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vip
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January 01, 2016, 05:34:05 AM
#24
im not set on anything.. i thought we were just pushing idea's to the OP, who will hopefully have some funds after an audit, to implement.

but personally. coinsortium sounds better. but i just wanted to make a quick logo to say its a consortium not a foundation

Word! Let's raise the $1,500 needed to purchase coinsortium.com using master-P as escrow.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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December 31, 2015, 09:15:08 PM
#23
im not set on anything.. i thought we were just pushing idea's to the OP, who will hopefully have some funds after an audit, to implement.

but personally. coinsortium sounds better. but i just wanted to make a quick logo to say its a consortium not a foundation
vip
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Merit: 1145
December 31, 2015, 09:03:44 PM
#22
my 5 minute idea in visual form

description of above
the main post of topic has its voting linked in the subcategory. and also the links for things like github, irc, litehouse (which only show if the author adds links)
below the authors post is the sub-discussion area where people can vote up and down the sub comments.



description of above
the links in the list make the built in player play the video selected.
(yea i havnt thought through how to display the links in a more user friendly way.. but you can always get idea's from how vimeo, youtube or other place displays links


description of above
kind of self explanatory

yes it's ugly.. but all it takes is some alternative hybrid of a forum to let people come together and link idea's and help people get all the information they need

coinsortium.org is available unless you're set on creating an organization with 'con' in it. Just saying.
legendary
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December 31, 2015, 08:27:36 PM
#21
my 5 minute idea in visual form

description of above
the main post of topic has its voting linked in the subcategory. and also the links for things like github, irc, litehouse (which only show if the author adds links)
below the authors post is the sub-discussion area where people can vote up and down the sub comments.



description of above
the links in the list make the built in player play the video selected.
(yea i havnt thought through how to display the links in a more user friendly way.. but you can always get idea's from how vimeo, youtube or other place displays links


description of above
kind of self explanatory

yes it's ugly.. but all it takes is some alternative hybrid of a forum to let people come together and link idea's and help people get all the information they need
vip
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1145
December 31, 2015, 07:53:57 PM
#20

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a forum-esq platform. where it links businesses, programmers, idea's together

Three questions:

  • 1) Where are the businesses and programmers going to be sourced from?
  • 2) Define ideas more concretely. It's a very vague term.
  • 3) Do you have an example platform in mind already? Something like Bitcointalk or more like stackexchange or Quora? Would we need to build this from the ground up or is there something we could use?

 
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where people can make crowdfunding proposals

So there is a fundraising component? What do you have in mind? Something like debating the merit of an idea or the actual mechanics of sourcing funds? Is this a full funding stack or is a line drawn somewhere?

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or labour sourcing proposals,

I assume there is an implicit notion of funding the labor via some new, creative and cool means?

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and also includes the tutorial, development courses and howto guides all in one place.... without the trolling and sig-campaigns this forum is bloating with.

An education component is extremely welcome and something I have argued for three years. MOOCs, youtube videos and tutorials are high impact and low cost to make. Meetup groups make excellent distribution and curation engines.

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where each 'topic' has a IRC chatlink so people can informally discuss it and only use the forum posts for more official information.

So there is a hierarchy of information flow. A topic and then a flow of conversation about the topic. I suppose it's like a stackexchange model where one has a question and then there are answers (your forum post idea) and then some connection to a chat service where discussions are had around the topic that won't necessarily be preserved.

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imagine it like combining this forum, with lighthouse(kickstarter) with each topic having an IRC chatroom.. where the forum topics and categories are organised and more professional..

So you're talking about a more effective platform to manage a decentralized community, vet their ideas and get good ones funded. I'd also love to see a memory in a sense of ideas that have been explored and tried. This notion extends before the founding of Bitcoin. Many of the cipherpunk ideas from the 80s are being revisited with our new technology and still have great merit. It's evident when you look at the Nakamoto Institute's reading list.

I really like what you're on to and its an example of what happens when you say ok let's try to have a meaningful discussion about solving problems instead of just complaining about them. So say you wanted to do this, what would be the next step?

well my idea is just in its infantsy..and just an idea at that.. but it would be a hybrid bringing a forum-esq, youtube-esq, github repository, litehouse, irc, even googledocs all into one platform.

maybe not github/docs within the platform, but atleast the ability to link it in a manner that is standardized so that people are not searching for hours. as its part of each proposal.

i cant exactly imagine the final design right now.. but if all the tools are in one place and membership is free, where people only pay for projects they want to see or be part of.. then it would be more about having the platform there to let it grow naturally by how the users interact, rather than some governing system limiting real world actions by having meetings just once a month or limiting to only a few proposals to vote on..

leaving it open to anyone who wants to do anything. where people can request help or funding or even just idea's, and yes even having the reddit/stack exchange/quora upvote-downvote thing where people can show free appreciation for certain topics, thus keeping the most valid stuff ontop.

