAN ALL SIG CAMPAIGNS" thread

I think it is rather you who don't fully understand what it is about

And it's a pity if the forum administration doesn't understand or care about it either. You would obviously say that it is about Bitcoin discussion and that's all. If that is really all, why not then disable all signatures and get done with that? Would that be good for Bitcoin? If this forum is about making Bitcoin more popular, then you can't possibly say that it will do any good. But if Bitcointalk is in fact about that after all, then this economy is likely the best it can do in that direction. Guess who is actually blind here? Without this economy, the forum would quickly turn into yet another such forum, though created by Satoshi himself. But other than that, it wouldn't have any particular competitive edge. It is this economy that makes it unique, and this economy (at least, to me) is worth a lot more than empty talks (for the most part) which the forum would quickly come down to without it. It is not about duties or obligations, or anything to that tune, it is more about simple common sense of not losing what you have managed to attain. In practice, it means thinking in advance about how your actions are going to affect this whole thing

When I first view this thread, I thought the OP was just curious why his post count is diminished by 64 posts and not related to any signature campaign.

Curiousity about what trashy post did he did or what trashy topic he has replied on.

Though it is true that the forum owes to its members the contribution of quality and constructive posts made but regarding this economy you are talking about then forum doesn't owes you or anyone that. You seem to mistakingly define what this forum is all about!

Try to know what this forum is all about. Seems blinded by a lot of campaigns running here and there.

- There are a few rare mod/admin actions which change your real number of posts but neglect to update your post count.
- Errors can occur which can cause it to drift from the real value.
- If your account is fairly old, then previous post-count recounts will have counted your MOVED: redirection topics, even though these are not counted when you make them. I fixed it this time so that these topics are not counted, undoing the previous erroneous recounts.

I think I have seen my post count shrink with 6 posts, which isn't a big deal for me at all, but I was wondering, how does one end up with an inaccurate post count?

What would change is that you'd never even realize your posts got deleted.   The administration of this forum has no duty to the economy of which you speak,  and therefore shouldn't give a shit about lost earnings resulting from deleted posts.   Only the campaigners themselves care about that and the majority don't give two shits about the health of this forum.

People shouldn't be obsessive about post counts...

I did a global recount of user posts starting yesterday. Your post count had been inaccurate.

This doesn't change anything

What would it change if I weren't enrolled in a signature campaign? Would it take anything from my argument? I guess I could have said absolutely the same words. Nevertheless, even if we completely discard this point, the forum has become a small Bitcoin economy in and of itself, this is the reality, and you have to face it and deal with that appropriately. Deleting old threads negatively affects this economy, and you have to admit it, so you can't get away with it by claiming that it is just me complaining or being paid for posting is a privilege or a bonus (remember, karma is a bitch). Was that you?

No, it doesn't have anything to do with my point at all and it seems you don't know what the forum is about. The forum is to discuss bitcoin. The fact that you can get paid to do so is a privilege and a bonus you should be grateful for, but the forum doesn't owe you a living. You're complaining about something petty because you're upset that you've lost out on a few dollars and that's all this is about.

I moved your post here since replying where it originated would not be a proper place for my reply


The campaign certainly doesn't have anything to do with this issue

And I think I have already made it pretty clear (that's basically the reason why I created this thread), but I can't agree with your point that "forum doesn't owe you anything for that". As it seems to me, you don't fully understand what this forum (or just any such forum) is essentially about (despite you being a global moderator). The forum is made up of you, me, and other posters (this is what the word itself means), so it can't possibly be the way you look at it, as if it owed nothing to its members (read forum owes everything to its members). Forum members are what a forum consists of, and that cannot be ignored. Hope this helps better understand my point


Why should old threads get deleted at all (apart from technical issues)?

My proposal is to have some kind of a jury consisting of at least 2-3 different people who will have the authority to can completely or restore old threads. I think theymos is too busy to spend any time on this thing. So if 2-3 different admins and or global mods agree that a particular thread should be canned, then it should be. If there is no mutual agreement then the deleted thread gets put back up where it was. On first sight all this idea looks like a hella lot of additional work to drudge through but I don't think locking down old threads automatically after a period of time has passed from being deleted is a good idea either because not everything written is worth reading later on so if there is outright crap that thread ought to be deleted.

So tl:dr we need some kind a jury of a couple of admins/mods who will agree or disagree with the deletion of old threads.

Have you visited Primedice forum? There is a board which when you post there, it doesn't count and it's for fun so I guess that would be nice if it is implemented here. Looking forward to it. Maybe you can use it as a reference?


Lol. Pork or beef? Just kidding. Know who you are accusing with. You can't just judge the book by its cover. Not all who have signature ad means doing like what others are.

I think all staff can delete or trashcan a thread as long as it is in their jurisdiction so to speak. IE a patroller can only delete or trashcan a thread created by a newbie and a local only mod can only delete/trashcan a thread in their local board.

I know the Wall observer thread is only locked but theymos mentioned creating a board that didn't contribute to post count because of that thread and I thought he may have tested something out with it.

How many moderators are allowed to delete threads?

Just in case, I don't remember that I've been ever posting in the Wall observer thread if you refer to this thread. Anyway, it is locked, not deleted. Is it possible to track a deleted thread by the date when it was deleted? Though if you say that a thread can be deleted without a trace, then it is even stranger. Okay, let's wait for theymos' word (hope he will look into this issue)


I ask you to refrain from posting in this thread. The only one spamming here is you

I check on the post who replied my post, that's not accurate and out of dated 
That's not easy for this forum to maintain so many years.

So we can use notepad to noted the things we want rather than check back old thread...
the campaign signature usage for forum let the owner decide if the stat is over .

Oh great. Now we get even more spam from the campaigners trying to meat their quota to cover the loss!

It has to be a different thread since I always avoid posting in self moderated threads. I once lost a huge load of posts due to some one in the press section that was kicked from the campaign he was participating in, and thus didn't get paid, and instantly found it necessary to delete all posts made in his threads by other users.

I appreciate the effort done to track down the thread that got trashed, I think we'll need to have some patience to see what theymos has to say.