EG say 3 people propose to make a conference. each laying out the cost of hiring the hall, cost to cover speakers travel/hotel and suggestions as to how the profits from tickets will be split.

people can pay a litehouse (crowdfund) to help fund it if they chose to, but also they can upvote for free the most desireable conference. that way the most popular locations sit at the top of the list.

ofcourse anyone wanting to get funding will need to be transparent about who they are and the funds may even need to be released in phases as proof of progress is shown..

again still imagining it.. but it would need to be user-centric rather then chairman governed.


Word!
vip
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1145
December 31, 2015, 07:28:17 PM
#19
Bruno you do bring up a very valid point about execution and accountability. These skills are among the most lacking in the space.

Yep! My IQ went up three points after I started giving myself eggnog enemas on an hourly basis.

Back on topic, I nominate Marshall Long to be any new entity its President since he's been mining bitcoins since 2009, and Leroy Fodor, also mining since 2009, as Treasurer since his StakeMiners Ponzi accounting is bar none, perhaps due to him earning his B.B.A. from Ohio University in Athens, Ohio, later owning, then selling his toilet cleaning business in the Carolinas, and selling off his Forex practice portfolio to move to the Philippines where he owned the largest bitcoin mining farm powered by a west-facing solar array on a hot tin roof surrounded on three sides by coconut trees. Marshall Long currently has the 4th largest mining farm in all of North America, thus he'll probably forgo a salary for being President just like he opted to not get paid while acting as Cryptsy's CTO while introducing a clone of the exchange to China even though Paul Vernon denies such to be the case.

I further suggest that Leo Iruke (FinalHash; Marshall Long's partner) be lead counsel for the new foundation.
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4788
December 31, 2015, 06:51:39 PM
#18

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a forum-esq platform. where it links businesses, programmers, idea's together

Three questions:

  • 1) Where are the businesses and programmers going to be sourced from?
  • 2) Define ideas more concretely. It's a very vague term.
  • 3) Do you have an example platform in mind already? Something like Bitcointalk or more like stackexchange or Quora? Would we need to build this from the ground up or is there something we could use?

 
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where people can make crowdfunding proposals

So there is a fundraising component? What do you have in mind? Something like debating the merit of an idea or the actual mechanics of sourcing funds? Is this a full funding stack or is a line drawn somewhere?

Quote
or labour sourcing proposals,

I assume there is an implicit notion of funding the labor via some new, creative and cool means?

Quote
and also includes the tutorial, development courses and howto guides all in one place.... without the trolling and sig-campaigns this forum is bloating with.

An education component is extremely welcome and something I have argued for three years. MOOCs, youtube videos and tutorials are high impact and low cost to make. Meetup groups make excellent distribution and curation engines.

Quote
where each 'topic' has a IRC chatlink so people can informally discuss it and only use the forum posts for more official information.

So there is a hierarchy of information flow. A topic and then a flow of conversation about the topic. I suppose it's like a stackexchange model where one has a question and then there are answers (your forum post idea) and then some connection to a chat service where discussions are had around the topic that won't necessarily be preserved.

Quote
imagine it like combining this forum, with lighthouse(kickstarter) with each topic having an IRC chatroom.. where the forum topics and categories are organised and more professional..

So you're talking about a more effective platform to manage a decentralized community, vet their ideas and get good ones funded. I'd also love to see a memory in a sense of ideas that have been explored and tried. This notion extends before the founding of Bitcoin. Many of the cipherpunk ideas from the 80s are being revisited with our new technology and still have great merit. It's evident when you look at the Nakamoto Institute's reading list.

I really like what you're on to and its an example of what happens when you say ok let's try to have a meaningful discussion about solving problems instead of just complaining about them. So say you wanted to do this, what would be the next step?

well my idea is just in its infantsy..and just an idea at that.. but it would be a hybrid bringing a forum-esq, youtube-esq, github repository, litehouse, irc, even googledocs all into one platform.

maybe not github/docs within the platform, but atleast the ability to link it in a manner that is standardized so that people are not searching for hours. as its part of each proposal.

i cant exactly imagine the final design right now.. but if all the tools are in one place and membership is free, where people only pay for projects they want to see or be part of.. then it would be more about having the platform there to let it grow naturally by how the users interact, rather than some governing system limiting real world actions by having meetings just once a month or limiting to only a few proposals to vote on..

leaving it open to anyone who wants to do anything. where people can request help or funding or even just idea's, and yes even having the reddit/stack exchange/quora upvote-downvote thing where people can show free appreciation for certain topics, thus keeping the most valid stuff ontop.

EG say 3 people propose to make a conference. each laying out the cost of hiring the hall, cost to cover speakers travel/hotel and suggestions as to how the profits from tickets will be split.

people can pay a litehouse (crowdfund) to help fund it if they chose to, but also they can upvote for free the most desireable conference. that way the most popular locations sit at the top of the list.

ofcourse anyone wanting to get funding will need to be transparent about who they are and the funds may even need to be released in phases as proof of progress is shown..

again still imagining it.. but it would need to be user-centric rather then chairman governed.
legendary
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CEO of IOHK
December 31, 2015, 06:23:41 PM
#17
Bruno you do bring up a very valid point about execution and accountability. These skills are among the most lacking in the space.
vip
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December 31, 2015, 06:22:06 PM
#16
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3) Do you have an example platform in mind already? Something like Bitcointalk or more like stackexchange or Quora? Would we need to build this from the ground up or is there something we could use?

I'd say build it from the ground up. It should only cost about a million dollars if we use the same team who theymos hired to build this $1.5M BitcoinTalk forum we're currently enjoying. Perhaps, they can carryover some of this code to what's envisioned. (apologies if this post is delayed due to the forum going dark a third time this week)

/s
legendary
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CEO of IOHK
December 31, 2015, 05:55:04 PM
#15
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i agree the current conception of the foundation is not needed..

I think there is extremely strong consensus in the Bitcoin community about this opinion, which is why I stated after an audit the community ought to make proposals for a new form of Foundation.
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but imagine something completely different.

I always get excited when I read a sentence like this one.


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a forum-esq platform. where it links businesses, programmers, idea's together

Three questions:

  • 1) Where are the businesses and programmers going to be sourced from?
  • 2) Define ideas more concretely. It's a very vague term.
  • 3) Do you have an example platform in mind already? Something like Bitcointalk or more like stackexchange or Quora? Would we need to build this from the ground up or is there something we could use?

 
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where people can make crowdfunding proposals

So there is a fundraising component? What do you have in mind? Something like debating the merit of an idea or the actual mechanics of sourcing funds? Is this a full funding stack or is a line drawn somewhere?

Quote
or labour sourcing proposals,

I assume there is an implicit notion of funding the labor via some new, creative and cool means?

Quote
and also includes the tutorial, development courses and howto guides all in one place.... without the trolling and sig-campaigns this forum is bloating with.

An education component is extremely welcome and something I have argued for three years. MOOCs, youtube videos and tutorials are high impact and low cost to make. Meetup groups make excellent distribution and curation engines.

Quote
where each 'topic' has a IRC chatlink so people can informally discuss it and only use the forum posts for more official information.

So there is a hierarchy of information flow. A topic and then a flow of conversation about the topic. I suppose it's like a stackexchange model where one has a question and then there are answers (your forum post idea) and then some connection to a chat service where discussions are had around the topic that won't necessarily be preserved.

Quote
imagine it like combining this forum, with lighthouse(kickstarter) with each topic having an IRC chatroom.. where the forum topics and categories are organised and more professional..

So you're talking about a more effective platform to manage a decentralized community, vet their ideas and get good ones funded. I'd also love to see a memory in a sense of ideas that have been explored and tried. This notion extends before the founding of Bitcoin. Many of the cipherpunk ideas from the 80s are being revisited with our new technology and still have great merit. It's evident when you look at the Nakamoto Institute's reading list.

I really like what you're on to and its an example of what happens when you say ok let's try to have a meaningful discussion about solving problems instead of just complaining about them. So say you wanted to do this, what would be the next step?
legendary
Activity: 4410
Merit: 4788
December 31, 2015, 05:06:52 PM
#14
We don't need the Bitcoin Foundation.
The attempt of Brock Pierce to repare it's reputation is a waste of time imo
and will burn more money which can be used more reasonable.
I see absolutely no reason for this thing to exist.


i agree the current conception of the foundation is not needed..

but imagine something completely different.

a forum-esq platform. where it links businesses, programmers, idea's together, where people can make crowdfunding proposals, or labour sourcing proposals, and also includes the tutorial, development courses and howto guides all in one place.... without the trolling and sig-campaigns this forum is bloating with.

where each 'topic' has a IRC chatlink so people can informally discuss it and only use the forum posts for more official information.

imagine it like combining this forum, with lighthouse(kickstarter) with each topic having an IRC chatroom.. where the forum topics and categories are organised and more professional..
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1016
December 31, 2015, 04:29:09 PM
#13
We don't need the Bitcoin Foundation.
The attempt of Brock Pierce to repare it's reputation is a waste of time imo
and will burn more money which can be used more reasonable.
I see absolutely no reason for this thing to exist.
full member
Activity: 179
Merit: 250
December 31, 2015, 02:36:07 PM
#12
Too much damage has been done and with only about $12k left, its over. IMHO
vip
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Merit: 1145
December 31, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
#11
Bruce Fenton: Please donate to The Bitcoin Foundation and we promise to disclose our 2014 tax filing sometime in 2016 because of our full transparency thingy we have in place. Meanwhile, please stop spreading FUD about TBF being bankrupt. All that matters is that TBF has done great things for the Bitcoin community like doling out a million dollars to put on the Amsterdam conference. Speaking of, will the dude who stole my hookah kindly return it?


"I am Marshall Long, and I approve this post, Brothers. BTW, this is my hookah that I've owned since 2009 when me and two friends started mining bitcoins for fun and to protect the network."
legendary
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December 31, 2015, 01:30:51 AM
#10
i said years ago not to have a "foundation" but more of a "consortium".

but no.. some of them guys just wanted to look smart by having glorified titles, doing no work that benefits others..

then brock came on the scene and sucked them private keys dry, before moving to the UK to rinse and repeat it with BTC foundation 2.0
vip
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Merit: 1145
December 31, 2015, 01:20:43 AM
#9
last i checked bitcoin foundation moved to the UK in 2014.. and thus there wont be a 2014 american IRS record for them, just a 2013


https://bitcoinfoundation.org/transparency/



That makes sense. That also explains why TBF has had the above on their website since January of 2015, because they moved to Europe on January 1, 2014, thus don't have to file taxes any longer in the US.  Roll Eyes Now, if they were still based in the US on January 2, 2014, then they would have to file if their calendar year is based on the Gregorian calendar we mortals currently use.

I guess that also explains away why the following pages are no longer available to be viewed:

https://bitcoin4.bitcoinfoundation.org/static/2014/05/Bitcoin-2013-990-PDC.pdf

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/2012-990EZ-IRS-Bitcoin-Foundation-.pdf

From The Wayback Machine because The Bitcoin Foundation felt it prudent to remove the original from its website: http://web.archive.org/web/20150407230759/https://blog.bitcoinfoundation.org/the-facts-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/



The above being the final straw for me, thus SHUT THE MOTHERFUCKER DOWN!
legendary
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Merit: 4788
December 30, 2015, 11:39:15 PM
#8
last i checked bitcoin foundation moved to the UK in 2014.. and thus there wont be a 2014 american IRS record for them, just a 2013
Pab
legendary
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Merit: 1012
December 30, 2015, 11:33:32 PM
#7
Fortunetly bitcoin  foundation is  bankrupt.Thay have dump all his bitcoin.There is bitcoin embassy now in Europe.Thay are doing totally nothing..Propably thay have some grants from EU
vip
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December 30, 2015, 11:30:13 PM
#6
Wouldn't it be cool if you could vote on that agenda? It's a reasonable proposition and it should be debated. That's my overall point. Either make this possible or kill the thing. In terms of the audit, I feel it's the only way to save the org. It is impossible to continue operations with the past unexplored and potential criminal conduct floating around.

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/transparency/



I've been waiting for TBF to release their "transparent" 2014 tax filings since spring of this year, dedicating a thread to the endeavor: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/httpsbitcoinfoundationorgtransparency-1095310


I was just about to pen a new thread on the subject upon reading http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-30/the-final-days-of-the-bitcoin-foundation- but I see that Charles beat me to the punch. Nice blog post, BTW, Charles. And please, don't upload anybody more videos of you talking. I have a very hard time pulling away from such, just like when viewing Andreas Antonopoulos speaking.  Kiss Kiss Kiss
vip
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Merit: 1145
December 30, 2015, 11:29:42 PM
#5
firstly an audit is just throwing more money down the drain..

instead just grab all the bitcoin and fiat the foundation has and declare the past the past..

next... this is important.
1.stop with the lame circle jerking meetings that provide no fruits of labour.
by this i mean there is no point asking a group of 2 dozen people to get together, paying travel accomodation, food and catering. just to talk about something that can be done via skype

2. dont waste weeks or months giving people fancy name badges and titles.. just throw them a github, lighthouse, a skype username and tell them to go do something

3. paid memberships should be removed.. making it free to be a member.
then anyone can submit a project and have collaboration and support just by talking to each other
and if they want funding.. members can crowdsource them directly, (voting with bitcoin) that way the more votes they get then obviously the more bitcoin they get as its one in the same.
that way members know exactly where their funds are going to because they are the ones giving it (think lighthouse)

4. the foundation should be more of a directory, business listing, resource repository, which is the main go-to-place, not some 'Governor' making orders.. but where things happen and no actual need of 'board members'(office dwelling pen pushers).

Franky for pres!

tokeweed for vice!
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